Next Class?

[WanderingFool]

Very good points. I would love to see Deadpool feature as a prominent character in a Marvel movie. I may not like Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan, but his chipper, sarcastic acting method is perfect for Deadpool. He just needs a decent script.

Couldnt agree more...

But I have to put more stuff to prevent being hit with a low content post warning...

God knows though that half of what they could do for Deadpool would be considered taboo in other movies (massive breaking, hell, demolishing of the forth wall.)

 

[vxicepickxv]

@Tom Soltis · "I failed to see where X-Men first class deletes the Wolverine moive. The whole thing about seeing Xavier walking in that movie could be him playing with the viewers mind since we know he is able to do that."

- In the Wolverine movie, Wolverine rescues Emma Frost, the young girl that turns her skin to diamonds. She is Wolverine's girlfriend's sister. He rescued her when she was a teen, and she joined Professor X at the end of the movie.

In first class, Professor X didn't know other mutants existed until he read Moira's mind and witnessed her memory of Emma Frost turning to diamond inside the Hellfire club. According to the Wolverine movie, Professor X knew her when she was a teen. According to first class, he didn't meet her until she was an adult.

According to the comics, they didn't meet until she was an adult either, so I'm going to side with First Class. Of course, she wasn't originally able to turn into her diamond form either, but that's a long story. It's about five minutes long catching up with just her backstory. It might make a good Big Picture, but there's a LOT of weird history for that.

 

[Canid117]

Pretty sure Strykers age also wipes out X2. He looked ten years older in 1962 than he did 40 years later.

 

[Alluos]

There's this one scene in First class where Xavier uses the first model of cerebro, and he sees what is basically a younger version of Storm, so that's another continuity mistake, cus she's like 9 or 10 in that scene, in 1962.

 

[tdylan]

The Stryker in FC is not William Stryker. He's William's father. Charles says to him something to the effect of "You were thinking about your son, William, during my presentation." He doesn't mention William's age.

 

[IndianaJonny]

There's this one scene in First class where Xavier uses the first model of cerebro, and he sees what is basically a younger version of Storm, so that's another continuity mistake, cus she's like 9 or 10 in that scene, in 1962.

Was Daredevil in there too? I remember seeing a lad with dark shades and a baseball glove and couldn't figure if it was Daredevil or Cyclops (if it was intended to be anyone).

 

[tdylan]

I think Apocalypse is too big to use in just the second movie. He's one of the penultimate world threats. How are the newly form X-men supposed to take on him? And if they do, and then ultimately defeat him, where do they go from there? The "rookie" X-Men took out Apocalypse. What villain would pose a viable challenge to them after that? I'd avoid him altogether. He's just too big a villain. Unless they did some crappy, dumbed down version that was "Apocalypse in name only," and then what's the point? They still will have ruined the character because they've tied his name to some generic bad guy.

It's the same way they handle Juggernaut in the third film. That was NOT Juggernaut. But fans demanded him so they thought "let's give them what they want." Bad idea. That's what gave us Elektra in the daredevil movie, Venom in Spiderman 3, and a bunch of throwaway mutants in X-Men 3. Did we really need Angel in there? Honestly? WTH did he accomplish that had to be done by him, and no one else? "Catch his father after he was thrown from a rooftop," that's what! Because super powered mutants couldn't think of a better way to kill the man that created the cure for mutation than taking him all the way to a rooftop, just to drop him off?

 

[marscentral]

I think if you get to hung up about what does and does not match up with previous films, you'll go crazy. The canonisity of any event in the previous X-films rests on the director of the next film.

Unless they were written at the same time as the first film, most sequels end up conflicting with their predecessor(s) and that goes double for prequels. You either let it go or it ruins everything.

Side note, I hope Ryan Reynolds has another crack at getting Hal Jordan right before giving him over to the (almost certainly awful) Deadpool spin-off.

 

[YodaUnleashed]

Reading this makes me want to see X-men first class again, it was such a good film with a great ending that as you say moviebob, ties everything together with what we already know whilst doing it unexpectedly. Mainly though the story and acting was just really good and it's definitely right next to the Dark Knight as far as superhero movies go.

 

[RTR]

Since we are on the subject of spoilers, here's an idea for next week's column:
Why Green Lantern sucks: Round Two.
This one doesn't come out in Mexico until August so I'd rather have it all spelled out for me now before then.

You know what would be cool? If they do make a First Class sequel, wouldn't it be fun if Wolverine gets to hang out with Xavier?? Assuming that as of FC he still hasn't had his memory erased, that is.

 

[Grampy_bone]

Well the one flaw in all of Bob's reasoning is that there's no reason they couldn't have Professor X and Magneto set aside their differences and work together for awhile. It's pretty much the oldest plot in the superhero book.

 

[Avistew]

on top of that Raven joining Magneto was absolute bullshit as well. "Oh, dearest brother who has just been crippled by the guy who fucked me once, I shall now abandon you and for some reason beyond human understanding you are OK with this. Later bitches!"

I agree with the rest of your post (although I understood why they did things differently: in this business, you can't just put half the work out there and keep some for the next movie, when the next movie might be made by someone else and ruined. Ideally, First Class would have been divided into two movies, the first one setting things and ending with a small argument between Charles and Erik, but them staying allied, and the second movie would have developed their friendship more (right now they seem to have barely spent any time together, despite how emotionally charged some of these times were) and have the bigger fallout) but not with this.

It seemed clear to me in the movie from the start, except the very first scene they have together, that Charles doesn't get Raven. He just doesn't. And she's frustrated by it, but she has no one else at that point.
Then she finds someone who accepts her, gets her, and likes her the way she is. It's absolutely not far fetched that she'd go with him, although it's made worse by the fact all the rest was rushed around that point too. It would have worked better in the "First Class is two movies" scenario if she was noticeably more on Erik's side by the end of the first movie, and left with him during the second one.

But as I said, I get why they did it that way. It's a bit of a "put everything in there so nobody else can ruin it" that causes the movie to be less amazing than it could have been, but we don't live in a perfect world and it's a damn good movie as it is.

 

[Saelune]

Or it was just an over sight and you (Movie Bob) is just having a misguided nerdgasm of hope.

However I feel like if Wolverine Origins is canon is the movies....Deadpool should still be redone and we should all just pretend that thing CALLED Deadpool just never existed. I dont think anyone would complain.

 

[tdylan]

Second, I see how Wolverine Origins is erased (it's been established by the creators that they considered it non-canon long ago when they were talking about doing a Deadpool movie) but I don't see the logical leap to X3 being erased. It comes off as wishful thinking on Bob's part. The little flashback beginning is erased, yes, but that hardly means the whole movie is being ignored. I'm not asking Bob to be objective or anything, since I think people who decry critics for being subjective are f&!#ing stupid, but try to keep fanboy yearning out of logical analysis. He just made a video (the Green Lantern Big Picture ones) about how fanboy bitching is a force for ill, so this comes off a slightly hypocritical to jump to the conclusion that a movie he doesn't like no longer counts just.... because!

So you're okay with the inconsistencies erasing Wolverine, but you don't agree that they erase "The last stand?" Yet Bob is the one that's a hypocrit here? Charles is walking at the end of Wolverine, which is obviously not possible given the age at which he was crippled in FC. Origins is erased.

Charles is also walking at the beginning of "The Last Stand," even though First Class says he was paralyzed by that time. Also, we see (a walking) Charles AND Magneto go to Jean's house in order to recruit her. This obviously did not happen in First Class, and cannot take place based on First Class' ending. Next we have Eric saying to Charles "we won't have to meet all of them, will we?" Speaking of travelling to Jean's house to get her parents' permission for her to attend the school. Charles answers "no. This one is special." So Magneto wasnt big on the "meet n' greet" in Last Stand. Yet in FC it was him that insisted that he and Charles be the ones to contact the mutants.

But let's say those don't necessarily negate the Last Stand. Okay, how about the fact that Moira MacTaggart was CIA agent in FC, but in Last Stand she was some kind of doctor? FC gave no indication that she has any kind of training in the field of medicine. She is clearly a field agent, and not a rookie as she knew several important people by their faces (as seen during her stakeout of the hellfire club), and the CIA director made a case for not killing her on the beach along with the mutants because she is "a good agent." What you're saying is that even though Charles was crippled at the end of first class, and seen walking at the beginning of Last Stand, that doesn't mean it was erased. And even though Moira was still employed with the CIA at the end of FC, but was a doctor in Last Stand hey! Bob is just being a wishful, hypocritical fanboy, right?

 

[WolfThomas]

Beast negates the world X2 created because he was human looking in that.

Easy, he designed a holographic image inducer to hide his beast-like form. A lot of different characters like Night Crawler, Deadpool, Jocasta and Jack Monroe have all used them in the comics to hide their appearances. Considering he designed a prototype jet in the sixties capable of VTOL and that serum even though it didn't exactly work how he planned.

 

[Queen Michael]

I'm proud to say that I was into Deadpool bfore he got popular. I started liking him back in 2001.

 

[Mister Linton]

Erik did not help Xavier build Cerebro according to FC. There, X1 is no longer cannon. Enjoy.

Like I said, all the silly fanboys need to just accept each movie as it's own story and stop worrying about continuity, the filmmakers threw that out a long time ago.