He's been told that before, and he ignores it because it doesn't justify his selfishness. I put him on ignore, and so should everyone else.
New York Hospital to Pause Delivering Babies After Unvaccinated Workers Resign En Masse
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And you think they fully understand how much impact sugar has on heart disease yet? They kept blaming fat from meats for heart disease when humans ate that for thousands of years with no heart disease. Sugar is basically a slow acting poison.
Sugar and the Heart: The Hidden Heart Harm in Your Diet - Cleveland HeartLab, Inc.
Sugar plays a well-known role in the development of obesity and diabetes. But research is beginning to show that it’s also murder on the heart. Over the 15 years of a Harvard School of Public Health study, those who got 17 percent to 21 percent of their calories from added sugar were 38 percent...
www.clevelandheartlab.com
Covid passports: How do they work around the world?
How are countries enforcing vaccine passports and what can people use them for?
www.bbc.com
Are you gonna say kids that grow up in homes with poor diets don't lead to much more diabetes and heart disease? That's the point. Parents are worried about kids with covid yet the far greater danger is from drinks like pop.
A lot of people don't need the vaccine because they already had covid, there's no point in mandating to everyone when a lot of people don't need something. Just like those born before 1957 didn't get the measles vaccine because they didn't need it. And, people had over a year to improve their diets and health to help against covid, but they didn't because no one told them to. I bet eating healthier and exercising does more than masks.
Why do you NEED more immunity than what is needed? We know natural immunity is very strong. And the added boost from a vaccine only lasts a short time so what's the point? Do you want everyone getting a shot every 6 months? Either you have faith (since we only know natural immunity or vaccine immunity lasts as long as we have data for it) that your immune system is gonna work or you don't. I have faith that it will work based on previous data (SARS from 2003) and current data (immunity levels that aren't antibody levels are not waning over time, you have more than antibodies to take out the virus), it's not 100% but nothing is and I don't think getting a shot every 6 months is feasible or even something that should be done just to lower risks by like 0.000001% or whatever it will turn out to be. If YOU want to be ever-so-slightly safer, fine, but mandating to everyone your extreme risk tolerance is bullshit. Calling the variants alpha and delta and whatnot is stupid, it's the UK variant or Indian variant, there's literally nothing wrong about calling it that, it's not racist to name it from where it came from (we've done that for our entire history). Then, when you have dumb naming conventions, everyone is like not getting vaccinated is causing variants when the variants have all came from places with no or very low vaccination rates (and more people would know that if you just named them properly). So your neighbor Bob that didn't get vaccinated is not making a new variant more likely so stop shaming Bob because it only makes Bob less likely to get the vaccine.
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You are so bad at this. THIS IS A NUMBERS GAME. Getting covid gives you like 70% not to catch one of the variants, getting the vaccine on top of that bumps it up to 90% immunity. Viruses mutate and immunity wanes, and this virus is viral as fuck so we need to actually be taking steps to nip this in the bud, no sitting on our hands being dip shits who don't take this crap seriously. If we had a vaccine with 100% immunity then I would say "fuck it", let those who don't want the shot not get it, maybe they will get sick and resolve the issue of them being stupid and selfish, but we don't. We have to deal with an extremely viral disease that can mutate and get vaccinated/immune people sick again.
Also, NO calling the variants by where they came from is monstrously stupid. Not only does it increase hate crimes against people of that nationality but it also doesn't help if there are multiple variants from a location. Say there are 5 from India, gonna call if "sars covid india v4"? I think you just want people to be beaten in the streets. I think you just want to be racist.
True, a lot of people probably don't need the vaccine because they've already had covid. But...
1) How do you propose to discriminate between the ones that would benefit and the ones that don't? What test exists to do this reliably?
2) How do you propose to ensure that people excused the vaccine can do so? Surely we need to mandate a PCR antibody test to excuse people from the vaccine?
3) How much immunity do we need, and how do we measure that?
4) How much does immunity wane, and how do we measure that? For instance, antibodies are part of the body's immune response. If you have lower antibody levels, you obviously are likely to have a weaker immune response to some degree. So we need to ask how much it affects risk: 5%? 10%? 40%?
You're trying to discuss shades of grey with black or white. You are not going to get to a good answer.
Ah yes, because before we started recording heart disease, heart disease simply didn't exist!
Jesus wept.
Uhrm, that article isn't about mandates. It's about vaccine passports.Covid passports: How do they work around the world?
How are countries enforcing vaccine passports and what can people use them for?
The UK is considering introducing passports which would act as a condition of entry to nightclubs. And the EU's passport is to exempt people from quaranting.
Neither are mandating vaccines/antibody tests.
Enough, yes. In fact, they've had the evidence to determine the dangers of sugars since the 60s, even though it has not been the most popular target for advice. More below.
This is a bizarre claim. Fats have contributed to heart disease since forever. In the modern era, meat eating in most societies has vastly increased relative to earlier ages, together with a decrease in physical activity; this has increased the risk. Sugar consumption has increased even more radically, and is likely to be an even bigger problem.
The key debate here goes back to Ancel Keys and his chief opponent Brian Yudnik. Keys thought fats were the problem, and Yudnik sugars. Keys won this debate for the most part, substantially because he had a major (albeit flawed) study behind him, and because he was much better at PR. As he carried a lot of the nutrition field with him, it's taken decades (in large part his disciples retiring and dying of old age) to replace his dogma.
Sugar is not "slow poison", it is a completely natural foodstuff.
Broadly, there are monosaccharides, e.g. glucose, fructose, and galactose. Then disaccharides, which are combinations of two linked monosaccharides (lactose, maltose, sucrose, etc.). There are also big polysaccharides made of lots of linked monosaccharides, like starch and glycogen. All sugars and polysaccharides are basically converted by the body into glucose for use. Broadly, "sugar" in vernacular means table sugar, sucrose, which is a dimer of glucose and fructose. From hereon in, I'm going to use it to describe mono- and disaccharides generally. Anyway, the long and short of this is that virtually everything you eat has sugar in it. However, consuming large quantities of it has only become prevalent since we've been able to refine things like sugar cane and sugar beet. Before then, honey and fruit were the main sources, and neither were generally consumed in huge quantities.
Glucose triggers insulin production, so large intake of sugars promotes high insulin levels, which causes fat creation / storage (hence cardiovascular problems) and over time may lead to insulin insensitivity (type II diabetes). Polysaccharides are much less problematic in this regard, because it takes a while to break them down so they don't tends to cause such extreme glucose (and thus insulin) levels.
The simple answer is modest consumption of sugars. You would however also be well advised to modest consumption of meat and many other fats, because they aren't going to do you any favours either. There's a reason statins (which reduce cholesterol) are so effective in reducing cardiovascular disease. In fact, there is the simple axiom of "moderation in all things".
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My future nephew in law works in the medical field and got and recovered from Covid. He now has greater immunity to Covid than someone that never had Covid but got the jabs. He is no more likely (less likely?) to spread the disease than the vaccinated. Even so, to keep his job, he had to get the jabs so he did. And they're still testing him. And he, without symptoms, tested positive. He thinks remnants from the shots caused a false positive. Everyone around him, including me and mine, ran out, got tested as we were with him indoors for an extended period. Every last one of us tested negative. I wonder how many of these quitting nurses are in the same boat? That they just think all of this nonsense is hysteria?
I heard on the news that there reason hospitals are overwhelmed in some states right now is because a lot of nurses got laid off from the suspension of non covid proceedures. Then a bunch of nurses quit when they force told they MUST get the vaccine.
Which has resulted in a labor shortage. So when a hospital is at capacity it doesnt mean the hospital is full, it means they dont have to staff to handle more people.
Oh i found an article https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...kers-laid-off-furloughed-during-pandemic.html
Here is one about nurses quitting https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...c-health-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/5680714001/
ABC local ness was talking about this a few days ago which is where i heard it.
Also i saw that all that extra hospital space they built and those military ships ended up doing nearly nothing. The hospital ship in new york city only treated 200 people. https://www.navytimes.com/news/your...s-nyc-having-treated-fewer-than-200-patients/
And a lot of the hospital field space went unused. https://apnews.com/article/virus-ou...ds-manhattan-e593ba57f37206b495521503d7e5e4c5
Though this might be because they couldnt use space they didnt have the stuff to cover because they fucking ferlowed the staff.
Which has resulted in a labor shortage. So when a hospital is at capacity it doesnt mean the hospital is full, it means they dont have to staff to handle more people.
Oh i found an article https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...kers-laid-off-furloughed-during-pandemic.html
Here is one about nurses quitting https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...c-health-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/5680714001/
ABC local ness was talking about this a few days ago which is where i heard it.
Also i saw that all that extra hospital space they built and those military ships ended up doing nearly nothing. The hospital ship in new york city only treated 200 people. https://www.navytimes.com/news/your...s-nyc-having-treated-fewer-than-200-patients/
And a lot of the hospital field space went unused. https://apnews.com/article/virus-ou...ds-manhattan-e593ba57f37206b495521503d7e5e4c5
Though this might be because they couldnt use space they didnt have the stuff to cover because they fucking ferlowed the staff.
Don't recall where I first heard it. Back in August, the CDC was claiming the opposite.
But it's around.
Example: " First, the possibility that a COVID infection leads to longer-lived immunity than vaccination is not far-fetched. "
COVID infections may give more potent immunity than vaccines – but that doesn’t mean you should try to catch it
A new study from Israel on naturally acquired immunity has caused a stir – and some misinterpretation.
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Neither prior infection nor the vaccine stop you getting infected again, and so you may be positive even with immunity.
What happens when you get infected is the virus replicates as fast as it can and your body tries to kill the virus as fast as it can. "Immunity" means your body recognises the virus and so responds to kill it much faster. This means you should have much reduced or symptoms and a shorter period where your body has virus present - but you still have it.
Having does covid infection necessarily give you "better" protection than the vaccine. We know that the strength of immunity to covid from infection varies, and - possibly - there is less immunity with a weaker infection. However, the vaccine is likely to induce a very strong immune response under any circumstance, where a weak infection may only induce a weak immune response. Infection has advantages in the sense that your body is likely to recognise and be able to respond to any part of the virus, whereas the vaccine is just a specific part of the virus. This should provide advantages in terms of variants, because it increases the chance your body will recognise part of a variant virus, whereas a variant with mutation in the part of the virus the vaccine is based on could substantially reduce the effectiveness of the vaccine.
Quitting your job over a five minute vaccination that helps your body be better protected against a disease, that's hysteria.
Are the sugars which have more steps in the body's breakdown vs the more purer refined, less steps involved, sugars, 'better'?
So are there people who are not just 'immune' but literally cannot get it at all in the first place? And what would you call that?
It doesn't really make that much difference until it gets to polysaccharides, but they aren't sugars. Fructose may be worse than glucose. The reason for this is that it has to be converted into glucose by the body, so that puts additional metabolic strain on the liver (which is where the conversion takes place). But this is still far from proven.
The virus needs to bind to a target inside the body - that's an enzyme called ACE2. So if you have no ACE2, you theoretically can't catch covid. But pretty much the only people with no (or very little) ACE2 are young children. (People with obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes tend to have more ACE2.)
I mean, these are sizable numbers.
However, as I recently said that nurses, doctors, and all medical professionals have the distinction of being human.
And did you know that nurses were quitting before the mandate? Oh yes.
U.S. hospitals hit with nurse staffing crisis as pandemic rages on
Many nurses are quitting because they are exhausted or demoralized. Others are leaving for lucrative jobs with travel nurse agencies.
Here are the facts: Nurses have been fleeing from the profession since Covid began.
Traumatized and tired, nurses are quitting due to the pandemic | CNN
America's nurses are running on empty almost one year into the pandemic. They've reused PPE, canceled PTO and worked extended shifts for employers they don't always feel value their safety. It's driven many nurses to quit.
www.cnn.com
Covid has made it harder to be a health-care worker. Now, many are thinking of quitting
Frontline health care workers are considering leaving the profession in droves after the pandemic added to existing strains on the system.
www.cnbc.com
ICN Warns “COVID Effect” Could Drive Millions of Nurses to Leave Profession - Daily Nurse
You can mark the toll of the COVID pandemic on nursing in multiple ways, from the tragic loss of nursing lives to the impact on nurses’ mental health. You can also count the impact in the number of nurses leaving the profession, a trend that may have long-lasting effects on nursing. In a new study,
dailynurse.com
And we shouldn't forget that these people are actually Front of the Frontline workers. When parties were blocking access to the truth and manipulating the CDC on what to release, these nurses were out there, doing their job and following their passion.
Also, as of April 2021, more than 3500 nurses died from Covid
12 Months of Trauma: More Than 3,600 US Health Workers Died in Covid’s First Year - KFF Health News
Lost on the Frontline, a yearlong investigation by The Guardian and KHN to count health care worker deaths, ends today. This is what we learned in a year of tracing the lives of those who made the ultimate sacrifice.
khn.org
Now to bring back my point about Medical Workers being human, do you want to know the hardest hit state? I think we all know what it would be.
Infographic: Where U.S. Healthcare Workers Have Died From Covid-19
This chart shows U.S. healthcare worker deaths from Covid-19 by state up to April 07, 2021.
www.statista.com
New York State trounces everyone else with the number of nurses who have died from Covid. At the time of the chart, NY had 453 deaths due to Covid. California was the second closest at 332. And now that a bunch of New York Nurses want to ignore the evidence and the actual death of their collegues, we need to sit down and heed their selfishness as saliency?
So, here's where I'm confused. Hospital Staff being burnt out have been on the news since Covid started, and have been protesting about how they are being worked past the point of exhaustion:
800 nurses in Pennsylvania staged a walkout today to protest dangerous working conditions that they say are caused by understaffing
About 42% of nurses nationwide said staffing has gotten "slightly or much worse recently," per a recent survey of 15,000 nurses.
www.businessinsider.com
Keck Hospital of USC nurses demand improved safety measures amid coronavirus pandemic
The demonstrations, urging that hospital employers “put patients first,” were also staged in Marina Del Rey, Inglewood and Alhambra.
www.dailynews.com
As COVID-19 Surges In California, Healthcare Workers, ICUs and Providers Struggle to Cope
Two-thirds of California doctors, nurses and other health care providers feel emotionally drained, frustrated, overworked and burned out, according to a survey conducted in September by the California Health Care Foundation. Of the 1,200 health care workers questioned, 70 percent of them had...
news.blueshieldca.com
Where was the sympathy then? Why now when actual life and death matters have been politicized? Is it because of how certain people feel about the virus and the political party in charge?
What was it that the Right kept on championing back in the day? Facts don't care about your feelings? I really am getting curious of why they have shifted that stance when the facts don't correlate with what they want, and their desires of "personal freedoms" have now become their only defense they have left.
When will some people stop fighting to be on the wrong side of history?
I think both "sides" are guilty of this.
In terms of nurses quiting during the pandemic, I would imagine this pandemic was levels of stress far beyond anything they've ever seen before and they simply couldn't handle it. I don't blame them for it either. It takes a special person to even be a medical professional, and I imagine it takes an even more special type of person to be able to handle extreme medical disasters.
The question I would pose though, is if nurses were quitting so much, why would they continue to ferlow the other nurses. The idea is that they down staffed for non-covid related staff, but if remaining staff quit why would they not bring back some of the ferlowed staff?
It seems like there were fuck up at every possible aspect of this whole pandemic. And a lot of the fuck ups continue as more information comes out that doesn't make any fucking sense. For example, why would any medical professional refuse the vaccine if it is so reliable and safe? If the vaccine is so effective, why does Covid seem to be such a big fucking problem when 60% of people have gotten at least one dose, and 55.7% are totally vaccinated?
We are looking at surges (they claim) that are just as bad as the original surge of the pandemic. But shouldn't there be at least a 50% down turn from that result if so many people are vaccinated? Then more shit about the vaccine continues to come forward that I'm sure make a lot of people feel like it is a waste of time. For example, you can still get covid, even if you don't get sick you can pass covid to others, the vaccine has had no effect on restrictions like masking, the vaccine apparently needs to be boostered but there has been no information as to when someone would need a booster. It seems like the vaccine needs 3 doses not too, and quite frankly this is the only vaccine that I've ever heard of that need multiple doses close together, even googling it the only ones I can find are STD's based vaccines like HPV and Hep.
The flu shot is once a year, which is because every year the flu mutates, and that's fine. But Covid you get a double dose after 3 weeks. Then how long after that is the booster? And why?
I don't know shit, but listening to the news and hearing all this makes me think that these vaccines which were rushed out into the public really aren't all that helpful long term. We saw massive dips mid-summer as the vaccine got pushed out to everyone, but four months later we are damn near back to square one in some places. So what the fuck is happening? I can't believe this is solely because of the remaining 39ish percent of people who aren't getting the vaccine at all are fucking it up for the vaccinated folks.
Yet at the same time, we hear all this shit about how bad things are you can turn on the TV and see the NFL stadium's packed and not a mask to be worn any fucking where. So no regulation at mass gatherings? Where is the consistancy? Where are the serious attempts to stop the spread of this fucking thing?
Because of the legions of people who desperately want to pretend that covid is over and are thus taking zero precautions whatsoever
Because of the legions of people who desperately want to pretend that covid is over and are thus taking zero precautions whatsoever
You are doing the "it's not 100% effective and is therefore useless" thing again
lmao
Facts do not require belief
Because of the legions of people who desperately want to pretend that covid is over and are thus taking zero precautions whatsoever
And money.
*snips*
To the Furlough Question, we can look here.
Why Nurses Were Furloughed During a Pandemic - Shearwater Health
Images from New York City depicted the dire need of nurses, but in other parts of the U.S., nurses were being furloughed during a pandemic.swhealth.com
It's not because Covid isn't packing hospitals. It's because Covid isn't big money like Surgeries and the like. People stopped getting those and procedures that actually make hospitals money because they didn't want to get sick. So Hospitals lost profit.
So to sum it up... Capitalism. Capitalism demands profit over lives.
And why should it be down? There are still people out there transmitting the virus. In greater numbers than last year, because there isn't any lockdown to stem the tide. If more people are out, more people will get it. If more people don't wear mask, the more people will get it. If more people ignore warnings because they are simply too 'fatigued', the more people will get it.
Remember what 2020 looked like at most times.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/photos-coronavirus-has-emptied-nycs-most-crowded-places.html
As an ex-New Yorker, that as creepy as smile.jpg. At no time of the day or even the year should New York look like that.
Anyway, there are still more unvaccinated people out there getting it because they are more exposed than ever. To put in perspective, we're talking about hundreds of people, all wearing masks and following guidelines of 2020... and comparing it to hundreds of thousands (millions, in certain cities) of people who gave up wearing masks and decided not to get the vaccine in 2021. But we're confused about how come the numbers are greater? Really? There are more people out there with less to no guidelines, not vaccinating themselves. Yes, numbers will go up. If viruses were sentient, this is exactly the scenario they would hope for in order to spread through us as much as possible.
There's nothing shocking about the numbers going up if we decide to continue doing what we're doing.
But we've reached the actual problem here. And you said it yourself.
"I can't believe".
You're not objective to this. Your mind is made up. You seek what validates your mindset and shun what doesn't. The 'Misinformation' you speak of is you shunning the CDC, WHO, The Mayo Clinic, actual world leaders on Health and Medicine who all say get the vaccine. That's as clear cut as you can get, because these are the people that almost all medical procedures stem from in the United States.
But a couple of people who have an agenda say "Nah, man, I'm going to do my own thing". And you're confused? Where is their funding? Where are their fellows? Where are their legion of researchers? Are they as profilic as the World Health Organization? Which, pro tip... they have the 'World' in their name, so I'm guessing not.
You are choosing not to listen. You are choosing to ignore what you don't want to agree with. And you are promoting this when people are dying from it.
Lastly, daily reminder, Covid has now surpassed the Spanish Flu to take the place as America's most deadly pandemic.
Covid overtakes 1918 Spanish flu as deadliest disease in U.S. history
U.S. deaths make up roughly 14% of the nearly 4.7 million fatalities that have been reported worldwide in this pandemic to date.www.statnews.com
God, I hate the formatting on this site sometimes. I can't correct whatever's wrong with my previous post. It will only allow my post to go through if it's quoted. Everything I fix in editing gives me the 'oops' prompt. That's how it's going to be.
~Edit, my one thousandth post was about how I can't get this forum to post my messages right and slagging off on Americans. Can you encapsulate my time here any more than that?
Fixed it for you in bold. You don't have to be polite, we know what we're about.
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Literally every doctor and nurse I know smokes and drinks, and the majority of the nurses I know are also overweight.
Guess those things are all perfectly ok and healthy because medical professionals do it right?