If Nintendo was ashamed of cutting the price on the 3DS, Miyamoto & Co. must be contemplating hari-kari...
Nintendo Braces For First-Ever Annual Loss
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did you seriously just call Yahtzee a boring troll? Troll, maybe I can give you that, except not even because a troll trolls for their own satisfaction at the expense of everyone else, a Yahtzee trolls for the satisfaction of all of us.Aiddon said:
But boring? not in the slightest. I don't see YOU getting paid for your opinions and witty remarks.
For whom the troll trolls?
The troll trolls for thee.
There's not a shitty game on that list. You were the one specifically saying that Nintendo didn't make any games for the Wii, and so I posted a list of games from Nintendo franchises.Sgt. Sykes said:
On the Sony side of things, they've pretty much got God of War III, the Uncharted franchise and the Resistance franchise, plus a few more.
If it's third-party games you want, Nintendo aren't the right people to blame if you find there's a lack of them on the Wii.
Not necessarily, but I've become bored with him for past year. His humor has fallen flat and his comedy is just the same crap over and over again which is heresy in the realm of humor (remember, standups change their gigs FREQUENTLY). For example I just CAN'T watch his reviews of motion control or Nintendo products anymore because I KNOW what he's going to say. When the audience knows the punchline it's just not funny anymore. He might as well just become a serious reviewer at this point.martyrdrebel27 said:
Oh, and GREAT idea for a retort in "well I don't see YOU doing any better." I believe Yahtzee criticized use of that argument YEARS ago.
I'm starting to think that The Escapist community in general is not a big fan of the Wii, with only a handful few exceptions, like this fella.JediMB said:
OT: Well... it's been a hard year for The Big N indeed, but as much as it's hard to admit, they brought it to themselves, with a serious lack of software for the Wii this year (yes, I know that Kirby and Zelda are launching this year, but that's it?, just 2 games for an entire year?) and the 3DS' anemic launch didn't help either.
They need to stop treating it's customers as two different entities, yes, they gained lots of new audience with the Wii, but only throwing a few bones for the starving hardcore is just bad.
My advice, say "fuck it" to the "hardcore" and leave them to starve. Nintendo has never solely aimed at the "core" audience, but at EVERYONE which is why they've built a legacy to the point of being ingrained into the public consciousness.SupahGamuh said:
well i can't really see how they are going to pull themselves out of this
the wiiU will probably fail as much as the 3DS did and what do they have left then?
it will be interesting to see how long a company can keep itself alive with "just" strong first party franchises
the wiiU will probably fail as much as the 3DS did and what do they have left then?
it will be interesting to see how long a company can keep itself alive with "just" strong first party franchises
i didn't say i don't see you doing any better, i said i don't see you doing... ANYTHING. and even so, i'm not some performing monkey obsessed with meeting his guidelines and seeking his approval, i'm just a guy who happens to think that even when the videos aren't his best ones, they're still better than most of the crap on the internet. he doesn't adhere to that particular argument, i however think it's completely valid and will continue using it. because to me, i don't see how a person NOT getting paid for their opinion being loved and watched by hundreds of billions of people all over the world and possibly beyond can say that someone who DOES is boring. the market has spoken. and yes, that's a hyperbolic figure.Aiddon said:
Realistically the biggest issue with the Wii's lineup vs the PS3 is that it isn't really the Wii vs PS3, but rather it's the (Wii) vs (PS3+Xbox360+PC). There's still a few exclusives that come out for each but for the most part practically every developers have consolidated there releases across 2-3 platforms.Sgt. Sykes said:
Of course there's no going back from this and it doesn't change the fact that the Wii has an underwhelming lineup compared to the other consoles, but for arguments sake if you were to take the PS3 and remove Xbox and PC cross platform games, so no Elder Scrolls, Mass Effect, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Batman Arkham City, Grand Theft Auto, etc etc, then there games list isn't going to look all that much better than the Wii.
Basically all I'm saying is you gotta give them a little bit of a break as they're competing against 3 simultaneous platforms.
Well, I'd say PC is the primary platform for these developers.Sgt. Sykes said:
The reason why not much has happened on the Wii is, I think, that Nintendo don't really understand the indie market. Something that hurt it terribly is the stupid limit for how many downloadable games they allow being released. This is most definitely Nintendo's fault.
Here's the tragedy of the Wii: Nintendo always tried to market it towards "everyone", but media disagreed.Sgt. Sykes said:
Nintendo presented their idea to attract new customers, new gamers, but media reinterpreted that into "Nintendo abandons their fans for 'casual gamers'" (a term Nintendo never used), and it caught on. The fans got pissed off, didn't buy the games aimed at them that were actually released (yet there are dozens of really interesting and genuinely good third-party Wii games) and in response the third-party developers put less and less effort into their Wii releases, which of course made the fans care even less about the platform, and it became stuck in a circle of apathy.
Really, ever since the PlayStation was released, Nintendo has more or less been stuck in a position where the people who buy their consoles don't buy enough third-party games, which of course leads to ever-decreasing third-party support. It remains to be seen if they manage to break the trend with the Wii U, and while I'll cross my fingers - being a big Nintendo fan and all - I will not hold my breath.
No, but the problem lies in that their games lack the factore of core popularity now. Nintendo burned that bridge, and NoA saw to it that NOBODY should be allowed to rebuild it for them (refer to other posts in this topic for why; others detail it much better than I can, or will at this time).JediMB said:
The general gaming populace can forgive a lot (in sales/market appeal) if they buy into hype, regardless of its merits/flaws or how formulaic it is. And Nintendo doesn't have ANY real public, core hype going.
The 3DS has the potential to be a tremendously good system, but if Nintendo continues to shoot itself in the foot in failing to secure those developer contracts, and sticks to churning out the usual parade of 1st party titles and cheap-schlock like it did with the Wii, they will DIE in this changed market.
And by "die", I mean that Nintendo will become the next Sega.
Well, it's not really that big of a deal. They had a massive windfall with the Wii. Now they gotta bring it back to reality. The WiiU will do well I'm sure. And it'll have a full year (at least) on any future iterations of other platforms. Since technology has started developing at a slugs pace, I don't imagine anyone's next generation systems will be all the impressive. Not the jump made on this current generation anyway.
One year of losses (and not even that significant when looking at it's total value of over $10 Billion), they aren't firing anyone or downsizing. But they have already woken up. They know the value of third party support now, and they have already attracted the like of EA and Activision to their new platform. They'll just not be an East Asian miracle any longer. They may just have to work harder on this next console.
The shitty part is that there was some really great games on the Wii that never got that much attention because people were busy being haters. I just wish they had held off till the Wii U to release the new Zelda. Perhaps they'll do a HD version.
One year of losses (and not even that significant when looking at it's total value of over $10 Billion), they aren't firing anyone or downsizing. But they have already woken up. They know the value of third party support now, and they have already attracted the like of EA and Activision to their new platform. They'll just not be an East Asian miracle any longer. They may just have to work harder on this next console.
The shitty part is that there was some really great games on the Wii that never got that much attention because people were busy being haters. I just wish they had held off till the Wii U to release the new Zelda. Perhaps they'll do a HD version.
Maybe they should... make some games... or something...
Then people would want a 3DS and use their Wii. Since my Smash Bros Savvy roommate has moved I don't even keep the stupid thing plugged in anymore, unless I really want to play some twenty year old Castlevania games. They got this far doing whatever they wanted, but now it seems like the well has dried up, and until they can fix that they will probably stay firmly in that slump.
Then people would want a 3DS and use their Wii. Since my Smash Bros Savvy roommate has moved I don't even keep the stupid thing plugged in anymore, unless I really want to play some twenty year old Castlevania games. They got this far doing whatever they wanted, but now it seems like the well has dried up, and until they can fix that they will probably stay firmly in that slump.
Hum, if this is the end it will be sad to see the last of the game console companies come to an end. All we're going to have is the game division of larger more souless companies.
