Nintendo Says No To Same Sex Relationships For Tomodachi Miis

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Rebel_Raven said:
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When it comes to issues of LGBTQ, if you're not with us then you're part of the problem.

The biggest issue being faced is apathy or indifference to the issue and having it be ignored.
Forgive my ignorance for I am simple country boy from a small town. But I've never seen that with a "Q" on the end of it and I've had a brother who's out and proud for almost 20 years now and have been a PFLAG supporter since 1999.

Still, all that. Never seen the 'Q'

EDIT: Weighing in on the actual article. I feel this is a non-issue. There much bigger fish to fry, plus Nintendo is a private company and can do what it wants. I guess I could boycott. But I don't buy Nintendo stuff anyway so...
Q is for "Questioning," IIRC. Open to the possibility that they might be in the other letter categories, and/or curious.


OT: I dunno. This isn't the company that made Senran Kagura, but this is the company that let it on their system, 3ds. A game about large breasted highschool girls, one of whom is obsessed with groping the rest of them. The stick can't be that far up their bums, can it?

Considering that Nintendo is considering allowing same sex relations after all if it gets positive reactions, I think that the thread might be a bit premature.

Then again, Nintendo said something similar about a Zelda game where you play as Zelda happening if it got positivity behind it. It kinda dropped off the face of the planet.

I kinda wanna give nintendo a chance to rectify things since the loss of access to same sex relations was, if nintendo is to be believed, a glitch and a memory leak. I'm definitely going to try and make a friendly suggestion to Nintendo via the suggestion area of the registration quiz on club nintendo.

Believe me, I definitely don't want my Mii forced into some uncomfortable straight relationship any more than others. I'm not looking to coddle Nintendo. If they screw this up, 'mma be plenty upset.
Well to be fair to the Zelda thing, Zelda games usually take upwards of three to four years to be made. And I agree, we shouldn't jump straight to boycotting. A polite and well reasoned email campaign will work just fine.
 

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Examples? Evidence? Reasoning? Do you have anything like that to back up this weird opinion of yours?

The Nintendo Defense Force doesn't have to work very hard when there isn't anything real to defend against.
*cracks neck* Well since you asked, now keep in mind these are wholly my opinions and are really just extra dollops of cream on the "why the fuck is Nintendo so fan-dabby-dabulous" cake.

To list all the ways I consider them old and thoroughly outdated, hmm where to start? The tech most obviously along with their online infrastructure being outdated and dragging the chain. Their treatment of consumers with dry sequel after dry sequel that prey upon Nostalgia, lack of third party support, etc.
Nintendo's lack of interest in cutting edge hardware is more of a preference than old fashioned idealism, one could make the same argument for all consoles. Unless you want to pay up the ass you aren't going to get cutting edge graphics. However, they also design unique hardware for their consoles. Look at the last three Nintendo controllers.


And now let's look at the last 3 Xbox controllers


So don't tell me they only want to recycle the same formula over and over, just because they don't prioritize the same things as the other console makers, that doesn't mean they're stuck in the past. Not that technology has anything to do with the larger conversation we're having anyway

Generally the stuff I consider to be insidious is the way they treat female characters in general. If they aren't pushed into done to death tropes (locked in a cupboard damsel in distress dujour) they are not allowed to be openly feminine and have to hide it under a facade of androgyny (Shiek & Samus).
Both Shiek and Samus deliberately had their sexuality hidden so it would be a surprise later in the game, being openly feminine would have ruined that. You also have characters like Daisy Kong, Tetra the pirate, Midna, and Rosalina who do not fall into these "done to death tropes" and all have some degree of femininity to them. Moving on...

Frankly I don't think Nintendo are the hero of the games industry that every neurotic fan makes them out to be.
I don't think they are either, and I also don't think the characterization of every Nintendo fan as a neurotic quasi-religious fanatic is accurate, at least not of the majority of us. It's easy to see how someone WOULD be a big fan of a company that has historically made some of the greatest games for numerous console generations, but that doesn't mean we think Nintendo can do no wrong or that we ignore it's mistakes. We just tend to defend it against the titalwaves of unreasonable hate this site tends to throw at it, like this whole thread.

But hey, just my opinion, it's not like I'm booking a flight to Nintendo HQ and setting up anthrax bombs or something... much too expensive.
I never accused you of being a terrorist, but comments like this:

Despite the kiddy friendly facade, nintedo is damn insidious. Like a man in a pedo-bear suit
I think demand some explanation, which you have so far failed to deliver. You can't just say "X is like hitler, but that's just my opinion" and think that that works.
 

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Well, that's one more company to add to the block list for homophobia.

Such a shame, I really liked Nintendo too.
I wouldn't be so quick to judge them, they've got to keep in mind what the current viewpoint in their home country is as opposed to what they may feel.
That's what I was going to say. As mentioned, Gay marriage isn't legal in Japan so Nintendo was most likely trying to avoid legal issues in their home country and adding it into the international release probably would've involved a great deal of coding and a bunch more QA testing which would've been quite costly.
 

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You want to know what's the funniest thing about this whole situation? It's shaping up to be EXACTLY like the chic-fil-a incident. I have already seen an overwhelming amount of comments of people saying they will buy this game because it didn't have gay marriage in it and it pissed of the LGBTQ+ crowd. Won't that be fucking ironic.
Mostly lurking this thread as I have trouble voicing my opinions in a way that makes sense to others. I just wanted to say, in regards to this post, that I hope people don't think Nintendo is endorsing what they're saying in regards to them (being the anti-LGBTQ people) buying it.
 

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What's stopping you from making a Male Mii and giving it a female voice and just pretending it's such?
 

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I don't really think this is Nintendo being homophobic, I think they're just unsure of what to do. Allowing same sex relations could get them in trouble, (media hounds attacking them saying "it's making our children gay" and whatnot) and denying it makes them seem homophobic. They're currently trapped between a rock and a hard place, with no possible middle ground between choices.

I just feel sorry for Nintendo, they probably didn't expect this much controversy.
 

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Fasckira said:
RatherDull said:
Well, that's one more company to add to the block list for homophobia.

Such a shame, I really liked Nintendo too.
I wouldn't be so quick to judge them, they've got to keep in mind what the current viewpoint in their home country is as opposed to what they may feel.
Japan: The country that makes more gay porn than any other country, the country responsible for the Fujoshi Movement.
 

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RatherDull said:
Well, that's one more company to add to the block list for homophobia.

Such a shame, I really liked Nintendo too.
I know you're getting quoted alot but, it is just one game. And they mentioned theyd think about it. Give em a little more faith :D
 

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Both Shiek and Samus deliberately had their sexuality hidden so it would be a surprise later in the game, being openly feminine would have ruined that.
Well ain't that convenient.

You also have characters like Daisy Kong,
When was she a heavily featured character last, Donkey Kong 64?

Tetra the pirate,
Locked in an underwater castle cupboard after finding out she's a princess.

I'll give ya that one.

and Rosalina who do not fall into these "done to death tropes" and all have some degree of femininity to them. Moving on...
You go off and save the galaxy Mario I'll just sit here and read...
The only one who had real agency was Midna which is why I liked Twilight Princess and Tetra for half the story. Moving on...

We just tend to defend it against the titalwaves of unreasonable hate this site tends to throw at it, like this whole thread.
I don't think Nintendo employees are going to cry because the Escapist has issues with what they're doing or what kind of message they are sending. Sure they're probably trying to not stir up trouble at home in Japan where homosexuality is supposedly illegal, but that just strikes me as 'lacking conviction' as somebody put it earlier so well.

Which just sums up what I don't like about them in generally, they don't move forward or ahead, I feel like I grew up but they didn't. Which is a bit presumptuous on my part to assume a company can entertain me throughout my life, not expecting Sesame Street to air episodes like Cosmos.

Simply as much as a group of investors can tear out a companies spine, Nintendo's is certainly missing more of their spine than a few game companies out there.

I never accused you of being a terrorist, but comments like this:

Despite the kiddy friendly facade, nintedo is damn insidious. Like a man in a pedo-bear suit
I think demand some explanation, which you have so far failed to deliver. You can't just say "X is like hitler, but that's just my opinion" and think that that works.
Well when I think Nintendo is insidious I just think they're are a lot 'colder' than how people tend to imagine them (nostalgia and rose tinted glasses and all that). So whilst a man in a pedo-bear suit may not be a pedophile, because to uneducated people he just looks like a bear, but to me I can see these things and they rub me up the wrong way.

So maybe my opinion(s) is the counter to special pleading (special defaming?), but the fact that this powerhouse of a brand people associate with their youth and a company people hold in high regard, just sort of goes; 'homosexuality is a bug, you're all weird', I can imagine how people would be offended by that. People tried being nice and level with them, but companies only ever seem to respond to bad press.
 

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Attacking people who are ignorant are a fast way to make people hate the attacker. Knowledge and understanding is what is ultimately required for the LGBQT community to be universally accepted in the world community. By attack blindly with anyone who disagrees with you without checking to see why they disagree with you will do more bad than good in the long run.
Id just like to strenghten this argument by giving myself as proof. That reason there is why I despised feminists for the longest time. My first experience with feminist was the kind (that in reality arent really feminists) who would be all the happier if every manpig on earth died a slow painful death. So you can imagine what I thought about people who called themselves feminists until my dear school taught me the acutall defenition of the word.
 

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Oh look, more of Nintendo altering their content because they don't want to piss off some ignorant, if not bigoted, parent who might see that the game they're playing has people who aren't heterosexual and cisgender. I understand why they do it, and its bottomline over ethics, but its totally within my rights, and reasonable, to condemn them for stuff like this. And yes, I know, they have potentially one gay romance between Ike and Soren and an openly gay woman, Heather (who, by the way, was more or less stalking the person she was infatuated with, as the object of her affection did not reciprocate), in Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn. I'll chalk that up on the "Pro-LGBT" side where it can be lonely by itself, and put Nintendo's long history of censoring LGBT-content on the "Con" side, along with a repeated history of knowing that things like this very Tamodachi thing were very much wanted, but not fulfilled because they'd rather play it safe than release a game to children that has a positive image for LGBT kids to look up to.

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and the lovely term " Your either with us or against us" thrown around isn't what people fighting for the "Right" side do.
Uh, you might want to check out the history of the Civil Rights movement, the Women's Rights movement, and the Gay Rights movement in American history. Shit didn't change because people say on their thumbs while mildly suggesting to people that maybe they shouldn't be such meanies towards them.
Not really. It's possible to be completely neutral on a subject, but if you want to play the "you're either with us or against us card" you certainly can. Just be aware that when you force everyone on the sidelines to pick a side, they may not pick yours, especially when you're so antagonistic. When you're grabbing people who didn't care one way or another about the issue, and throwing them in with your opposition, you're making enemies, not friends. Those groups were never going to weigh in on the issue, but now you've already labeled them your enemies. Nintendo didn't do anything against the gay community, but now there are people talking about boycotts. Whose being ugly to who?

I'm not usually sided with the Nintendo Defense Force fellas, since I have a lot of problems with the company, but this certainly isn't one of them. Nintendo just wants to mind its own damn business, and that's completely fine. When Nintendo starts funding anti-gay organizations, then we can start pointing fingers.
 

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MarsAtlas said:
Do a word search for "bigot", "hate", and "homophob" on every page in this thread. Wanna know how many times any of those were thrown at Nintendo?

Once. Just one time. And I disagree with that statement. Nintendo isn't homophobic, they're simply appeasing them. And I iterate again, I'm not exactly best-buddy-pals with somebody who has a history of putting a convenient relationship with homophobes ahead of respecting me as a human being.
Hmm ya I wonder why this huge thread full of people aren't all screaming boycott and bigot at nintendo, Oh I can think of two, First the person that's behind the whole movement thing THIS HERE is against boycotting nintendo and calling it a bigot, and second this is about a VIDEO GAME.

This hasn't been a fight vs pro LGBT vs anti, no this is for some reason a fight vs sensible people with a cause anyone that hasn't been living under a rock, can easily get behind, just including more relationship types no matter if your LGBT or not, VS a bunch of stark raving mad Pro LGBT that most didn't even take the time to read up on it, Just see it as another spot to Push their real life agenda.

Like I said before, I have no stake in the LGBT side, this has no barring on me even if I buy the game. But hey I saw some guy that obviously did his homework on the matter ((a lot more then the reporters)) ask for something added that isn't in the game now, either later in a patch or put it in a squeal, Ya why not, thumbs up to that guy. But if you think for one second I'm hear to support and push radical "your with us or against us" Hate or "your not supporting so your the problem" BS trying to get thrown on top, No, No i'm not.

But as a gamer I'm offended people can take something about a game, completely strip away all ties to the game aspect and dump their SJW BS on top so high no one can even see the original idea anymore and think they are "Helping the cause." I haven't even seen a single article of anyone saying anything AGAINST miiquialty. There is no one fighting this! This really is just theirs to ruin, and they are doing a good job at it.
 
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RatherDull said:
MrMan999 said:
RatherDull said:
KingsGambit said:
RatherDull said:
Well, that's one more company to add to the block list for homophobia.

Such a shame, I really liked Nintendo too.
Well...I don't think you over-reacted quite hard enough here. Maybe a mass protest, death threats or burning buildings down is in order?
No, all I did was just stop buying Nintendo stuff and throw out all the Nintendo products I have (hardware and games and that's it.)

I'm not going to do something drastic like that.
Wouldn't a more sensible move be simply following MiiQuality's suggestion and using the Club Nintendo Survey to campaign for a same sex DLC or more likely a Same Sex couple feature in the sequel?
They don't listen, they just like to say they do.

If we want our voice heard we need to get together and appropriately boycott their products. They listen to the sound of money going down the drain.
I propose a different alternative: MOVE!

Come to Canada, get married to your lover, and settle down. Health care for everyone!
Options exist for you to live in a place where you are accepted and treated equally, just drive North for a while. My Uncles are happily married, and holiday dinners at heir house are awesome.

Of course, the Holidays are awesome because they are busy being happy together instead of projecting their misery in the name of a worthy cause.

Also if you REALLY REALLY want a video-game where you can role-play your sexuality, (or any others you fell like exploring)
they exist. Some created for just this purpose.

Finally: So you literally THREW AWAY all your Nintendo products? o_0 I call bullshit.
 

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MarsAtlas said:
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Those who are "boycotted" aren't exactly hurting from it seeing as there's incredibly little overlap between the community and the business so what change has been wrought other than people typing up how offended they are?
Got any numbers to prove this? Because boycotts like the Mozilla one wouldn't have worked if this wasn't true.

It takes a physical presence to actually get something done and as long as people feel change is done with an angry post that's not going to happen. It's simply a delusion and it is why a growing number of people get tired of hearing about it on either end.
Ever read MLK's Letter from Birmingham? His, and many other's, words had motivated an entire civil rights movement. Somehow I don't think many protesters and boycotters met them. Additionally, money, or the lack thereof, certainly has a tangible presence.
Chick-Fil-A saw a massive boost in popularity following the controversy before settling in within the top 15 fast food chains when the general public stopped giving a shit and moved on to the next big thing.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/traditional-values-pay-chick-fil-a-makes-record-breaking-profits-after-marr
http://www.qsrmagazine.com/reports/qsr50-2013-top-50-chart
http://www.forbes.com/sites/caroltice/2013/08/30/million-dollar-burger-the-most-lucrative-fast-food-restaurants/

The batshit president hasn't really done anything to hurt them. The only real piece on them in 2014 is how they fed and gave shelter to people during the january freeze.

Mozilla was already a progressive company, like I said they didn't change their stance. Even then they didn't care until other companies took issue with it and actually blocked the use of the browser on their sites. That wasn't a boycott, that was a corporate block out. Up until then they defended his appointment and he even spoke that his personal beliefs would not change how the company is run in regard to supporting all users.

The audience of Duck Dynasty and the progressive community as a whole have zero overlap and you're lying to yourself if you suggest otherwise. The most that came of it was for a while the station added a little "these people don't represent our views" notif.

If anything more people took offense to him being fired because it undermines freedom of expression and political agency in the work force. OkCupid took down the browser block afterward not because they thought something right was done, but because they wanted to apologize for how screwed up that was.

You ignored the phrase "physical presence", didn't you? Tens if not hundreds of millions of people marched, gathered, protested and otherwise supported the movement in person in the case of Dr. King... and basically all of that decade really. That's the key difference, the letter on its own or passed around King's friends would have done fuck all, you need a lot of people making a physical effort to actually get shit done.
 

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Tomodachi Life - "your friends, your drama, your life"
Unless your life and/or drama includes homosexuality...? I don't understand why companies market products as giving players agency and then tell them they can't do things.
 

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MrHide-Patten said:
So maybe my opinion(s) is the counter to special pleading (special defaming?), but the fact that this powerhouse of a brand people associate with their youth and a company people hold in high regard, just sort of goes; 'homosexuality is a bug, you're all weird', I can imagine how people would be offended by that. People tried being nice and level with them, but companies only ever seem to respond to bad press.
Yes, because they totally said "homosexuality is a bug, you're all weird". That's not at all just you twisting around the words of the article to form a completely original sentence with a completely different meaning than ANYTHING Nintendo said. Because when you having nothing real to criticize about Nintendo, it's better to just MAKE SHIT UP.

And enough about this fucking bug. The bug crashed the game, even this biased and misleading article says as much. It screwed up the game's menu and allowed male characters to get pregnant. It was an unintentional technical glitch that had never been a planned part of the game at any point to begin with. WHY IS IT EVEN RELEVENT TO THIS DISCUSSION!?!?!? If you're going to criticize Nintendo, criticize them for not choosing to make homosexual relationships a part of the game to begin with, not for fixing a technical issue.

zarguhl said:
This game is UTTER discrimination. There is no option suited to the needs of objectophiles like myself! The sleek, curved sides of a porcelain cup, the sharp, dangerous, yet ever so delicate frayed wire edges of a cut power cord... This is NOT OKAY! I demand my sexual preferences are appreciated by EVERY game I play and EVERY movie I watch!

The gaming industry is a vile den of discrimination! Mass Effect didn't have ANY suitable relationship options for an objectophile such as myself! There were so many items I wanted as my own, but NONE it would allow me to fornicate with!

And now THIS! A children's game that doesn't let me penetrate the wall with my lusty ardor! SICK!
Agreed, but they should also make the portrayal of the objects respectable and actually give them some character. I'm sick of the way games objectify objects.
 

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Maybe it's just me, it could be, but I am getting the feeling a lot of our peers in this thread don't actually play many video-games. Because they can't be crazy well informed, I can name quite a few gay characters from Nintendo games, I am struggling to think of any first party Sony or Microsoft ones.