Nintendo: "We Have to do Better When We Launch NX"

[wulfy42]

Wait....The next Zelda isn't coming out on the Wii U anymore?

Isn't that one of the main reasons anyone who likes RPGs got the system in the first place?

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

That's what I'm saying. You can't fault a company on your own ignorance.

Yes you can. That's what Marketing Depertments are for. The Wii had the same problem. Most 3rd party games on Nintendo console have a super hard time selling, and the Wii sold like crack.

CNN legit reported that the Wii U was an attachment for the Wii when it was first announced.

Its not the fault of the consumer for not knowing Nintendo's 3rd party library as well as an indie PC title on Steam.

I don't know how you can say that with a straight with Nintendo STILL not telling us what the hell the NX is or how Battleborn gave us a master class in how to mess up marketing.

Game's being great games doesn't seem help them sell on Nintendo consoles like they do on other platforms unless they're 1st party and even then its dodgy.

Nintendo does need to do better when they launch the NX, and they're already kinda behind in that respect. They also need to do better post-launch. Big time.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

What I am saying is open yourself to more third party, release more games than the two staples that you've milked for 20 odd years. Get more first party, more third party ... be a competitor instead a Mario and Zelda machine.Might actually buy a nintendo product then

I listed plenty of games outside those two staples. As I said. Just because YOU PERSONALLY haven't heard of those titles, doesn't mean that they're not very popular among gamers. It's very presumptuous to assume that's the case.

I'm assuming that you don't own a Wii U, nor do you want one. So you wouldn't be looking for games on the console. So it's safe to assume that you'd ignore anything to do with games on the Wii U.

Also, have you ever thought about the possibility that people still WANT new Mario, Zelda and Pokemon titles? And that's probably why they still sell so well?

You're totally missing my point! I KNOW there are more than two games but they never advertise the fact!

Yup. This. With the amount of hype we've seen video games get over the last 5 years (and becoming a bigger entertainment market than movies or music) Its rare to hear about Nintendo games that aren't 30+ year old franchises. And a lot of those 30+ year old franchises haven't been treated well in the last 10 years.

 

[omega 616]

What I am saying is open yourself to more third party, release more games than the two staples that you've milked for 20 odd years. Get more first party, more third party ... be a competitor instead a Mario and Zelda machine.Might actually buy a nintendo product then

I listed plenty of games outside those two staples. As I said. Just because YOU PERSONALLY haven't heard of those titles, doesn't mean that they're not very popular among gamers. It's very presumptuous to assume that's the case.

I'm assuming that you don't own a Wii U, nor do you want one. So you wouldn't be looking for games on the console. So it's safe to assume that you'd ignore anything to do with games on the Wii U.

Also, have you ever thought about the possibility that people still WANT new Mario, Zelda and Pokemon titles? And that's probably why they still sell so well?

You're totally missing my point! I KNOW there are more than two games but they never advertise the fact!

Yup. This. With the amount of hype we've seen video games get over the last 5 years (and becoming a bigger entertainment market than movies or music) Its rare to hear about Nintendo games that aren't 30+ year old franchises. And a lot of those 30+ year old franchises haven't been treated well in the last 10 years.

Thank you.

Honestly, I think nintendo should be the home of the indie game! I think it suits it, since a lot of indie or none AAA games kind of fit in that ecosystem.

Things like grow home/up, flower, journey, abzu, limbo, tear away, hohokum, katamari damacy ... these stylised cartoony games, there are loads of them! Bit trip runner, bastion, counter spy, broken age, don't starve (it's essentially Animal crossing), dragon fin soup, Dust: and elysian tale, entwined, escape plan, fat princess (adventures), flame over, futuridium, furi, nom nom galaxy, pixel junk shooter, pix the cat, road not taken, shutshimi ...

Instead some of the games they have are assassins creed, arkham city and mass effect 3? Leave Sony and Microsoft to handle that shit, the stuff that requires some muscle to run. If Nintendo had just threw money at small indie teams, I think they could have made A LOT of cash back.

(disclaimer, some of the games I listed could very well be on a nintendo console but I have never owned a nintendo console. Had a colour and DS though ... wish I knew where they were)

 

[Vigormortis]

Tell ya what, Reggie. You get Ninty to do the following and you'll have my interest again.

1: Have the NX NOT built on antiquated hardware from 2006.
2: Aim for a price point below $300USD.
3: You can have your gimmick-y bullshit, but don't build it into the core of the console.
4: Resurrect the Metroid Prime series with a good new entry.
5: Resurrect the Paper Mario/Mario RPG series with a good new entry.
6: Stop giving the finger to 3rd party devs, LPers, and your fans. i.o.w. Stop being pricks.

Do these and you'll have my consideration on buying an NX. Otherwise? Well...you can fuck right off.

 

[omega 616]

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All I am getting from you is Nintendo apologist, instead of trying to make nintendo better, you just apologise and make up excuses for them.

Fact is I don't watch adverts nearly at all, tv and such but I still catch gears adverts, uncharted adverts, halo etc what games can I name from E3 Nintendo? Zelda and pokemon ... can't even remember any others.

You also got the wrong end of the stick with seeing xbox games advertised all the time. I watch "gameranx" on youtube, they have videos like up coming stealth games (was their last one) and in the bottom corner they have "out on PC, PS4 and XB1" or whatever the fuck ... almost none of the say wii, wiiu or a nintendo handheld.

All nintendo do is call on Mario and zelda to for consoles and pokemon on handhelds. They're like "HEY! NEW SYSTEM! NEW MARIO! NEW ZELDA! [small]we also have some other games that kind of don't matter[/small]" then when the interviewer asks about what he just mumbled he starts with "but you saw that Zelda, right!?".

I could go and look it up but it's up to the company to tell me, I think their marketing is crap. I think they feel, "we are so ingrained in the gaming culture, people will just buy from us, especially if we just keep pumping out mario, pokemon and zelda every so often".

Just an example, type into google "wiiu games" top 10 results, smash bro, splatoon, Mario Kart, Mario maker, Mario 3d world, Pokken, star fox, tokyo mirage session, minecraft and zelda: wind waker ... 11 was bayonetta 2.

So top 10 is 4 mario (I am counting smash bro 'cos that's Mario and Luigi) games, 1 zelda, another blast from the past with star fox, pokken which is just tekken meets pokemon and minecraft, which sells like cookies outside a stoners house. tokyo mirage session is Shin Megami Tensei franchise with characters from Nintendo's Fire Emblem series.

So the only original IP is splatoon ...?

So even if Nintendo does have more than 3 franchises, nobody gives a fuck and just uses it as a Mario machine.

 

[Elvis Starburst]

They then launched the DS, the first console with a touch screen. Did poorly.
Then came the Wii and non-one bought it.
Then came the 3DS, the first console to feature 3D and without glasses. Also a major failure.
So it's clear that all attempts at innovation have failed, while launching comparable hardware has never failed.

What kind of numbers did you read to come to this conclusion? XD Just give this link a look [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles], the DS is the 2nd best selling gaming system in history at 154 million units. The 3DS didn't do as well as the other two, but the Wii and DS are in the top 5 best selling game systems world wide. That was a google search away. Just a tiiiiiiiiiiiny bit of research. We can try to bash Nintendo for being the company that nobody likes these days, but they sold an insane amount of systems and games with their ideas. There's a reason Microsoft and Sony tried to copy Nintendo with the Kinect and PS Move. It's cause Nintendo was fucking them in the ass in sales!

They do have their downs though. Virtual Boy, the first year of the 3DS sales, the Wii U... It happens. It most certainly happens.

Edit: If you mean at launch specifically, then I'd like to see some articles and/or numbers for that too. But the PS3 also had a hard time at launch too, if I recall correctly

 

[Cold Shiny]

When Nintendo dies, gaming dies.

Yeah, gaming might live on in the indie scene, but with Microsoft and Sony running the show, its gonna be nothing but low content, massive amounts of DLC, micro-transactions, buggy games, and grey shooters.

Is Nintendo perfect? Of course not. They are still the only major gaming company whose games are playable when they are released. They are also the only ones who don't cut their games up into millions of little pieces to be sold individually.

When Nintendo dies, I'm going all PC, indies are the only people who can be trusted to make actual games anymore, instead of "platforms" to sell content.

Get used to what happened with Street Fighter 5, that's gonna be the norm.

 

[bluegate]

When Nintendo dies, gaming dies.

Looking at how many people actually care about Nintendo consoles compared to other consoles, I would say that you might be wrong.

Gaming seems to be doing just fine without Nintendo around.

 

[Yopaz]

It also looked like a purple lunchbox and the 2 biggest showpiece games for it were the Mario game were you clean shit and the cartoony Zelda. In 2001. Need I remind you what was the overwhelmingly popular aesthetic both in hardware and in software at the time? With the early '00s edginess, that was, quite possibly, the worst time in gaming history to release a console like that.

Most kids actually thought the the GC was weaker, because they didn't show it off with "realistic" games and focused mainly on Nintendo properties, that were all colourful and stylised.

Doesn't change facts though. Launched at a lower price point with more power than the PS2, still did terribly. Now you bring up games as important. Well DUH! Of course games are important. To summarize what you said here: Hardware isn't all that matters.

3DS sold like crap on launch. The gimmick itself didn't prove popular at all, unlike the Wii or DS. It wasn't until the first price drop it took off. And it still sold horribly compared to the DS, due in no small part to mobile gaming eating its lunch.

Oh and the more powerful PS Vita did much better, right? It now holds the majority of the handheld market? No?

And even when Nintendo tried to do comparable hardware, they still managed to fuck up in some way or another. The GC had miniDVD's, which meant the storage space was a 1/3 compared to PS2/Xbox. They did this literally right after the N64 had the same exact issue with it's pathetically small cartridges, making that an absolute pain to develop for, while the PS1 used CDs.

You'd have to go back to the SNES to find a comparatively strong Nintendo console that didn't handicap itself in a stupid manner.

The cartridges had one major disadvantage and that was production cost. CDs on the other hand was a terrible medium for something as heavy as games because of the loading times. The Chrono Trigger released on PS1 had longer loading times than the one released on SNES, a much weaker console. Mass production was easier, the games could be cheaper and that was the advantage. Saying that Nintendo crippled themselves when they did in fact have some advantages is an exaggeration at best. It's also cute that you think that the mobile market is overtaking the handheld gaming market. Did you get that one from Sony? Very few mobile games hold a cancle towards anything you find on the two dedicated handheld platforms and none of the phones offer a comfortable grip and controller scheme without getting extra equipment to drag around. Also if what you say is correct: gamers don't like gimmicks.

You also completely missed my point or you intentionally changed the subject in order to be right. Nintendo hasn't been successful with comparabable hardware since the SNES. They have had three successful gimmicks in a row with one flop. They had two consoles with compareable hardware in a row that flopped. I have not once claimed that hardware is irrelevant, I am claiming it takes more than just hardware. I mentioned an example of this, you strengthened my case by explaining why hardware isn't enough.
Edit: After I posted I realized you pointed out the sarcasm in my post, thanks for that. I might disagree with you on things, but at least you're someone I can respectfully disagree with.

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They did that with the GameCube, it was more powerful than the PS2 and launched at a lower price if I remember correctly (I might not it's been a long while) and we all saw how that went. It was a major success and Nintendo was swimming in money from the massive sales.

They then launched the DS, the first console with a touch screen. Did poorly.
Then came the Wii and non-one bought it.
Then came the 3DS, the first console to feature 3D and without glasses. Also a major failure.
So it's clear that all attempts at innovation have failed, while launching comparable hardware has never failed.

Yeah, you do not remember that correctly, because as much successful the GameCube had it competed with the PS2, who crushed it and the Xbox like bugs leading Nintendo to see it as a failure, its games did get cult followings, but it was already too late for that.
Then the DS was a failure... WHAT?!
No one bought an Wii, this one I can kind of understand as there were supply shortages in America that were not resolved until 2009, but still, the DS and Wii sold like water.
And the 3DS did initally sell poorly (mainly because of the second analog stick), but the sales did eventually ramp up and crushed the Vita as IGN had brilliantly predicted it would not happen.

Sarcasm dude. I tried to make it obvious. The gameCube was a financial failure. The DS, 3DS and Wii were financial successes. Sarcasm is when you say one thing and mean something else. Do you feel smart for correcting me?

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Congratulations on missing my point, join the proud group. I am saying that there is more to a console than its hardware. Nintendo has been successful when they do their own thing and unsuccessful in competing with the rest. You are of course correct that they need third party support. I didn't mention that because this was a discussion about how Nintendo lost because of bad hardware and a forced gimmick. That is the only point I am trying to make, don't bring up games, I would have too if this wasn't about hardware and gimmicks.

They then launched the DS, the first console with a touch screen. Did poorly.
Then came the Wii and non-one bought it.
Then came the 3DS, the first console to feature 3D and without glasses. Also a major failure.
So it's clear that all attempts at innovation have failed, while launching comparable hardware has never failed.

What kind of numbers did you read to come to this conclusion? XD Just give this link a look [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles], the DS is the 2nd best selling gaming system in history at 154 million units. The 3DS didn't do as well as the other two, but the Wii and DS are in the top 5 best selling game systems world wide. That was a google search away. Just a tiiiiiiiiiiiny bit of research. We can try to bash Nintendo for being the company that nobody likes these days, but they sold an insane amount of systems and games with their ideas. There's a reason Microsoft and Sony tried to copy Nintendo with the Kinect and PS Move. It's cause Nintendo was fucking them in the ass in sales!

They do have their downs though. Virtual Boy, the first year of the 3DS sales, the Wii U... It happens. It most certainly happens.

Edit: If you mean at launch specifically, then I'd like to see some articles and/or numbers for that too. But the PS3 also had a hard time at launch too, if I recall correctly

You and Igor-Rowan should get together and form the "I don't understand sarcasm club". I am completely aware of that the GameCube with its relatively strong hardware was a disaster. The DS, 3DS and Wii were quite successful. You should take a look at this: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sarcasm I guess you also feel smart in correcting me?

 

[fix-the-spade]

Congratulations on missing my point, join the proud group.

Given that apparently nobody understood your 'point,' perhaps you should spend a little more time communicating and a little less time condescending.

 

[Elvis Starburst]

You and Igor-Rowan should get together and form the "I don't understand sarcasm club". I am completely aware of that the GameCube with its relatively strong hardware was a disaster. The DS, 3DS and Wii were quite successful. You should take a look at this: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sarcasm I guess you also feel smart in correcting me?

Hey smartass, let me tell you a little internet secret. Sarcasm is pretty hard to get across on the internet through text. And considering that people are stupid enough to say what you said with a perfectly straight face and believe it, I don't know why you're surprised. Of course, other people might notice it easier than some, me being one of them that didn't notice. Either that's a failing on my part, or as I said... Sarcasm is not super easy to convey. Probably a lot of the latter, considering you wanna act funny that several users didn't see it

He was being facetious, he was sarcastically pointing out how Nintendo at its most gimmicky was the most successful, ala Wii, DS, 3DS while the GameCube sold like crap.

How come this many people missed the sarcasm? It's not like it isn't blatant.

See the above!

 

[Elvis Starburst]

Given that apparently nobody understood your 'point,' perhaps you should spend a little more time communicating and a little less time condescending.

No kidding... People say these sorts of things with the firm belief they are correct. It's not hard to fall for such a stance if it's played as a joke

 

[omega 616]

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Not trying to invalidate anything. Just think you have rose tinted glasses from when Mario/nintendo was something to be excited about, instead of something that indie games can now beat.

I doubt anybody is more critical of Nintendo than me, I think they are living off nostalgia, haven't released a great game since I'd guess Mario 64, can't market to save their fucking lives ... if you can't get the message across that WiiU is a totally different console to Wii, you fucked up.

Firstly the name, Wii to WiiU? Who thought that was a good idea (to be honest, who thought Wii was good?)? Then you didn't push out the message it was a new console, people thinking it was an extension of the Wii. lastly, I saw adverts for xbox, PS4 and Wii but not a single one for WiiU. They can't market at all.

All I am giving is opinions, I am fairly into games and spend a lot of time on this site and youtube gaming channels (such as the know and gameranx) which do gaming news and stuff, so I get info about up coming games and nintendo hardly ever feature in any of them! So If I'm thinking "all nintendo are is the place to play Mario" then you need to work on marketing 'cos if somebody into gaming thinks that, then the very casual player is going to assume that, then think "I can play COD and all these other games on PS4 and Xbox, but all I can really play on Nintendo is mario .. fuck nintendo". That's an assumption but that's what I'd think.

Who are the smash bro's? 'cos I didn't think Kirby and Zelda have the same mother, if they are, I would hate to see their dads!

No, I assume the only games on Nintendo consoles are mario and zelda. I have said about 3 times, that I know there are other games but these two are the only ones Nintendo push. Why am I repeating this bit?

I am assuming that, of course if you're balls deep in Nintendo like you are, then you're going to know more but from somebody who is into gaming but not into Nintendo, they do NOTHING to sell themselves to me.

No, I am talking for me. I don't represent anybody. I am giving MY and only MY opinion of Nintendo.

Well yeah 'cos super Mario bro's was just Mario and Luigi ... are there any other bro's? Seriously asking.

It's not always about advertisements, they can market games at E3 or pump out more games, so that their consoles show up in more youtube videos. Such as gameranx putting WiiU next to PC, PS4 and Xbox in the list of places the game will be available on. More than one way to market.

My point is that's all they push but they have other games that aren't original IP and it's all Nintendo bank on. Producing things people know to milk it into oblivion (I even say it at the start of this post, look "I think they are living off nostalgia"). So they either make a straight game, like another Mario (same game for 30 years, move from the left to the right or in a 3D space doing the same shit) or they now smash two (or more) properties together to make a "new" game. Which is why it makes me laugh when people say COD gets milked.

It does support it but you just don't understand my point, top 10 and 4 feature the same fucker and my argument is Nintendo only ship Mario and Zelda (who features once in the top 10, so half the top 10 is made up of two characters) ... imagine if all 4 uncharted games came out on PS3 with very few other games. WiiU has 99 games in shops in USA, ps3 has 1024. So to scale it, ps3 had like 40 games with Nathan Drake in them, it's an absurd number.

Actually, I just picked top ten 'cos I wasn't going to go through all 99 games, it's just not worth it. I'm pretty sure top 10 by popularity is a good indicator of how popular something is ...

I visit the escapist and all my youtube subscriptions are gaming related, if I am not getting Nintendo news, that's Nintendo's fault 'cos like I've been saying over and over again, they can't market!

 

[omega 616]

Not trying to invalidate anything. Just think you have rose tinted glasses from when Mario/nintendo was something to be excited about, instead of something that indie games can now beat.

I doubt anybody is more critical of Nintendo than me, I think they are living off nostalgia, haven't released a great game since I'd guess Mario 64

Aside from the last paragraph, I stopped reading right about here. Just because, there are so many flaws and holes in your statements that you're doing so much damage to your argument. I'm not sure if it's a language barrier thing or what. But you're really coming across as if you think everyone shares your exact opinion.

First paragraph is INCREDIBLY presumptuous. Flat out. I don't need to say anything more.

Second paragraph is not only presumptuous, but it's also blatantly false. I actually showed you 9 critically acclaimed Wii U games. 6 of which are IPs new to 7th generation of consoles or higher. I'm sure you know how nostalgia works. It's pretty impossible to feel nostalgia for new products.

Besides, I know you don't own a Wii U. And it's a safe bet to say you've never looked at or played any of these games, considering your posts. You literally can't hold an opinion of these games, considering you've never even seen gameplay of them. You're just ASSUMING they're bad. Once again, congratulations on staying consistent.

I visit the escapist and all my youtube subscriptions are gaming related, if I am not getting Nintendo news, that's Nintendo's fault 'cos like I've been saying over and over again, they can't market!

You're currently making a post on a thread of a news article about Nintendo... Kind of hard to say "I'm not getting Nintendo news" here, isn't it?

Oh, and I just thought. If you watch anything to do with any kind of gaming convention (Pax, E3, Gamescom etc). But you're missing anything to do with Nintendo. Then it's because you're intentionally avoiding Nintendo related content.

Which brings me back to my original point!

You can't fault the company on your own personal ignorance!!

No, you're just not getting my point and I have said multiple times, it's my opinions and that I am not speaking for anybody else. Need to go and actually read what I said. Even in the first quote box "I think" it's not a statement of fact, it's an opinion.

Skipping the rest of it 'cos you obviously did, which is why you're missing my point.

You're currently making a post on a thread of a news article about Nintendo... Kind of hard to say "I'm not getting Nintendo news" here, isn't it?

Exactly, so I am reading and keeping up with Nintendo news and still think this. Stop being so in love with Nintendo that you can't see their obvious flaws.

Look, here is a guess ... 6 or so years after NX Nintendo will release a new console with an equally stupid name, they will announce it with at least Mario and maybe a Zelda. Mark my words, hope I am wrong but I doubt it.