Nintendo Underestimated the Cost of Going HD
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Well it does help explain why the Wii U has gone so long without anything of dire interest to play on it. "We goofed and so we are shining up the good stuff. Here is Wind Waker again, and some Luigi DLC."
I'm looking forward to Pikmin 3 and a new Zelda, but I probably won't get a Wii U for a very long time if at all.
In the other hand my 3DS has been getting all the loves, and I'm okay with that.
I just got Mighty Switch Force since its on sale now. Fun game.
Anyone else like the little shopping bag guy that runs around when you are downloading a game? Frankly its adorable.
I'm looking forward to Pikmin 3 and a new Zelda, but I probably won't get a Wii U for a very long time if at all.
In the other hand my 3DS has been getting all the loves, and I'm okay with that.
I just got Mighty Switch Force since its on sale now. Fun game.
Anyone else like the little shopping bag guy that runs around when you are downloading a game? Frankly its adorable.
Ahem. Blu-ray is a storage medium. HD is a graphics resolution standard. That's like comparing apples and oranges. ;pIshimaruHayato said:
(Besides; Blu-ray is about 25-50 gb disks... Wii U disks are... Surprise, surprise. 25 gb or so. So they already have blu-ray or something equivalent...)
Wow, hearing this really surprised me. After all, consoles that support HD textures and resolutions started with the xbox 360 in 2005, did no one at Nintendo think to check out the competition and see how they were coping with the development/financial implications of HD during all this time?
A real shame, because at the right price point and with some decent returns of Metriod and Zelda I would really consider buying the Wii U as a second console, I guess I just have to play the waiting game.
A real shame, because at the right price point and with some decent returns of Metriod and Zelda I would really consider buying the Wii U as a second console, I guess I just have to play the waiting game.
Someone please remind me, why is HD important again? Seriously Nintendo, stop going down the dead end route that Sony and Microsoft are stumbling toward. You'll never be the most powerful and in the process you're just making everything harder and more expensive, which in turn means fewer and less risky games.
Well.
On the one hand, that is bad news for them.
But on the other, they do stand to benefit from Microsoft's ill-fated "PR is where you anger as many people as possible, right?" strategy, and games do sell a system. I like the possibilities that the Wii U represents, but I got burned on its predecessor quite hard, so it's going to take some very spirited convincing in order to sway me- and I'm afraid it will only be after I've purchased a PS4.
On the one hand, that is bad news for them.
But on the other, they do stand to benefit from Microsoft's ill-fated "PR is where you anger as many people as possible, right?" strategy, and games do sell a system. I like the possibilities that the Wii U represents, but I got burned on its predecessor quite hard, so it's going to take some very spirited convincing in order to sway me- and I'm afraid it will only be after I've purchased a PS4.
My thoughts exactly. Being HD isn't integral to being a good game. To be honest, looking at the screens of the Wind Waker remake, I think it actually *loses* something in shifting over to HD graphics. Granted, some games can benefit from it, but I don't know why it's thought to be a necessity.OlasDAlmighty said:
I... you... are you serious?Roxor said:
No really, are you serious because I certainly can't say if this is sarcasm or not.
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Well yeah, it's obvious the underestimated it considering the slow released and delay of some games.
But I doubt it's like some people saying that they didn't do any research. It's hard to make a 100% accurate estimation of the manpower you need to make a game.
Especially if you look at games like AssCreed that had 500+ developer working on a single game.
Nintendo is known for having smaller teams working on games, not huge teams (except Retro during the Prime development).
Also, coupled with this news [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/125717-Satoru-Iwata-Refuses-to-Layoff-Nintendo-Employees], it's obvious that they didn't want to overestimate the size of the team needed.
You don't want to find new employees just so that you can fire them in 3 months.
OK, seriously? It's not the resolution.Roxor said:
'HD' is not merely a higher resolution. IT's all the extra texture and model details needed because of the extra resolution.
Try running a game from 2000 or so at 1280 by 1024 or higher on a PC... They don't have the detail compared to 'HD' games...
Resolution is simply an easy label to use to describe a massive increase in graphical detail level. (And cost in making graphical resources is more or less proportional to the amount of detail involved.)
Not to mention BLu-Ray is a *transitional* storage medium. Solid State or large streaming services is considered more the future (think how cheap gigs are on external drives you could fit in say a generous pocket) particularly with interaction and the control over software Digital distribution offers that physical media always seems to undermine by virtue of example.CrystalShadow said:
Yeah they likely didn't pay direct attention to other HD studios but look closely at how much they've mimicked their failings. If anything shoddy production/output is the more likely than slowed output and they have nothing to do with currently capable developers and publishers outright jumping ship on them starting with Ubisoft which *happily* profited from Rabbids again, and again, and again, and again on the Wii and even enjoyed some success on ZombiU. even in the lead up to the WiiU's release they did a massive drive but as for "this is going to take more manpower" yeah I can understand that hitting them.
It seems the story is that Western Development is the way it is in part due to laziness. There are large collaborative projects people will cite as proof. The differing time/shift expectiations, the style of development, and the overall cultural aspects.
There is also something else. Nintendo can't win this on the tech treadmill but with a good market strategy and in terms of offering solid past performers. They are offering excellent doses of that.
It isn't integral, but TVs nowadays are produced with either only an HDMI port or component cables and more and more TVs are moving away from SD so Nintendo was going to have to change eventually. Unfortunately MS set the standard for HD and having consoles be in HD so Nintendo would have to have no other choice but to eventually change.OlasDAlmighty said:
Nintendo should have done at least some research into this in the past as they had plenty of opportunity to do so.
Mmm interrestingly next gen hasn't really made game installations that much huger. I mean GTA IV was about 10. GTA V probably will also be around 10. So storage wise isn't that much huger.
That aside, yeah HD takes more.. that is why stylized graphics was so much easier. It didn't have to look real as long as you could give it a nice style!
But yes even then just stretching graphics doesn't do it does it. I do hope Nintendo does work things out, they are important on the games market.
That aside, yeah HD takes more.. that is why stylized graphics was so much easier. It didn't have to look real as long as you could give it a nice style!
But yes even then just stretching graphics doesn't do it does it. I do hope Nintendo does work things out, they are important on the games market.
This is rather unfortunate. I hope they get themselves sorted out so that the WiiU will be a lot better for when I decide to go and buy it. Just needs a few exclusives to release, then we're good, but it needs to survive afterwards. I love Nintendo, so I pray it all turns out fine in the end
Umm... the WiiU uses Blu-Ray.IshimaruHayato said:
OT: I have to hand it to them for their honesty, though I can't help but wonder if this is a distraction from the fact that a lot of games still aren't out, and this must be an admission that a lot are going to take even longer to develop. Oh well, you shiv and burn.
I still support my purchase of the WiiU and am giddy every time I boot it up seeing new titles on the WiiUshop every day
