No Right Answer: Best Batman Villain Ever
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Nice to see at least one of you guys is going to be at the Escapist Expo. Curious as to why Kyle and/or Dan isn't going as well, but at least I'll meet one of you. I look forward to explaining in monotonous detail why Chris has been wrong in every debate he's been in so far. (Don't worry, that was a joke.)
As for the episode, I personally prefer the Riddler. He, to me, seems to be the more interesting and often more fun villain. Of course, I'm not a big bat-man person. I haven't read Hush or pretty much any comic with the Bat in it.
As for the episode, I personally prefer the Riddler. He, to me, seems to be the more interesting and often more fun villain. Of course, I'm not a big bat-man person. I haven't read Hush or pretty much any comic with the Bat in it.
I do like the Riddler a lot because he uses his brains and is not insane. I would say Poison Ivy is my favorite because she is just purely obsessed with plants and Feminism.
As for 2 face he's just a guy that has 2 personalities that snapped due to the stress of his ideals of absolutes. kinda hits close to home to me honestly.
I personally don't like the Joker at all I really don't like the last guy who did the Joker in that movie. I really think if he lived he wouldn't have been nominated for the Oscar let a lone when it. I don't remember him every laughing and if I can't remember, it wasn't good.
I did look Dark Knight up and yeah the dead guy did laugh for a minute and a half over a 2 and a half movie.
And yes I'm aware that I'm an ass hole, prick and a doushe. Been told that enough times that I don't care. And I've had plenty of death threats to me for this opinion too.
As for 2 face he's just a guy that has 2 personalities that snapped due to the stress of his ideals of absolutes. kinda hits close to home to me honestly.
I personally don't like the Joker at all I really don't like the last guy who did the Joker in that movie. I really think if he lived he wouldn't have been nominated for the Oscar let a lone when it. I don't remember him every laughing and if I can't remember, it wasn't good.
I did look Dark Knight up and yeah the dead guy did laugh for a minute and a half over a 2 and a half movie.
And yes I'm aware that I'm an ass hole, prick and a doushe. Been told that enough times that I don't care. And I've had plenty of death threats to me for this opinion too.
"Thank you for picking the best possible option."doublenix said:
I'm extremely biased and have no data to back this up.
I just really like the Riddler. I wish he had been the villain for the final film.\
He snapped because he was vane, he was vane because his pursuit of justice was driven by his own insecurities and self hatred.Brad Gardner said:
Once his face was scarred the last thing that he had keeping him together was rent asunder.
Also the Joker performance would have won an award easily without him dying. I didn't even know he had died before I saw the movie.
Was it the joker that I like best? No, was it an amazing take on him that is easily #2 for me? Sure.
Killer Croc might be the most uncomfortable Batman villain for me. Mostly because I don't want to be eaten.misterprickly said:
If not him then the Mad Hatter, the comics that feature the Mad Hatter are real good at making me squirm. Not sure if any other major hero has a pedophile for an enemy but it isn't something I've googled to confirm.
ahmigawd! Someone else who knows Bane's story! I like you. Here is an internet award.Alaster Angelo said:
It's invisible, but you won it.
Dan (me) has a one year old that gave him a a choice of driving 4 hours to be at PAX or fly half a day to go to the Expo. Kyle is getting married in October, and his funds go to that, rather than plane rides. Maybe next year we will all be there, but at the moment Chris is the only one with the availability and funds. I assure you we all want to go, and will put efforts into appearing next year, and possibly in Skype form this year.Kapol said:
Fighting over who is the best Batman villain is like asking "What's your favourite psychic disorder?". Also I use this chance to recomend the "Arkham Asylum" comic Book to everyone that is into Batman Villlains!
Two-Face is my favorite Batman villain. Due in no small part to how great they made him in the Animated Series. They did such a great job taking their time and showing Harvey's mental demons. It was especially cool because of how long he was in the series just as Harvey Dent before "Big Bad Harv" ever reared his head... err, face... err, half face... you know what I mean.
Moll gave that character such life with his vocal inflections and some great character acting. Ever since his appearance in that old movie "House" (not the surly doctor show), I've been a big fan. And to this day he's the voice in my head when I read a Batman story featuring Harvey Two-Face.
Riddler is cool too of course. I'm actually a little shocked that Kyle won this one, but good on you sir. Kudos.
Moll gave that character such life with his vocal inflections and some great character acting. Ever since his appearance in that old movie "House" (not the surly doctor show), I've been a big fan. And to this day he's the voice in my head when I read a Batman story featuring Harvey Two-Face.
Riddler is cool too of course. I'm actually a little shocked that Kyle won this one, but good on you sir. Kudos.
Gotta say, if you throw Joker out of the mix because he's too much the obvious answer, out of all the Batman villians out there, I'd vote for Riddler as well. I like deep, convoluted plots and that's what Riddler specializes in. My favorite thing about him is that every time Batman gets out of one of his ultimate, seemingly impossible traps, Riddler always goes insane, demanding he be told how Batman did it, but he never gets his answer.
Probably just a mistype, but Chris is already married. Kyle is getting married on October.Kapol said:
Less of a mistype and more being a complete idiot.Sharayah Pranger said:Probably just a mistype, but Chris is already married. Kyle is getting married on October.Kapol said:
I'm awful with names in general. But yea. I meant Kyle. Didn't think that Chris was getting married again, and it would make less sense to mention it since Chris is actually going to the expo.
I preferred the Dark Knight's two-face... it never really seemed to be a guy who had developed a split personality. He just seemed like a guy who had lost everything, and was angry about it, and the coin thing was just sort of a method for him to feel in control of his rage - the whole point of his character arc was that batman, in his eyes, flipped a coin, and he "won", and the woman he'd grown to love "lost". So it's just a way of absolving him from the bad actions that his unbridled rage at his situation makes him want to do.
I think Harvey Dent always had that streak in him, he's just always had a reason to fight his battles a little less directly, using the law instead of a gun. But once the accident happens, he's lost that outlet. The Joker sits down with him and says "You can kill me if you want, but if you really think about it, the batman caused all of this, if he didn't exist, I wouldn't have tried to taunt him using your life, so if you're going to blame me, at least also blame the bat." And Dent's slightly warped view sees that that's the truth - he always didn't care for the batman. He used him as a tool, but he hated that he existed. Once the batman had the nerve to spare him instead of rachel, he decided, screw batman.
Of course, all of this isn't really hidden - the movie pretty much says all of this stuff directly, but it's a different take on Two-face compared to other incarnations of him. You never get a sense that the good Harvey Dent is actually still in there in the Dark Knight. At least I didn't. Harvey Dent IS Two-face, and Two-Face IS Harvey Dent, there's no line in their character in The Dark Knight.
Just going to also mention that I actually liked Tommy Lee Jones's Two-Face, although it was admittedly very very very silly, and didn't give the gravitas the role benefited from in Aaron Eckart's hands. I don't think Joel Schumaker or Tommy Lee Jones had ever actually read up on the character, because he had none of the story elements that make Two-face interesting. I like to look at the Schumaker films through the lens of the 60s tv show, just because it's the only way it makes sense. If you do that, they're not quite as bad.
As for The Riddler, I love the Riddler. I prefer him to Two-Face (and actually prefer him to The Joker). The Riddler has always been fairly consistent, although I do have to say one thing about him. I much prefer him in his three-piece suit. I'm sure we all do, but sometimes, they still put him in that giant onesie, that was never very good. In Batman Forever, they put him in it more then anything else, and Jim Carrey's package kept me from fully engrossing myself in that movie. His first scene as The Riddler where he goes to try and entice Two-face to his side, he was looking pretty awesome, then it got worse.
I find The Riddler's character is very interesting, but I doubt I can say more then these guys did. It's also interesting to note that the Riddler is one of the few villains that in many canons knows who Batman is, but he understands that it doesn't matter who batman is. He doesn't want to defeat Batman, or kill him (generally), he just wants to best him Mentally. His ultimate goal is to have Batman concede that he's won. That he can't figure it out. Everything else is secondary to that. Like the Joker, it's all a game to the Riddler. And he wants to beat Batman at that game. If he wanted to get rich, both the Joker and the Riddler are both smart enough to get as rich as they want, but what they really want is to beat the Batman. I just don't read "beat and kill" in the Riddler. He's slightly less psychotic then the Joker, who's ultimate victory would include Batman's death.
I think Harvey Dent always had that streak in him, he's just always had a reason to fight his battles a little less directly, using the law instead of a gun. But once the accident happens, he's lost that outlet. The Joker sits down with him and says "You can kill me if you want, but if you really think about it, the batman caused all of this, if he didn't exist, I wouldn't have tried to taunt him using your life, so if you're going to blame me, at least also blame the bat." And Dent's slightly warped view sees that that's the truth - he always didn't care for the batman. He used him as a tool, but he hated that he existed. Once the batman had the nerve to spare him instead of rachel, he decided, screw batman.
Of course, all of this isn't really hidden - the movie pretty much says all of this stuff directly, but it's a different take on Two-face compared to other incarnations of him. You never get a sense that the good Harvey Dent is actually still in there in the Dark Knight. At least I didn't. Harvey Dent IS Two-face, and Two-Face IS Harvey Dent, there's no line in their character in The Dark Knight.
Just going to also mention that I actually liked Tommy Lee Jones's Two-Face, although it was admittedly very very very silly, and didn't give the gravitas the role benefited from in Aaron Eckart's hands. I don't think Joel Schumaker or Tommy Lee Jones had ever actually read up on the character, because he had none of the story elements that make Two-face interesting. I like to look at the Schumaker films through the lens of the 60s tv show, just because it's the only way it makes sense. If you do that, they're not quite as bad.
As for The Riddler, I love the Riddler. I prefer him to Two-Face (and actually prefer him to The Joker). The Riddler has always been fairly consistent, although I do have to say one thing about him. I much prefer him in his three-piece suit. I'm sure we all do, but sometimes, they still put him in that giant onesie, that was never very good. In Batman Forever, they put him in it more then anything else, and Jim Carrey's package kept me from fully engrossing myself in that movie. His first scene as The Riddler where he goes to try and entice Two-face to his side, he was looking pretty awesome, then it got worse.
I find The Riddler's character is very interesting, but I doubt I can say more then these guys did. It's also interesting to note that the Riddler is one of the few villains that in many canons knows who Batman is, but he understands that it doesn't matter who batman is. He doesn't want to defeat Batman, or kill him (generally), he just wants to best him Mentally. His ultimate goal is to have Batman concede that he's won. That he can't figure it out. Everything else is secondary to that. Like the Joker, it's all a game to the Riddler. And he wants to beat Batman at that game. If he wanted to get rich, both the Joker and the Riddler are both smart enough to get as rich as they want, but what they really want is to beat the Batman. I just don't read "beat and kill" in the Riddler. He's slightly less psychotic then the Joker, who's ultimate victory would include Batman's death.
I agree with you about Ra's al Ghul and Bane, but I'd like to hear your explanations for all three anyway, if you don't mind.ravenshrike said: