Nintendo is not cool

[Nieroshai]

Trashing a console? Fine even though I disagree. Admitting to piracy? LOL

 

[Henkie36]

(insert Yathzee quote), ''in fact, you can be forgiven for saying:''There aren't any.''.'' Zelda and Mario don't seem to have undergone any changes despite maybe a slightly remodeling in HD, but that's it.

This picture sums up why I think complaints like that are total crap.

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Obviously, the series will use similar core mechanics that evolve through the years, but Nintendo has made a serious effort to make sure the games have enough variety to stand out. Same goes for Mario, but I don't have a picture for that one.

Muramasa! Of course! Knew I was forgetting one!
And I don't think Overkill should make the list, but I would agree with you on the Resi games.

Fair enough. I mostly suggested it for the cut scenes, which I think are funny enough to make the game worthwhile, but not everyone is going to think that.

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I absolutely hate Nintendo. Mainly because it's the largest, richest and oldest games developer in the world and they still can't think of a new game every 5 years or so, or even ten years. It's just a load of sameyness, dating all the way back to 1984, and the differences on terms of gameplay, story and character development are subtle (insert Yathzee quote), ''in fact, you can be forgiven for saying:''There aren't any.''.'' Zelda and Mario don't seem to have undergone any changes despite maybe a slightly remodeling in HD, but that's it. Rockstar can develop a character better in 30 minutes then Nintendo can in 30 years and yes that is pretty fucking embarrasing! I am totally tired of saving Peach's ass up to a big ''Screw you, *****, get someone else to do this besides Luigi!''

All right, I will admit that Rockstar basically have been making the same game for the past fifteen years, you dropped in a city and you murder everyone and steal their cars, but at least the guy you play changes, and you get to know everyone of them!

Hardware from Nintendo always is experimental, and mostly realeased before it fully works properly. This not a good thing, and learning throughh trial and error is not something in its favor when you have to pay 300 bucks for it. And the Wii wasn't that groundshaking, since the same company made it before, only a lot worse. And uglier. Even the most adement Nintendo fanboy can unirobically claim that the Power Glove worked just fine.

In short, I hate Nintendo because they spend less time writing new scripts then they spend counting all the money Mario has made them.

For the record, Nintendo didn't make the Power Glove, although it was officially licensed. And they did make the Virtual Boy, so yeah their history is hardly untarnished, but what else can you expect of a company that's more than a century old (not even joking).

I agree that for quite a while Nintendo has mostly been rehashing old ideas, but that's a complaint I have of the entire videogame industry right now. If you look at the lineup at this year's E3, nearly every title is a sequel to something else. And what's worse is most series' also look the same as other series. If you showed someone off the street clips or screensots from CoD, Battlefield, Killzone or Gears of War, I bet they'd have trouble distinguishing them. Everyone bashes on Halo for not innovating, but at least it doesn't look the same as every other shooter.

What I'm trying to say is, if Gears of War 4 decides to use a yarn motif and motion controls, then maybe I'll start accusing Nintendo of stagnating.

The point I'm trying to make is that Nintendo is constantly rehashing 30 year old titles, maybe with a graphic improvement, but it would be really sad if that didn't happen. The story, the characters and the objective have always been the same: rescue your dumbass princess who got her ass kidnapped for the billionth time.

So I would like to challenge Nintendo: make a Mario game which has backstory and a different stroy all together.

 

[Artina89]

I don't have a Wii as it didn't appeal to me, but I have had a lot of fun with my DS lite, and when it goes down in price I am seriously considering getting the 3DS. It's nice to have a colourful game to escape from the shooters and the gritty realism at times. I must agree that there is a lot of shovelware out there, but nothing clears up a bad mood quicker than 4 people over at a friends playing Mario Kart wii. Maybe I am not seeing things clearly as I have grown up around Nintendo (the Wii is the only Nintendo console I don't own if I recall correctly) so I can't see it's faults, but it does still give me a lot of fun, and isn't that all that really matters?

 

[LordOrin]

The point I'm trying to make is that Nintendo is constantly rehashing 30 year old titles, maybe with a graphic improvement, but it would be really sad if that didn't happen. The story, the characters and the objective have always been the same: rescue your dumbass princess who got her ass kidnapped for the billionth time.

So I would like to challenge Nintendo: make a Mario game which has backstory and a different stroy all together.

Yeah, it's true that Nintendo games don't tend to have deep or compelling stories, but I don't generally play games for the story, and I definitely don't play Mario for the story. At least Nintendo's stories are straightforward enough not to detract from the experience with cringe-worthy dialogue and voice acting, etc.

They do take risks with story occasionally, like in Wind Waker when

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all of Hyrule got flooded,

but I too would like to seem them do more to alter their formulas, or invent some new IPs.

In terms of gameplay though, I think on average Nintendo innovates and takes risks more than most big-budget companies. Maybe that's a sad commentary on the industry, since they certainly do their share of rehashing, but I don't understand why they are so often singled out in this regard.

 

[qeinar]

As an avid game enthusiast for 20 years or so, I remember being an ardent supporter of all things Nintendo; if the Wii didn't change my mind, the last month has cemented my opinion that Nintendo deserves non of our money.

I bought a Wii for my parents to use exclusively for Wii sports, and have not been impressed by any of the games released for it - almost every title imo would have been improved with HD graphics and a good control.

Now with the WiiU having only 1 controller, and the debacle over project rainfall; I dont understand why anyone would give money to people who take us for granted?

Oh and as for Arkham City...I'll be playing it months earlier on my PS3 thanks Reggie.

super smash bros and zelda is pretty mch the only reason to get a wii.. oh and old games, altho they didn't let out some of my old favorites, and i still have those on my snes.

 

[radioactive lemur]

I was told this story by teachers in an attempt to keep us off of drugs. However, I think it fits this situation nicely too.

Try to imagine the coolest guy you went to school with throughout K-12. You know, the guy who had a million friends, was captain of every sports team, had all the girls he wanted, and even got good grades too, without being a bully or unlikable in any dimension besides envy. Every guy in the school wants to be him. Then, everyone goes off to college and few keep in touch. Time passes and you eventually see him on the side of the road as an unshaven crack addict whose once awesome life completely fell apart. He has no money, no girlfriend, and no one wants to be like him anymore. You have no idea what happened to him, but he is certainly not the giant you once looked up to anymore. What's even more pathetic is that he has no idea that anything changed and still acts like he thinks he's hot shit whereas he now he only smells like it.

This is the story of Nintendo. They had every advantage, cornered the market early, branded the video game world's most beloved and iconic characters, were practically the sole force in the industry for years, and then, something happened, and they were reduced to what you see before you today.

 

[ChupathingyX]

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Are you serious? You judge the consoles based on (some) of the exclusives it has? Did you ever stop to think that maybe some people don't even like most of those games? For example, personally the only "exclusive" on Wii that I'm interested in is No More Heroes, and that has been re-released in HD on PS3 anyway so your arguement is completely invalid.

 

[orangeban]

I really like Nintendo, and I disagree with the thing about HD graphics, I don't give a toss about graphics and I think it helped the platform. Obviously it made it cheaper but it also encouraged developers to go for a less-realistic art style for games, which is far superiour to this ultra-realistic thing everyone else is going for.

I do like Nintendo, but I use it for different stuff than my computer and Xbox.

 

[orangeban]

I was told this story by teachers in an attempt to keep us off of drugs. However, I think it fits this situation nicely too.

Try to imagine the coolest guy you went to school with throughout K-12. You know, the guy who had a million friends, was captain of every sports team, had all the girls he wanted, and even got good grades too, without being a bully or unlikable in any dimension besides envy. Every guy in the school wants to be him. Then, everyone goes off to college and few keep in touch. Time passes and you eventually see him on the side of the road as an unshaven crack addict whose once awesome life completely fell apart. He has no money, no girlfriend, and no one wants to be like him anymore. You have no idea what happened to him, but he is certainly not the giant you once looked up to anymore. What's even more pathetic is that he has no idea that anything changed and still acts like he thinks he's hot shit whereas he now he only smells like it.

This is the story of Nintendo. They had every advantage, cornered the market early, branded the video game world's most beloved and iconic characters, were practically the sole force in the industry for years, and then, something happened, and they were reduced to what you see before you today.

But, there still the richest and arguably influential console maker out there. And you can't fault them for ambition and innovation, even if it doesn't turn out like you planned.
I think people are angry because they see that Nintendo "betrayed" them. No, they just got another target audinence, leaving you in the hands of Microsoft and Sony.

 

[HDi]

This is the story of Nintendo. They had every advantage, cornered the market early, branded the video game world's most beloved and iconic characters, were practically the sole force in the industry for years, and then, something happened, and they were reduced to what you see before you today.

Not really sure that your analogy works here... I mean, Nintendo are cruising on a cash tsunami, they have consoles and games in millions of homes, their franchises are still all doing exceptionally well...

...in fact, it would appear that they are doing so well, that they can just turn down easy money for simple localisation jobs.

Cool or not... they're hardly comparable to a destitute crackwhore.

 

[violent_quiche]

This post I'm about to make is about to become my default answer to anyone who has a problem with the Wii.

Me and a friend recently weer talking about console exclusives (we're both PC gamers, but pay good attention to consoles too) and I told him the Wii was the console with the most good exclusives.

Let's break this down, what does the 360 have?
**snip**

Add in GC backwards comparability and the Virtual console and you get essentially the full back catalogue, including so many greats I actually couldn't name them all without just linking to the shop itself.

Well if you want to list thinks like this... no more heroes is coming over to the PS3 in an HD remake, so that's no longer "exclusive", and for the 360 you forgot fable and tales of vesperia, at least. If you're going to include symphonia for the wii you should be fair and include vesperia for the 360... and the ps3 will have tales of graces as an exclusive as well as white knight chronicles.

It's not always quantity though, it's quality. A particular system might have a TON of exclusives, but if it's not what something it interested in then it doesn't matter. Having "good" exclusives is all up to opinion.

Surely the more relevant list is "what can you play on a HD system (PS3, 360, pc) that you can't play on a Wii?"

Assasins Creed series
Mass Effect Series
Gears of War series (the only "brown shooter" I own)
Red Dead Redemption
LA Noire
Fallout 3 and NV
Portal 1 & 2

That kinda does it for me.

I bear no ill will- I have had 4 Nintendo consoles and enjoyed hem all- and have no stake in what anyone plays. I live in a house with a 360 and a Wii: I play the 360, my son plays the Wii and we're both happy. Nintendo just don't satisfy my gaming interests any more.

 

[JediMB]

Now with the WiiU having only 1 controller

The Wii U supports up to 5 controllers. Currently only one tablet-controller, but up to four Wii Remotes with attachments such as the Classic Controller Pro.

and the debacle over project rainfall; I dont understand why anyone would give money to people who take us for granted?

I live in Sweden. I've soft-modded my Wii and imported plenty of American games. I know it's retarded behavior from NoA's side (which will hopefully change if Xenoblade and Last Story sell well enough in Europe), but it's really not that hard for an American to soft-mod their Wii and import from Europe.

Oh and as for Arkham City...I'll be playing it months earlier on my PS3 thanks Reggie.

And I'll be playing it on my PC.

That said, I don't think any Sony fans complained when the PS3-version of Mass Effect 2 was announced. (Except maybe about the lack of a Mass Effect 1.)

 

[MrMixelPixel]

Nintendo is getting my money because of the great games that are exclusive to the Wii. Not to mention the Wii...

I need my dosage of Mario, Zelda, Metroid (I liked Other M...), Kirby, etc.

I'm addicted to Nintendo and I just can't get enough... >>' (please forgive me)

 

[starwarsgeek]

The point I'm trying to make is that Nintendo is constantly rehashing 30 year old titles, maybe with a graphic improvement, but it would be really sad if that didn't happen. The story, the characters and the objective have always been the same: rescue your dumbass princess who got her ass kidnapped for the billionth time.

So I would like to challenge Nintendo: make a Mario game which has backstory and a different stroy all together.

I wouldn't go as far as saying "rehashing", but I can see your point with Mario, and I would love to see Nintendo really work in some continuity outside of the RPGs. If they just focused on Bowser's objectives, then it wouldn't even be that hard to pull it off. His actions are similar in most of the games, but his motivation changes: expanding the Koopa Kingdom (SMB 1, 3, World, Galaxies), acquiring personal power for himself (64, Paper Mario), just wanting to fight Mario (Peach is obviously just bait in World and the New Super Mario games), or stalking Peach (The Paper Mario games, and probably Galaxies). In the Paper Mario games, he tends to be a sympathetic character, and he even occasionally dabbles in heroics (Super Paper Mario and...I think Bowser's Inside Story, but I haven't played that one yet).

They have the foundation for a good story right there; they just need to actually focus on it a bit. Really, if they just had a skipable opening cutscene and some and some notes in the bases before the boss*, then they wouldn't even need to sacrifice the flow of a pure gameplay experience or the in medias res style of the story.

*The notes could even be a good excuse for some more interesting boss fights. If the notes clued you in on how to fight them, then they needn't keep them so simple, so it could help out in the gameplay department too. You know, not that the bosses are "bad"...especially in the New Super Mario Bros. games, but there's always room for improvement.

However, when it comes to gameplay...or the Legend of Zelda as a whole (she's not nearly as bad as Peach), I stand by my picture.

 

[jacobythehedgehog]

I was never a Nintendo kinda guy (except Pokémon), SEGA all the way!

I can see you're point, Nintendo do try to do something different quite a lot, doesn't always work, but I don't think they've messed up consistently frequently enough for no-one to give them any money.

Oh Yeah SEGA!!!! I still play my Dreamcast a bunch, I have actually in the past year played my Dreamcast more then I've played my wii since I got it.

 

[Machine Man 1992]

For me, I coudn't take nintendo seriously after they changed the name of their seventh generation console from the badass sounding "Revolution" to the easily mocked "Wii".

 

[starwarsgeek]

I was never a Nintendo kinda guy (except Pokémon), SEGA all the way!

I can see you're point, Nintendo do try to do something different quite a lot, doesn't always work, but I don't think they've messed up consistently frequently enough for no-one to give them any money.

Oh Yeah SEGA!!!! I still play my Dreamcast a bunch, I have actually in the past year played my Dreamcast more then I've played my wii since I got it.

Ah...the Dreamcast. Good times. Unfortunately, I only ever owned the Sonic Adventure games, but I'm hunting down my DC's parts so I can get the many other classics for the system.

 

[Im Phelpsing It]

I think Nintendo will always (primarily) be focused on children's games. What they made 'back in the day' had that impact on us because we were kids. Nowadays, I can't force myself through a 120-star run of SM64, but I can get through the most monotonous shooters.

Our generation is growing up, and Nintendo has moved on to the kiddies of today.

If you do ever have to play the Wii, I recommend SSBB or Mario Kart.

 

[Dexiro]

I bought a Wii for my parents to use exclusively for Wii sports, and have not been impressed by any of the games released for it - almost every title imo would have been improved with HD graphics and a good control.

I can't think of any Nintendo game that would have been noticeably improved by HD graphics; their games have good gameplay and well designed graphics and that's all that really matters, HD would make little difference.

As for the controls, I agree that regular controls would improve their games but I don't think the motion controls ruined any of Nintendo's games. It's mostly down to the developer to make the motion controls work well.

 

[Trixsy]

This post I'm about to make is about to become my default answer to anyone who has a problem with the Wii.

Me and a friend recently weer talking about console exclusives (we're both PC gamers, but pay good attention to consoles too) and I told him the Wii was the console with the most good exclusives.

Let's break this down, what does the 360 have?
**snip**

Add in GC backwards comparability and the Virtual console and you get essentially the full back catalogue, including so many greats I actually couldn't name them all without just linking to the shop itself.

Well if you want to list thinks like this... no more heroes is coming over to the PS3 in an HD remake, so that's no longer "exclusive", and for the 360 you forgot fable and tales of vesperia, at least. If you're going to include symphonia for the wii you should be fair and include vesperia for the 360... and the ps3 will have tales of graces as an exclusive as well as white knight chronicles.

It's not always quantity though, it's quality. A particular system might have a TON of exclusives, but if it's not what something it interested in then it doesn't matter. Having "good" exclusives is all up to opinion.

Surely the more relevant list is "what can you play on a HD system (PS3, 360, pc) that you can't play on a Wii?"

Assasins Creed series
Mass Effect Series
Gears of War series (the only "brown shooter" I own)
Red Dead Redemption
LA Noire
Fallout 3 and NV
Portal 1 & 2

That kinda does it for me.

I bear no ill will- I have had 4 Nintendo consoles and enjoyed hem all- and have no stake in what anyone plays. I live in a house with a 360 and a Wii: I play the 360, my son plays the Wii and we're both happy. Nintendo just don't satisfy my gaming interests any more.

I agree with you there. I did enjoy my wii at first, and I'm still keen on all the games I've accumulated for the DS, but when it comes to console gaming there just isn't anything for me anymore. I've had a PS3 for awhile and I recently got a 360 and I love them both. Being late to the xbox party is fun since I have a lot to discover now