Hey, do you guys remember about 12 years ago when market analysts were telling us that the DreamCast was going to absolutely bury the PS2?
Nintendo is going to be fine. They're still releasing consoles (which people will buy) they're still releasing a pretty fair number of titles per year, and they're still going strong with fans while still doing things that can bring in new fans.
Nintendo has been around since 1889, people (and no, that's not a typo) they aren't going to suddenly go under just because the 3DS was off to a rocky start or because Kid Icarus received some negative criticism.
How exactly can a quarterly loss kill a company if the losses are balanced out by the profits from the rest of the year? Unless you manage to lose all your money in a single quarter, that's not going to happen. And need I remind you of the ENORMOUS pile of money Nintendo is sitting on?
I remember seeing in the Q&A section of an old Gamepro magazine someone commenting that Nintendo should go the Sega route and stop making hardware and focus mainly on software. Reason being Nintendo was going downhill, they needed to do that to remain relevant, etc.
This was in 2001.
Like every company, they have their highs and lows. Do you know how much money the Wii has made since release? In 2009 it had made about $270 billion. That's about $90 billion per year, at the time. That's not counting the DS. That's not counting the 3DS. That's not counting the first-party games, ie Super Mario Galaxy, New Super Mario Bros, SSBB, Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime, etc. That's not counting Virtual Console sales.
Just because they're not making as much profit right now at the moment doesn't mean they're not still lighting their cigars with $100 bills.
No that's the thing he is being in no way sarcastic. I remember having almost the exact same conversation, with him a while ago about whether Capcom care about people or not.
He lives in a beautiful fantasy land where companies exist to make people happy, and are not really interested in profits.
Or he is a Nintendo employee trying to spread propaganda
Lol, Nintendo is relevant anymore? What? "no games came out and no one knew what to do with their little white rectangles" I have gotten more use out of my Wii than I have both the other consoles combined.
Nintendo posted their first EVER loss for about half a billion dollars.
"DOOOOM! DOOM! NINTENDO IS DOOMED! THAT'S WHAT THEY GET FOR BETRAAAAAAAYING US HARDCORE GAMERS!"
Sony not only has been losing money for multiple consecutive years, this year lost about (edit since I found out how much the gaming division specifically lost) FIVE TIMES what Nintendo lost.
"Meh. They'll be ok."
It's like the "hardcore" crowd is looking for retribution for the company that decided to try to appeal to a different demographic instead of people who have been playing games all their lives. Fancy that.
There were enough "hardcore" games for the Wii for it to justify its existance. It was the only console that understood the idea of backwards compatibility, and it allowed me to download some of my favorite older games.
While I worry about what will happen when Nintendo goes fully online, I at least see the eShop on the 3DS as precedent that they're not only willing to fix problems when they arise, but can handle digital sales competently. Microsoft, on the other hand announced they plan to put more advertisements on the 360, which will likely carry over to its successor. And Sony still hasn't learned its lesson about the never-ending firmware updates for their products. Guess what system I'm more excited for.
OK, so you've proven that Angry Birds is a really really big hit. Like, the biggest hit.
But unless you're suggesting that people are going to buy Angry Birds and no other game ever in their lives, that doesn't actually hold as much relevance as you might think. Because, ya know, people can buy more then one game these days.
Karutomaru said:
How is that guy an idiot? Apparently he made a masterpiece and his fans are happy! He did his job! He should be proud!
He did his job, yes. But his company is now non-existent. That means He has No more job.
Perhaps in your world, things are different, but as far as most of us are concerned, pride is all well and good, but it doesn't keep a company afloat, nor does it pay the bills. If you run your company into the ground with a project, the chances are the company's going to collapse before the product is finished, and that means a lot of pretty much wasted work and a dead company. Which is a near-suicidal risk.
Lol, Nintendo is relevant anymore? What? "no games came out and no one knew what to do with their little white rectangles" I have gotten more use out of my Wii than I have both the other consoles combined.
I've never owned a Nintendo product but the company contributes to the industry as a whole by creating games that are friendly to gamers of all ages and not the core demographic in their late twenties, early thirties.
Nintendo does not compete directly with Microsoft or Sony.
They offer very similar products that are designed, marketed and sold to entirely different demographics, and although there is some overlap between the audience of both markets they are in the end completely different.
Nintendo's biggest competition instead comes from free or near-free games on personal computers, Ipads and other mobile devices. To use a piece of personally-experienced anecdotal evidence, a friend of mine at work who is a mother of two small children ended up buying a second Ipad because her children had co-opted hers to play games on. Decades ago that would've had a fair chance of being a Nintendo sale, but in this case they didn't even get a look in.
Nintendo is not going anywhere in the short to mid-term, but unless it wants to fade slowly into irrelevance over the long-term the company will need to radically rethink the way it does business from the ground floor to the executive suite. I just hope that whatever they come up with, they stay true to the ethos of making games for children that adults can enjoy too.
I'm starting to like threads like this.
They usually make no sense, have lots of falls information and make me laugh.
First of all, lets put down the useless, overused and fall argument that Nintendo has only a handful of games.
Nintendo has more first party titles than any other company related to gaming.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_products_published_by_Nintendo
They do focus on some more than on others, some even ignoring completely. But every company keeps pushing the product that sells more than those that don't.
Second, the Wii was a success. People like to overlook all the good game and just look at the shovelware. Whether you like the game or not isn't part of the debate. There are good games.
Put as spoiler to save space.
1. Zelda - Skyward Sword
2. - Twilight Princess (what people claim to be the worst Zelda game is still a great game)
3. Sakura Wars
4. Mario Kart
5. SSBB
6. Donkey Kong Country Returns
7. Sengoku Bazara
8. Kirby's Return to Dreamland
9. Kirby's Epic Yarn
10. Xenoblade Chronicles
11. Pandora's Tower
12. The Last Story
13. Okami
14. Lost in Shadow
15. Red Steel 2
16. New Super Mario Bros. Wii
17. Super Mario Galaxy
18. Super Mario Galaxy 2
19. Paper Mario
20. Monster Hunter Tri
21. Metroid Prime 3:Corruption
22. Metroid:Other M
23. No More Heroes
24. No More Heroes 2
25. Little King's Story
26. Fire Emblem
27. Rune Factory Frontier
That's already more interesting games on the Wii than on the other 2 consoles.
The xBox has nothing of interest to me, PS3 has some games, including Little Big Planet. Every other interesting game is multi platform and you can't give credit for such a game to a console.
Also this:
Maybe my math is bad, but isn't 10 out of 20 something like 50%? How come that a company that holds 50% of the top selling games in the US is doing bad? And don't make me pull the Japanese charts where we can even see that 8 out of the top 10 are Nintendo games.
Than there is this rather interesting news.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2012/05/video-game-sales-hit-five-month-sales-slide/1#.T7AlhestjfL
Also noted by Frazier: The Nintendo 3DS has outsold the Nintendo DS by about 1 million units in their respective first 14 months in the market "and the DS went on to become the best-selling gaming hardware system ever."
Nintendo has said that it sold 4.5 million 3DS systems in the U.S. in its first year of availability.
What iz I reading? Za doomed console sells better than za best selling console evah? IMPOSSIBRU!!!
But now seriously, do you think that such numbers will keep developer away from the 3DS, or will they try to take a part of the player base?
Than lets not forge the next console which is also doomed according to guys like OP.
THQ: ?WiiU is just alot more powerful than current HD consoles it does 1080p very easy.?
Crytek: ?WiiU devkits are very powerful,the specs are very good?
Vigil Games: ?We had the game at the same level as high end pc version in a matter of days and a few lines of code got the game up and running on tablet in 5 mins.?
Epic: ?It will do things current HD consoles simply cant do its going to be a powerful box.?
EA: ?Wii U is not a transitional platform, it is a true next generation system.?
Well I borrowed my buddies Wii so I could finish the Metroid Prime series and Twilight Princess, have not looked back since, did enjoy those games though.
Got a 3DS for xmas, I have 2 games for it: Star Fox and Tales of the Abyss, no other games interest me.
If only Rare Ltd. was still making games for the Nintendo.
Rare Ltd. i reckon was one of the greatest game developing companies of all time, they achieved critical acclaim with their subsequent releases which include Donkey Kong Country, Golden eye 007, Conkers bad fur day, perfect dark and Banjo - Kazooie... but in 2002 Microsoft wholly bought the company and now its just developing games for the kinect... WTf!
Nintendo isn't going anywhere. Even if they were in a situation where they weren't making consoles anymore (which would probably be after multiple failed consoles in a row), their IPs are worth so much that there is no way that they could die.
My only concern for Nintendo right now is that, hardware wise, they seem to be designing the WiiU to compete with current gen consoles, and not what's coming next, which would just put them in the same boat as they are right now with the Wii, where it's dramatically underpowered compared to the competition. Hopefully, this fear is not justified, but we will have to wait and see.
Nintendo isn't going anywhere. Even if they were in a situation where they weren't making consoles anymore (which would probably be after multiple failed consoles in a row), their IPs are worth so much that there is no way that they could die.
My only concern for Nintendo right now is that, hardware wise, they seem to be designing the WiiU to compete with current gen consoles, and not what's coming next, which would just put them in the same boat as they are right now with the Wii, where it's dramatically underpowered compared to the competition. Hopefully, this fear is not justified, but we will have to wait and see.
You should read few of the first and last posts before posting That way you can know if someone mentioned stuff you're talking about.
Let me repeat part of my post:
THQ: "WiiU is just alot more powerful than current HD consoles it does 1080p very easy."
Crytek: "WiiU devkits are very powerful,the specs are very good"
Vigil Games: "We had the game at the same level as high end pc version in a matter of days and a few lines of code got the game up and running on tablet in 5 mins."
Epic: "It will do things current HD consoles simply cant do its going to be a powerful box."
EA: "Wii U is not a transitional platform, it is a true next generation system."
Well if Nintendo is setting sail for ruin, then the other hardware makers are dead in the water already. Nintendo is the ONLY company to consistently make a profit of the big 3 in the game industry, and are currently the only TRUE gaming company out of the 3 as well. They also have the largest library of first party titles in the industry, all very well received and making a good sum of money I might add, and in 2010 they had 10 of the top 20 best selling video games on their systems with 8 of those 10 being titles they published with the other 2 being from Ubisoft's Just Dance series.
On top of these, Microsoft and Sony seem to be turning their attention more towards the casual audience while Nintendo is bringing itself back into the game. Microsoft has said that the Kinect will be what brings life back into the 360, and has also started pushing services like Netflix and Facebook along with adding advertisements to their services instead of focusing on what got them their "large following" in the first place. Sony hasn't done as much, or if they have it's flown under my radar anyway, but one of the big complaints with them is the amount of firmware updates they have which is still going strong. Meanwhile Nintendo has started putting in effort to improve their online capabilities, increase the power of their systems(WiiU is supposed to be stronger than the current gen and the 3DS, while I don't know exact specs, is beautiful for a handheld), and still bring quality games to their systems from both past through their eShop/Virtual Console and present with new releases.
Does Nintendo appeal to everyone? Of course not, there isn't a single company in the games industry that does. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like you are one of the people who Nintendo doesn't appeal to.
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