Next Class?

[tdylan]

Erik did not help Xavier build Cerebro according to FC. There, X1 is no longer cannon. Enjoy.

Like I said, all the silly fanboys need to just accept each movie as it's own story and stop worrying about continuity, the filmmakers threw that out a long time ago.

Erik did not help Xavier build the Cerebro located at the CIA facility. But to be honest, Xavier didn't build that one either. Beast did. It was already built when Xavier and Erik came into the picture. It's not far fetched to think that after the CIA was attacked and they retreated to the Xavier mansion, they built (began building) another Cerebro in order to continue their quest to locate and contact mutants. It stands to reason that Erik helped build the "Xavier Cerebro," seeing as how the construction would go a lot faster when you have a guy that can move metal with his mind. We also saw in X2 that Erik can manipulate Cerebro magnetically, and has enough knowledge of the way it works to be able to adjust it to target humans exclusively. So, in The first X-Men movie, when Xavier and Wolverine are inside (the mansion's) Cerebro and Xavier says to Wolverine "he (Mageneto) helped me build it," Xavier is clearly talking about the Cerebro that he was using at the moment - the one located inside the mansion - which we do not see in First Class, but can easily be shown in a flash back during "First Class 2" as being built during the events of First Class.

Also, in the first X-Men movie Charles states that Magneto's helmet is designed to prevent Charles reading his mind. Yes, this was clearly a revelation/new development at the time, but as far as remaining in continuity with First Class, Charles' behaviour in X-Men doesn't completely contradict what he already knew about the helmet. He could have simply been clarifying for Wolverine, the others, and the audience, that Erik's helmet is designed to block his telepathy. Charles never said anything like "I'm completely surprised by this discovery as I had no idea such a thing was possible."

As for Beast appearing human in X2, First Class makes it clear that Beast is concerned about his appearance. Raven pretty much tells him that the world should accept them as they are, and he tells her that it will never happen. Raven's last words to him were "Remember...mutant and proud!" This leads me to believe he was still at odds with his appearance. Who is to say that Beast did not continue searching for a cure for his appearance, and found it? He could have tried again and succeeded. At no point in First Class do we see a McCoy that has come to terms with his mutation.

 

[tdylan]

X2 is obviously a follow up to X-men.
- Wolverine returning Cyclops' bike (that he stole at the end of X-Men)

- Rogue returning Wolverine's dogtags that he gave her in X-Men

- Magneto saying to Wolverine "Why do you always think everything is about you?" A reference to their confrontation on the train in X-men when Wolverine asked "What do you want with me?" and Magneto responded "my dear boy, who ever said that I wanted you?" and we all realize Magneto was after Rogue. In X2 Magneto wants Jean to read Nightcrawler's mind to find Stryker's facility. Wolverine thought that Magento wanted Jean to read his mind and Magneto pretty much tells him to get over himself.

- Mystique still has the scar on her stomach in X2 as a result of being stabbed by Logan in X-Men

- When Logan returns to the mansion in the beginning of X2, Jean asks him if he's going to runaway again (a reference to him leaving to find Rogue on his own in X-Men).

But yeah, you're right..."all the silly fanboys need to just accept each movie as it's own story and stop worrying about continuity, the filmmakers threw that out a long time ago."

 

[Moeez]

Kinky stuff? Ok, off now to read Dark Phoenix saga!

 

[Krion_Vark]

funniest thing for a Deadpool movie: have Fury show up and then have Deapool literally punch him out of the frame saying "Keep your Avengers shit the FUCK outta my film!". The Deadpool movie should actually be a parody slamming on the stupid superhero and comic cliches that have been rampant in modern times as well as the past.

He does have a frequent flyer card for the 4th Wall Office.

 

[Mister Linton]

X2 is obviously a follow up to X-men.

X2 was 8 years and 3 movies ago. But hey, sitting around letting the continuity give you a tummy ache so bad that you make excuses for the movies you like and cry foul on the movies you don't is totally cool! You've certainly convinced me.

 

[RJ Dalton]

The soft man gets a backbone . . .

Bob, did you intend that as an ironic statement? Because if you did, I am totally loving it.

 

[Nouw]

A very nice article.

Oh and for those who are wanting a Deadpool film, this guy portrays him wonderfully.

 

[NoTroll]

Probably my favourite article by Bob. I've never seen any of the X-men movies, but a lot of my friends have, and I always thought it was kind of sad that a (apparently) stellar series would be ruined by X3 and Origins. Maybe I ought to watch those movies now.

 

[starwarsgeek]

Any chance that First Class also destroyed X2 and it's "Kill Cyclops" storyline? Because killing of the guy who pretty much IS the X-Men was real smart...

That was actually the start of Last Stand. But, yeah, it's looking like First Class is a full reboot, 'cause there's a few more continuity issues.

 

[Verlander]

NO true geek approves of continuity errors, they suck it up and soldier on! I'm ashamed of you Bob...

 

[Towels]

X1 vs X:O continuity issue that I havn't seen mentioned yet:

In X1 Wolverine and Sabertooth don't know each other. The small, supporting drama between them stems from the fact that they are evenly matched, but its just a detail for Wolverine's loner theme. In fact, I think Sabertooth's only lines are to Storm.

In X:O Sabertooth is Wolverine's sadistic big brother, and the entire movie is about their adventures together. Wolverine may have suffered memory loss, but Sabertooth sure didn't. This Sabertooth who essentially raised Wolverine, so why would he not at least say "Oh hey Jimmy, kill any fun people lately?" in X1? (And even if I'm wrong about Sabertooth keeping his memory, then why wouldn't Xavier or Jean say something? "Oh wait Logan, this guy thinks your name is Jimmy and you were born in Canada!")

I've got an official Marvel X-men encyclopedia that even mentions how their relationship greatly differs from the X1 and the comics. (This book was published between X1 and X2.)

You know now that I think about it: Did Xavier scan Sabertooth's mind to reveal clues about Wolverine's lost memory in the comics? I don't know if Sabertooth and Wolverine knew each other before the Weapon X program in the comics, but even still it would seem that Sabertooth's mind would be a good place to investigate Logan's past.

 

[tdylan]

I believe it was in the X-Men 1.5 DVD (X-Men with bonus material) that the director explains Sabertooth (from X1) suffered memory loss prior to the events of the film, and that's why he didn't recognize/interact with Wolverine more than what was seen.

 

[Mark Logan]

If they continue with the FC I'd like to see wolverine planted in the Xavier Institute as a sleeper agent. Sent to collect intel for William Stryker's program and or disupt Xavier. He could have conditioning to protect his thoughts from Xavier's telepathy. Thoughts?

 

[WaReloaded]

Brilliant piece of writing, MovieBob. Fortunately, I've managed to not see both The Last Stand and Wolverine: Origins.

 

[Infernai]

A long time ago i actually thought of what happened to the real deadpool/wade wilson during origins: See, they were going to use the original wilson for the 'deadpool' shown in that film due to his body being physically able to handle it. They first started with the healing factor that they took from sabertooth (they didn't have wolverine available at the time, but they had viktor). HOWEVER, it was at this point he was diagnosed with cancer and so Weapon X had to rush for a replacement. It was at this point they found another mutant, one who could completely transform themselves into another person right down the biological level. So, they made that guy become a copy of wade and he became the deadpool seen in the movie while the real wades origin story at this point basically mirrored that of his comic.

So at the start of the deadpool movie, he would be sort of like "Oh yeah, that whole thing with origins...that wasn't me, just some guy who could change shape and looked like me. But anyway, you came to watch me and obviously a much better movie, so lets focus on that"

....or we could just retcon origins, that works too. But hey, atleast i had the decency to think up a way to make everyone sort of happy?

 

[Falke]

I think this is all so much wishfull thinking. In X-Men 1 Xavier states that he met Magneto at age 17 (or 16, I forget) which clearly isn't what happened. And while I don't see this being intended Xavier mnight just as well get to be friends with Magneto again for a while in between. he might even walk again for a while, he did in the comics. If you say that anything that makes no sense in the timeline erases the new movies you have to start with X-Men 1. Just ignoring inconsistencies that don't fit into your wishfull thinking doesn't make sense here.

 

[XaVierDK]

Havok is Cyclops' brother but goes unmentioned in the other movies.

All of those can be explained away pretty easily except Beast. But they're still things that require an explanation in order to show these things happened in the same reality. I for one hope they don't connect them. That way we can also get a decent Sabretooth, Mystique and Azazel can be Nightcrawler's parents, among other things.

As much as I remember of the original two movies, Nightcrawler could easily be Mystique and Azazel's child (can't remember Azazel from the comics, but meh), with the looks and teleportation and so forth...

Also, Havok is in my eyes used more as a father than a brother to Cyclops in X-men First Class (the time line and powers would fit better), though to be fair that should have been Corsair (leader of the Star Jammers, from whom comes also Hepzibah, Corsair's lover, later love interest of Warpath, who have never been seen in any of the other movies, yet), but that would lead to the whole space angle being needed, so I guess they turned it down for the movies and used a more earth-bound approach, which sadly required Corsair to be "retconned" into his youngest son.. They obviously couldn't use Cyclops, as he is one of Xavier's students in the 90's, so I guess they went for the next best thing...

Best Regards

 

[Mark Logan]

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Also, Havok is in my eyes used more as a father than a brother to Cyclops in X-men First Class (the time line and powers would fit better), though to be fair that should have been Corsair (leader of the Star Jammers, from whom comes also Hepzibah, Corsair's lover, later love interest of Warpath, who have never been seen in any of the other movies, yet), but that would lead to the whole space angle being needed, so I guess they turned it down for the movies and used a more earth-bound approach, which sadly required Corsair to be "retconned" into his youngest son.. They obviously couldn't use Cyclops, as he is one of Xavier's students in the 90's, so I guess they went for the next best thing...

Best Regards [/quote]

If it's true that Havok was retconned to Scott's father because Corsair would have been to difficult, why not use Chamber and ignore the whole mess? Chamber does pretty much what Havok does, avoiding the continuity issue of Chamber's upper torso being a flaming mess most of the time, they could have kept him relatively normal looking till the end or the next film and used that secondary mutation as character growth.

I loved Havok in FC, but switching Chamber for Havok could have lead to a more interesting Cyclops and Havok team up later on.

 

[XaVierDK]

Also, Havok is in my eyes used more as a father than a brother to Cyclops in X-men First Class (the time line and powers would fit better), though to be fair that should have been Corsair (leader of the Star Jammers, from whom comes also Hepzibah, Corsair's lover, later love interest of Warpath, who have never been seen in any of the other movies, yet), but that would lead to the whole space angle being needed, so I guess they turned it down for the movies and used a more earth-bound approach, which sadly required Corsair to be "retconned" into his youngest son.. They obviously couldn't use Cyclops, as he is one of Xavier's students in the 90's, so I guess they went for the next best thing...

Best Regards

If it's true that Havok was retconned to Scott's father because Corsair would have been to difficult, why not use Chamber and ignore the whole mess? Chamber does pretty much what Havok does, avoiding the continuity issue of Chamber's upper torso being a flaming mess most of the time, they could have kept him relatively normal looking till the end or the next film and used that secondary mutation as character growth.

I loved Havok in FC, but switching Chamber for Havok could have lead to a more interesting Cyclops and Havok team up later on.

I believe it was mostly done to keep the Summers name in the mix... I (wrongly) guessed he was supposed to be Scott's father from the outset (had the names mixed up)... So now they have a possibility of a good love story (alex summers and... whoever they choose to be Scott's mom), and an evil love story (azazel/Mystique) in the next one (yes, there will be a next one, FC is doing great at the box office), further confusing continuity buffs and further deepening the lore of this new, fresh take on the X-men

Best Regards