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I don't find either incomprehensible, but I understand why you do. But one think I don't understand is why bestiality is illegal. I mean, sure it's bad to rend Fido's [expletive deleted] open with your throbbing [expletive deleted] and [expletive deleted] his [expletive deleted] until you're both covered in [expletive deleted], but we already have laws against animal abuse that covers that sort of torture. Like it or not, there are ways to have sex with animals that don't hurt anyone, least of all the animal. I thought we as a society had generally gotten over the notion that gross stuff should be illegal, which is why viagra is legal even though it means your grandpa gets to [expletive del- *is smacked by thread gods* ok I'll stop that...OctoH said:
But I mean, it's just sex. What's the fuss about?
I wouldn't call argument a science so much as an art, nor would I call a ray gun science so much as technology, but I would call that scenario hilarious and us both in violation of the edict to not derail shit. So in the spirit of things I offer this:Deviate said:
FUCK THE POLICE
Music:
Learn to accept personal taste, what moves you might not move another, they might get their inspiration somewhere else. Personally music has never moved me, its nice in the background. To me its never been more than an addition to the scenery i live my life by. Ive never learned an instrument and have never felt any need to. Theres nothing wrong with this, its a taste, just like i cant listen to drum n bass, rapping, or techno and classical bores me. Deal with it.
Crime:
Most smaller crimes are caused not by the need to ruin someone elses stuff, but by the personal need, or a personal rush. Sometimes its to seek revenge on someone, or to cause harm to someone they greatly dislike. Often these people are psychologically challenged, it could be they were pressured into it by someone else, and that person was pressured into it and so on and so on as a big cycle. People can be pushed into it because they have nowhere else to turn or because in order to achieve something they have a great desire for they are compelled to crime. Personally i was born into, and my parents raised in, a place where crime is a big problem and most of it racially stirred. and the crime here often causes crime, while a lot of it is simply done to achieve respect.
Religion:
Faith is something that easy to explain. Most people are religious because they are raised that way. Which can make it difficult to lose, even when the logic is there.
People also become religious in order to calm or ease themselves from difficult realizations or unanswerable questions. The most obvious of these being what happens after death, having the possibility that there is nothing after life and that once it end you cease to be is a very scary idea to deal with, and to a lot makes life seem pointless. Since science has yet to give people somewhere to go after death the atheist view is bleak, scary and frankly disappointing to many (speaking as an atheist myself).
Dying Hair:
Easy, some people really dont like their hair colour. Personally i don't dye mine, but honestly thats because im lazy and cant be bothered. I dont like my hair colour its a really dull brown colour and it looks horrible. Changing your hair colour is the simplest way to change your appearance, its as normal to me as changing your clothes, since your hair eventually turns its normal colour again when it grows and the dye fades its only temporary. And i would certainly not couple this with implants when your making and argument, that goes in my next bit.
Inserting foreign objects into your body:
Ranging from piercings to implants to tattoos; this one does actually confuse me, other than the cultural aspects of it the only reason i can think of it is to make you appear just that little bit more unique. Although i understand the appeal of piercings slightly more, as if you want you can take them out and they heal over, i just don't understand the point of doing it to begin with.
Infant Circumcision:
You got me here, all i can say is cultural reasons...
But ill stop explain now and say when i cant understand:
People who betray friends.
Okay, so its not a massive thing that consumes the world, and it sounds like some lame facebook status, but truly, i cant understand why someone would disregard the feelings or wellbeing of someone they deem their friend. To me it just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Learn to accept personal taste, what moves you might not move another, they might get their inspiration somewhere else. Personally music has never moved me, its nice in the background. To me its never been more than an addition to the scenery i live my life by. Ive never learned an instrument and have never felt any need to. Theres nothing wrong with this, its a taste, just like i cant listen to drum n bass, rapping, or techno and classical bores me. Deal with it.
Crime:
Most smaller crimes are caused not by the need to ruin someone elses stuff, but by the personal need, or a personal rush. Sometimes its to seek revenge on someone, or to cause harm to someone they greatly dislike. Often these people are psychologically challenged, it could be they were pressured into it by someone else, and that person was pressured into it and so on and so on as a big cycle. People can be pushed into it because they have nowhere else to turn or because in order to achieve something they have a great desire for they are compelled to crime. Personally i was born into, and my parents raised in, a place where crime is a big problem and most of it racially stirred. and the crime here often causes crime, while a lot of it is simply done to achieve respect.
Religion:
Faith is something that easy to explain. Most people are religious because they are raised that way. Which can make it difficult to lose, even when the logic is there.
People also become religious in order to calm or ease themselves from difficult realizations or unanswerable questions. The most obvious of these being what happens after death, having the possibility that there is nothing after life and that once it end you cease to be is a very scary idea to deal with, and to a lot makes life seem pointless. Since science has yet to give people somewhere to go after death the atheist view is bleak, scary and frankly disappointing to many (speaking as an atheist myself).
Dying Hair:
Easy, some people really dont like their hair colour. Personally i don't dye mine, but honestly thats because im lazy and cant be bothered. I dont like my hair colour its a really dull brown colour and it looks horrible. Changing your hair colour is the simplest way to change your appearance, its as normal to me as changing your clothes, since your hair eventually turns its normal colour again when it grows and the dye fades its only temporary. And i would certainly not couple this with implants when your making and argument, that goes in my next bit.
Inserting foreign objects into your body:
Ranging from piercings to implants to tattoos; this one does actually confuse me, other than the cultural aspects of it the only reason i can think of it is to make you appear just that little bit more unique. Although i understand the appeal of piercings slightly more, as if you want you can take them out and they heal over, i just don't understand the point of doing it to begin with.
Infant Circumcision:
You got me here, all i can say is cultural reasons...
But ill stop explain now and say when i cant understand:
People who betray friends.
Okay, so its not a massive thing that consumes the world, and it sounds like some lame facebook status, but truly, i cant understand why someone would disregard the feelings or wellbeing of someone they deem their friend. To me it just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
I just want to squeeze into this conversation here...Sinclair Solutions said:
I've been studying some pretty desperate places in my Anthropology class, and they're a lot more desperate than you or I have any familiarity with. Dirt floor and banana shingle roofs, they flooded my farm and killed my livestock and expected me to survive kind of desperate. People in places like that believe in religion for 2 reasons. 1) Because there has to be some place, even if it's after this life, where their children won't die of starvation or any number of entirely treatable (diseases we have all but eradicated in the Western World) illnesses, and 2) There has to be some place, even if it's after this life, where the people who did good will be rewarded and the people who did evil (who did all the things that ruined their lives) will be punished.
Because it's hard to go on in places like that when you don't have at least that to believe in.
People who hate other peoples stuff and state their opinion as fact. You are not some superior being so be quiet. I'll like the stuff I want to like and you like your stuff.
Second thing is the more controversial one.
That people can still believe in the Christian God who is apparently benevolent, omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. It means he loves us but will let us suffer. He is all powerful but still has to battle with Satan. He is all knowing and everywhere but does nothing to stop evil.
I specified Christian God because many other belief systems have several Gods each with personalities and prone to emotional acts. Think of the Norse Gods. They just didn't care massively about humanity. It makes evil so much easier to explain.
Second thing is the more controversial one.
That people can still believe in the Christian God who is apparently benevolent, omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. It means he loves us but will let us suffer. He is all powerful but still has to battle with Satan. He is all knowing and everywhere but does nothing to stop evil.
I specified Christian God because many other belief systems have several Gods each with personalities and prone to emotional acts. Think of the Norse Gods. They just didn't care massively about humanity. It makes evil so much easier to explain.
Rascism.
Now, I don't mean stereotypes and the like, those are often funny and, well, they usually have a basis in truth. No, I mean the people who honestly think they're better than others purely based on skin color. The sort of people who are worried that America will be overrun, not with illegal immigrants who don't pay taxes and need health care (which I get), but with Mexicans. As if a shift in our country's skin color is, in and of itself, a bad thing, as if the people who live here won't, no matter where they come from originally, learn to speak English just as accurately as everyone else and be able to fill every role in society going forward, each individual according to his talents and work ethic.
Yep. Just don't get it.
Now, I don't mean stereotypes and the like, those are often funny and, well, they usually have a basis in truth. No, I mean the people who honestly think they're better than others purely based on skin color. The sort of people who are worried that America will be overrun, not with illegal immigrants who don't pay taxes and need health care (which I get), but with Mexicans. As if a shift in our country's skin color is, in and of itself, a bad thing, as if the people who live here won't, no matter where they come from originally, learn to speak English just as accurately as everyone else and be able to fill every role in society going forward, each individual according to his talents and work ethic.
Yep. Just don't get it.
I was circumcised and I generally like the way my wiener looks much more than I would without the skin. Other than that, I still am angry at my parents for allowing some strange man to get that close to Testy and the Testicles with a sharp object.James Mann said:
Soods said:
It's not precisely Pascal's wager, but it's the same idea, and it has the same problem. Do I get to post this video now?SL33TBL1ND said:
One of my favorite rebuttals to any apologetic ever. Dat soundtrack... He and QuailaSoup too. They're awesome.
A wonderful addition! Thank you so much!conflictofinterests said:
Now, could we really tell these people that they are being weak-willed? Silly? Idiotic? For giving themselves this comfort. I would never do so, for it gives them the hope to live, to keep going in a situation that seems utterly hopeless.
I really can't wrap my mind around how people can't, or simply don't want to accept logic. And please, no Aethist supporters, not believing in something doesn't equal logic. I'm talking about basic aspects of things like, why people commit crimes, why people can't see both sides of a problem, and why people want to act like ignorant imbeciles just so they don't have to be wrong.
Erm, pardon me if I'm misunderstanding this, but why is the fact that you can't prove religion even an argument? Many religions by definition are based on faith alone and to prove it would be to go against the point. The origin of major religions may be unknown and therefore, there's no logical reason to have an opinion of it regarding its validity. Religion serves as a reference point for morals and ethics, and it often gives people optimism that they otherwise wouldn't have. Some people need a religion to help deal with the facts of reality, and some people can use religion to help out a community. The misuse and the misunderstanding of religion is the problem itself, not the fact that it exists and people follow it. Ultraconservative ideals pushed out by a few particular louder members are sometimes frustrating, maybe, but they actually DO have a higher moral ground than atheists. The reasoning is that we can't actually know any facts about the universe, only our perceptions of them and the definitions we've created. The one exception is cogito ergo sum and that barely qualifies. Without this sort of objective reasoning, morality and ethics don't actually exist. Religion, whether you like it or not, has its place in society and is a logical decision to make despite the lack of reasoning behind it. For the record, I'm not religious.
Oh, and I don't understand people who are "addicted to facebook."
I mean I use it about twice a day to check up on my D&D group and my organised events, and maybe sometimes to chat to a friend and share a song on youtube, but how could you do this for more than 10 minutes? It's just like checking an email.
Oh, and I don't understand people who are "addicted to facebook."
I mean I use it about twice a day to check up on my D&D group and my organised events, and maybe sometimes to chat to a friend and share a song on youtube, but how could you do this for more than 10 minutes? It's just like checking an email.
People who are horrible to their kids. This ranges from parents who punish their children with physical violence, to parents who disown their children, to parents who just don't care, to parents who expect the government to do their job for them. I absolutely cannot understand people like this, and I cannot tolerate them, no matter how hard I try.
In a way that bidding your dog to fetch your slippers is not? Or is fetch violating the dog's rights as well? My point is that if it's a mutually enjoyed experience - or really just as long as the animal in question isn't much begrudged by it - then it's not harmful. It's not in violation of any right that I can see being reasonably attributed to an animal either.cgaWolf said:
I was never circumcised and im plenty happy with how mine looks. Which is partly my point, other than aesthetics, it serves very little purpose. I mean, it helps with the rare extreme cases of certain conditions, but seems hardly worth the precaution of lopping off a portion of your anatomy.JoesshittyOs said:
I'll start with the last part... Tradition pretty much pointless. Helped them through bad times, God doesn't help you through that only you can fix that shit. I Judged them because it was completely annoying to listen to their shit for hours when I didn't want to be there at all.Sinclair Solutions said:
I come off a bit pissed off when it comes to religion because my mom was heavily into the shit to the point where she would blast gospel music in 2 in the fucking morning to help her faith and all that led to was us getting evicted from our home. So seeing how faith bring about nothing as a young child pretty made sure that I can't believe in it at all.
Then I was forced to go to a church go to a church and deal with people I didn't care this was after I got put on the street and was forced to live with my brother's idiot girlfriend. She was such a hypocrite when it came to religion and overall I just couldn't stand how smug she was toward me because I didn't want to go to church.
But I am also a little over 1/4 Dutch. Are you 1/4 intolerant of me? ;_;summerof2010 said:
(Grandma moved to the US from the Netherlands with her mom, making me second generation)