Nintendo Says Used Games Aren't An Issue

[thethird0611]

Ubisoft, Sony, EA, now Nintendo, plus many other developers.... and Microsoft is being head strong about this.

Ubisoft and EA at least are just trying to get good PR. Whatever claims they may make about valuing used games are undermined by their concerted efforts over the years to stab the second-hand market in the heart.

Except that this could be a major turn around point from Ubisoft and EA. The only thing that we see from them about used games is the things like Operation $10, which we see is gone from ALL systems, not just the Xbox. Since the Xbox is the only one with this new Used Game DRM, we can easily see its not just trying to get good PR.

So you know what bud? Lighten up, give the big guys a chance when they do something good.

 

[GAunderrated]

Ubisoft, Sony, EA, now Nintendo, plus many other developers.... and Microsoft is being head strong about this.

Ubisoft and EA at least are just trying to get good PR. Whatever claims they may make about valuing used games are undermined by their concerted efforts over the years to stab the second-hand market in the heart.

So you know what bud? Lighten up, give the big guys a chance when they do something good.

I would love to look at those companies straight in the eye and give them a second chance, except I can't see them through the enormous pile of shit they have created that has made me very cynical. It would take years of not being dicks in order to gain any sort of good will back.

Ubisoft has given PC gamers way too many middle fingers as well as EA. Ubisoft admittedly hasn't given console's many middle fingers but EA sure has.

 

[Arawn]

It's just that simple: Create a game they don't want to sell. Make the game so much fun they have no reason to cash it in just to buy another one. Of course I'm the collector type (almost a hoarder at this point) I don't toss things unless it's broken. I finish a game it goes on the shelf. That in itself is a trophy for me. I don't need the medals or achievements to tell me what I've accomplished. I just look over at the shelf and know what I've done. Most sell their games once they've conquered it or just because they lack the funds for the newer shinier games coming out a minute later. Doesn't help that most games boast involved game play but only take 4-6hrs to plow through. Everyone wonders why I play RPGs, just more staying power than the usual FPS or Fighting game. Multiplayer isn't enough. Build something with staying power.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

"In fact, from our perspective you want to create a game that people will want to keep and keep playing for a long time,"

Stop it, you're to good for this buisness.

Yes, it's like Nintendo realizes what the point of games are. Though Nintendo also thinks long term and big picture rather than other companies who have memories and attention spans equivalent to that of a may fly's

 

[kael013]

So Miyamoto is advocating the win-win scenario that engaging, fun games that people will want to keep forever will decrease used games sales?

[i/]Why has it taken this long for them to figure that out!?[/i]

 

[Hannes Martinsson]

So Miyamoto is advocating the win-win scenario that engaging, fun games that people will want to keep forever will decrease used games sales?

[i/]Why has it taken this long for them to figure that out!?[/i]

I don't think Nintendo figured this out now so much as they live in their little bubble and all this shit with MS just made them go "Huh? That is a problem for others making games? Well here is how we always solved that problem." To me me Nintendo style games have always been about Huge amounts of replay value and trying to make games you just want to go back to.

 

[suntt123]

So Miyamoto is advocating the win-win scenario that engaging, fun games that people will want to keep forever will decrease used games sales?

[i/]Why has it taken this long for them to figure that out!?[/i]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this was always nintendo's response when asked about used games.
"It's not a problem because people actually KEEP our games! lol"

 

[Lunar Templar]

So Miyamoto is advocating the win-win scenario that engaging, fun games that people will want to keep forever will decrease used games sales?

[i/]Why has it taken this long for them to figure that out!?[/i]

This really isn't a new concept for Nintendo, they've always been like that if you really look at their games, though I think this is the first time they've actually said it publicly.

ether way, its words more devs need to live by

 

[Eppy (Bored)]

Here's my question: Why is piracy an issue for Nintendo? They more or less only make console games!

 

[GeneralFungi]

Here's my question: Why is piracy an issue for Nintendo? They more or less only make console games!

The wii was homebrewed and some unsavory individuals used the homebrew program to allow them to play burned discs. While it could be legitimately used for playing back up copies most people who used the program didn't use it for that reason.

Then there is the massive amount of rom sites online. While people will buy their retro game lineup on the virtual console many people will just use PC emulators. Though Nintendo hasn't taken any major action against roms for a long while.

Piracy plagues Nintendo quite a bit simply because they didn't make it too difficult to hack and manipulate their consoles. With the Wii all you needed to do was insert an SD card and run a program in order to homebrew it. Homebrew in itself is a positive thing that allows users to mod their wii games and add new programs, but some abused the freedom it gave them.

 

[Grabehn]

Proof that Nintendo is stuck in the past. They still treat their customers like people!
(Though Sony is getting a lot of love from me lately for not screwing everything up, good on them)

They are doing some things right. I was impressed that they changed their game/console pricing over here, it was just worse than the 1 dollar = 1 Euro. Sad thing is that most others are still like that.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this was always nintendo's response when asked about used games.
"It's not a problem because people actually KEEP our games! lol"

It's amazing how Nintendo is one of the few pubs that realize that online passes and DRM are ultimately pointless

 

[suntt123]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this was always nintendo's response when asked about used games.
"It's not a problem because people actually KEEP our games! lol"

It's amazing how Nintendo is one of the few pubs that realize that online passes and DRM are ultimately pointless

Indeed. There are 2 solutions to guarantee profitability in this market: budgeting and quality. Nintendo does both very well. Hopefully other companies take notes.

 

[Yopaz]

Aren't all of their handhelds region free? It's odd that they would ignore region locking in one half of their business but uphold it in another. They'd probably see a decent increase in sales if the west was able to buy Japanese-only games that are mysteriously not good enough for us.

No, the 3DS is region locked and so was the Gameboy series. The only one that was not region locked was the brick Nintendo DS, which is the one I have. The original 3DS can still play some imported DS games however as I've played Jump Ultimate Stars on my 3DS. Nintendo's main reason for region locking is to "stop piracy", the other being if the game were banned in a country but I don't know of any Nintendo games that are banned, but that's obviously not working. Region locking is really archaic and doesn't do a good job at all. Sony dropped region locking on their consoles and handhelds and imports for those are really high. The other reason is so that it "protects Japanese profits" but that's not much in the long run if they never release the game. I can think of a slew of games on Nintendo consoles that I would import if I could.

Actually the GameBoy didn't have region locks. I have bought a few American games that worked fine with my European GBA and DS. I don't think you're prevented from playing DS games on the 3DS, but that's a guess since I have only tested this with one DS games. 3DS games are region blocked though which is a shame.

 

[Roxas1359]

Actually the GameBoy didn't have region locks. I have bought a few American games that worked fine with my European GBA and DS. I don't think you're prevented from playing DS games on the 3DS, but that's a guess since I have only tested this with one DS games. 3DS games are region blocked though which is a shame.

Hm, guess I was wrong on that front, then again I didn't start to import majorly until the DS and PSP were out. Although I do wish that they didn't region lock the 3DS at all because there are a few games I want that are only out in Japan for the 3DS and will never see the light of localization. *glares longingly at Unlimited Cruise SP games*

 

[NoeL]

In fact, from our perspective you want to create a game that people will want to keep and keep playing for a long time

Motherfucking THIS. It'd never even occurred to me before, but the only Nintendo game I can recall trading was Yoshi's Story. I can't imagine ever wanting to get rid of Mario 64, or Smash Bros Melee, or Wind Waker, or Metroid Prime.

You see this people? If you want to avoid used games, start making games that people want to keep. If no one's selling their copies then everyone will be buying new.

 

[Hero of Lime]

That's why I have the utmost respect for Miyamoto, he is always so focused on making gameplay the most important priority for the games he works on. His philosophy is exactly why I replay Nintendo games the most, the laser focus on making a purely fun game allows me to return to his older games and love them as much as the new ones.

 

[Yopaz]

Actually the GameBoy didn't have region locks. I have bought a few American games that worked fine with my European GBA and DS. I don't think you're prevented from playing DS games on the 3DS, but that's a guess since I have only tested this with one DS games. 3DS games are region blocked though which is a shame.

Hm, guess I was wrong on that front, then again I didn't start to import majorly until the DS and PSP were out. Although I do wish that they didn't region lock the 3DS at all because there are a few games I want that are only out in Japan for the 3DS and will never see the light of localization. *glares longingly at Unlimited Cruise SP games*

I couldn't agree more. I've always seen region blocking as something useless. If anything encourages piracy or third party region block removal software it's region blocking. There are plenty of games released in Japan and USA that I would want to buy, but can't.

 

[tweedpol]

You know what? They might be right. I never see Nintendo's big hitters on the DS 2nd hand in CeX or whatever: and I can't personally remember trading in or even giving away any Nintendo games, going back to Pokemon red and beyond...

 

[Infernal Lawyer]

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In fact, from our perspective you want to create a game that people will want to keep and keep playing for a long time

Motherfucking THIS. It'd never even occurred to me before, but the only Nintendo game I can recall trading was Yoshi's Story. I can't imagine ever wanting to get rid of Mario 64, or Smash Bros Melee, or Wind Waker, or Metroid Prime.

You see this people? If you want to avoid used games, start making games that people want to keep. If no one's selling their copies then everyone will be buying new.

Nintendo seems to be the only company who fully realizes that it's not cool to lump their problems onto the consumer. Sort of reminds me of a obscure quote from Bioshock: Something along the lines of "If people aren't buying from you, then make a better product. I'm not going to arrest people for going to your competitors". Yeah, not very inspiring sounding, I know, but it stuck with me anyway, and seeing as I'm reminded of it every time a company tries to change the market to suit them, rather than changing themselves to suit the market, it's hard to forget.