Nintendo, more than "casual"

[veloper]

More than casual? Nintendo used to be everything that is not casual. Even Mario Bros is very difficult compared to most modern crap now.

Casual vs core in a game is not about presentation, but rather about the effort you need to put into the game to progress.

 

[Rooster Cogburn]

The Tron architecture is somewhat discordant with the rest of the series but not particularly with the non-twilight visual themes of Twilight Princess. The creatures themselves don't strike me as out of place. All in all, I don't see it as the incongruous mashup of styles you see. I know what you're trying to say, but I don't agree with you on that point. Again, agree to disagree.

Agreed, let's disagree.

My point about nostalgia is made because I came fairly late to the Zelda series, and all I knew coming in to OoT was that there was a kid with a sword and a castle (I played Smash Bros before I played a Zelda). The Gorons came out of left field for me, and I had about the same reaction with the twilight things. Not meant to be an attack on your ability to argue as much as a call for perspective.

I don't see the difference but I'm also not worried about it. You didn't insult me and I'm not mad or anything.

Anyway, I concede that Nintendo's presentation is not perfect. I bring in gameplay because I feel that Nintendo games are typically judged mainly on that point as well as that Nintendo games have done nothing but improve on that front. Your argument in the first post I responded to was that no adult should be interested in the art of Mario Galaxy. I suppose I inferred that you felt no adult should play Mario Galaxy (I don't quite believe you feel that way now).

Please keep in mind the context of my first post. I was responding to someone else. I didn't mean to suggest that no adult should like the visuals of Mario Galaxy. I was merely saying they are clearly designed for babies and they look terrible.

I just don't understand how my relationship with Nintendo games is supposed to change if their art direction is declining but their games still play well

My suggestion is keep playing them as long as you enjoy it, if you think they play well. I'm just saying how I feel about these games, I'm not trying to ruin them for you.