The marketplace disconnect continues for them as they release an underpowered console to go up against the PS4 Pro and Xbone Scorpio.
Nintendo Exec Explains NES Classic Scarcity
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My answer would be who cares? Do you see anyone pushing motion controlled party games anymore? That fad is well and truly over.Samtemdo8 said:
Motion controls still exist to an extent in VR, but Nintendo's not going anywhere near VR in the foreseeable future nor does VR offer anything like Wii level sales.
As for how I can compare the Wii and smart phones. Well they're both devices used the general consumer to play very simple, accessible video games for short periods. You're looking at it like a gamer, you're looking at inputs and mechanics, most don't.
Im pretty sure that Nintendo is just out of touch. Living somewhere in a bubble, where they just pull a number out of their collective asses and act accordingly. Literally anyone could have predicted that the Mini-NES would have had a much larger market than Nintendo predicted. Its Nintendo's most famous classic console, with a legit NES controller, with a bunch of games packed in. Nostalgia is a very powerful thing, and people emulate for a reason.
Its the same thing that happened with the Amiibos. They released a pitiful stock of them, and all that did was create a viscous market for scalpers to exploit. The execs and Nintendo need to open a window or something, or maybe browse the internet for a while.
Also, 2 million units? Well then, looks like we're in for round 3, boys and girls.
Its the same thing that happened with the Amiibos. They released a pitiful stock of them, and all that did was create a viscous market for scalpers to exploit. The execs and Nintendo need to open a window or something, or maybe browse the internet for a while.
Also, 2 million units? Well then, looks like we're in for round 3, boys and girls.
Personal confirmation of this. The day Xenoblade Chronicles came out i went to GAME to buy a Wii and was told it was selling secondhand for 70 Poumds with 40 pounds off any games you bought with it, so basically a Wii console was 30 pounds...cheaper than a game!fix-the-spade said:
More than that the first one they brought out was in a cardboard box with no instructions, I didn't much like that and asked if they had another, the response was "Plenty!" and an immaculate one was brought out for me instead. Other than smelling a little of cigarettes this Wii could have been brand new...probably used for a couple of weeks and abandoned like so many others.
So a company that makes money in a HUGE way due to nostalgia, made a product that appeals to nostalgia, and didn't think that it'd be popular in an industry that's median age is 30+?
Go home Reggie, you're drunk.
Go home Reggie, you're drunk.
Doubtful. Amazon pre-orders sold out within hours and I doubt there were that many available to begin with.Czann said:
I don't see and issue with 2 million for launch day. The PS4 launched just before Christmas and broke records with its launch. Meanwhile, over at Nintendo, outside of the Wii, when was the last time a home console was selling absolutely well, and was breaking records at launch? The Wii was a fluke with being well advertised, cheap, having the hype of a new technology, and also being a cheap Netflix machine later in its life and allowing parents to feel like they were connecting with their kids by getting them this hot new console that would also make them work out as well. The only other area to look is Nintendo's portable market, which also wasn't selling 2 million units on launch day. So I don't see how this is going to be the Nintendo console to break records. That would be almost half the Wii U's install base on day one, why would Nintendo think that this console would be the new fastest selling console in history, without the holiday season just around the corner to help boost those sales? The PS4 and Xbox One also had Black Friday only a few weeks from their launch as well, so that also helped boost the sales numbers later in the year, and then last minute holiday buyers that brought it to being over 4 million by the end of the year. The Switch is launching in March, with the closest major holiday being Easter, and no major sales that would hit it until many months later. It just doesn't make sense to predict this to be a better seller than any other console, especially considering the hardware limiting third party publishers with what they could port over in terms of major multiplatform titles, so it won't see the crowd of people that play shooters or Assassin's Creed or those sorts of gamers because they already own a PS4, Xbox One, or PC. The Switch will survive on Nintendo and closely related publishers heavily, even the big third party title of Skyrim on the go won't be out until the fall. I say this as someone that already has it preordered, there is no reason to pick up the system at launch outside of wanting Nintendo to succeed with it, which I do because I love portable consoles.
Now, will they make enough afterwards to keep up with any sort of momentum the console may gain? That remains to be seen, but 2 million for the first day seems more than reasonable, 2 million for the first month even seems to be an acceptable amount. Remember, this isn't what they're saying will be the amount for the first few months, just what they have planned to have shipped out and have ready by March 3rd, in a month and a half from now. At my local Gamestop they seem to have roughly as many units as the PS4 had sold on the first night, maybe a little less, which makes sense. What they might need on the whole for the rest of that month or beyond will be Nintendo's job to predict, but 2 million for day one is an appropriate amount looking at history alone, and then looking at the reception for the console and the current line up for day one only helps cement that.
Now, will they make enough afterwards to keep up with any sort of momentum the console may gain? That remains to be seen, but 2 million for the first day seems more than reasonable, 2 million for the first month even seems to be an acceptable amount. Remember, this isn't what they're saying will be the amount for the first few months, just what they have planned to have shipped out and have ready by March 3rd, in a month and a half from now. At my local Gamestop they seem to have roughly as many units as the PS4 had sold on the first night, maybe a little less, which makes sense. What they might need on the whole for the rest of that month or beyond will be Nintendo's job to predict, but 2 million for day one is an appropriate amount looking at history alone, and then looking at the reception for the console and the current line up for day one only helps cement that.
Or because they are not good at it and they know it, their forte was never about online gaming and services.pookie101 said:
Jim did a good episode on this issue a few weeks back, pointing to stories of how some stores only received up to 3 of the damn things...and when the "second wave" came out, they only got one more.
No one's buying your bullshit, Reggie. We all know that this is Nintendo's new marketing scheme even if it's completely moronic in the first place. It's the same shit you pulled with the Amiibo's.
Step 1: Introduce shiny new thing that everyone is definitely going to want.
Step 2: Make 10 of the shiny new thing that everyone is going to want.
Step 3: Enjoy all the headlines of "Shiny New Thing Sells Out Literally In Seconds!" since you only made 10 of them.
Or they could...you know...make a reasonable amount of them in the first place and still sell like hotcakes. All they're doing is limiting their own profits while making money for the scalpers.
If what Reggie says is true - that Nintendo "just didn't realize that there was going to be a marketing demographic of young people" - then they are grotesquely incompetent as a company and deserve to fail for horrible understanding of the market they're in. Yeah, a lot of the older generation is going to want to take a nostalgic trip with your NES classic...but if you didn't realize that anyone with kids is going to want to get them one of these so they can be like "These were the games that I grew up with" then you're a god damn moron.
Now to be fair, I understand why Reggie was trotted out to give this lame-ass excuse. They have to say something about it, and they can't just come out and say "Yeah, we like ginning up as much hype as possible around our product to ensure that every single one we make sells, that's why we limit the quantity of our products so it seems like each one is a "I must get this IMMEDIATELY because they're selling out so fast!" kind of thing." From a PR standpoint: it's better to piss in our faces and tell us it's raining...even though everyone still knows they're pissing in our faces.
No one's buying your bullshit, Reggie. We all know that this is Nintendo's new marketing scheme even if it's completely moronic in the first place. It's the same shit you pulled with the Amiibo's.
Step 1: Introduce shiny new thing that everyone is definitely going to want.
Step 2: Make 10 of the shiny new thing that everyone is going to want.
Step 3: Enjoy all the headlines of "Shiny New Thing Sells Out Literally In Seconds!" since you only made 10 of them.
Or they could...you know...make a reasonable amount of them in the first place and still sell like hotcakes. All they're doing is limiting their own profits while making money for the scalpers.
If what Reggie says is true - that Nintendo "just didn't realize that there was going to be a marketing demographic of young people" - then they are grotesquely incompetent as a company and deserve to fail for horrible understanding of the market they're in. Yeah, a lot of the older generation is going to want to take a nostalgic trip with your NES classic...but if you didn't realize that anyone with kids is going to want to get them one of these so they can be like "These were the games that I grew up with" then you're a god damn moron.
Now to be fair, I understand why Reggie was trotted out to give this lame-ass excuse. They have to say something about it, and they can't just come out and say "Yeah, we like ginning up as much hype as possible around our product to ensure that every single one we make sells, that's why we limit the quantity of our products so it seems like each one is a "I must get this IMMEDIATELY because they're selling out so fast!" kind of thing." From a PR standpoint: it's better to piss in our faces and tell us it's raining...even though everyone still knows they're pissing in our faces.
I always find people complaining about Nintendo items scarcity funny since I've been walking past semi-full shelves of [insert Nintendo product here] at my local Target.
The weird benefits of living in podunk nowhere I guess.
The weird benefits of living in podunk nowhere I guess.
General incompetence and not understanding your fan base. Gotcha. Although it seems more likely to me they were just trying to create an artificial demand and hype, like with several of their other products.
Nintendo and their business model sucks and is insulting.
Nintendo and their business model sucks and is insulting.
It goes back even farther. The Wii had this issue. Someone died trying to win one and she didn't even win it. From what I've heard they also did this with Mario 2 and Zelda 2. I remember when Earthbound came out, it was all I wanted because it came out right before my birthday. No one could find it. I lived 20 min outside of Baltimore, MD at the time. Family or relatives that lived in places like CA, NV and AZ couldn't find it. People were always saying how "it's not a big deal" or "Nintendo can do no wrong" but who's laughing now?RJ 17 said: