No Right Answer: Mulan vs Jasmine

[ryanthemadman]

My favourite Disney Princess has to be Belle. She is, as far as I know, the only literate Disney Princess. No other princess has been shown to be able to read.


Ok, this may have changed with Tangled, not really sure. All I know is that Belle is the most independant of them all, not to mention the smartest.

wrong. mulan can read, it was just in chinese go watch it again at the part where shes writing on her arm lol

 

[ShakenBake]

Seriously, I'm starting to wonder how many of you remember the movie of Mulan. She used a FAN to disarm a trained killer who had a sword. You can't get anymore awesome than that.

 

[BrotherRool]

Mulan isn't a princess but Mulan was way more independent. She was bosses everyone around, even the general of an army. Jasmine just ran away and immediately ended up dependent on a guy again

 

[DTWolfwood]

Y isn't Ariel in this? Isn't she the very definition of what we consider independent?

She leaves her father to be with a man that can't breathe in water! She disobeyed the KING OF THE SEA!

Grrr I call Shenanigans on this episode :tf:

 

[Ukomba]

If you go past the 1st movie, it's not even a contest. Mulan in Mulan 2 is a co-dependent train wreck, where the several Aladdin movies and tv shows, Jasmine is always kick ass. She even becomes a Naga .

 

[darkbshadow]

Yes Mulan is not a princess however Really Jasmin? She was outside of the castle for like 10minutes and was about to get her hand chopped off for stealing? Yeah she would make it on her own. Kicking ass doesn't mean being independent. Put both of them in a city away from there comfort zone with a little bit of cash Mulan would be able to survive. Jasmin? Well look at it this way. She was raised being served for every second of her life? Do you really think she would know the first thing of being able to take care of herself? Yeah... No.

 

[purifico]

Er. Why is this even a contest? Mulan can kick any 'princess' ass any day of the week.

 

[Lightning Delight]

Does anyone else think Dan did a really good job with the editing this week? I don't know why, but I couldn't stop noticing all the little things he threw in there.

Back on topic, I say Mulan wins. She used a firework to make an avalanche. And disarmed a sworded assailant with a fan. And had a training montage! You just can't beat a good old training montage.

 

[Aureliano]

Jasmine clearly loses. The moment Jasmine had to have Aladdin save her butt in the beginning of the movie she was not independent. She was just the pissed off variant of the ingenue.

Mulan on the other hand can and does kill people. The argument that Mulan wasn't a princess is pointless: either disqualify her and pick another Disney princess or agree that she's a better role model than Jasmine.

 

[Fiz_The_Toaster]

No, Mulan totally wins because I remember one of the things Jasmine yells all the time was 'ALADDIIIIIIIIN!', and what did Mulan yell? 'HEYAAAAAH!'

Plus, Mulan had a dragon, A DRAGON, so in that regard, she should've won.

 

[draythefingerless]

either discount Mulan from the beggining and pick someone who is an actual princess, or stop going around the issue kyle.

jasmine number of kills: 0;
mulan: fucking army;

jasmine punishment for defiance: return to the castle to be pandered again;
mulan's: death;

jasmines ultimate defiance to her society: marry a non prince.
mulan: join the army and have every single person, in a nation centered around man where women are objects, bow to her, a woman of no royal blood or significance.

 

[The Random One]

No, that's independence from a nutshell.

Kyle did very well this week. TOO BAD YOU CHOSE A SHIT CHARACTER BLARGH

Also Chris is such a sore loser, hilarious XD

A topic for a future episode: Who would win a fight between the mongol army and a giant magical snake?

 

[Hexenwolf]

aladin is for all intensive purposes a prince. he did eventually marry the princess. this does infact make him a prince.

All intents and purposes. Intensive purposes is just nonsensical. (One of my pet peeves).

You're right though, Aladdin is a prince by the end.

 

[twaddle]

Y isn't Ariel in this? Isn't she the very definition of what we consider independent?

She leaves her father to be with a man that can't breathe in water! She disobeyed the KING OF THE SEA!
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fun fact: in the real story Ariel is cursed because she can't get with the prince

 

[twaddle]

If she kicks all of the ass, shouldnt it be 100%?



And while it may not count, Im gonna throw in Jane too. She married Tarzan, king of the apes, so she's more of a queen than a princess. ALTHOUGH, tarzan's mother could could be the ruler of her group of gorillas, making tarzan prince.

jane wasn't a princess because tarzan wasn't king of the jungle. He was just the leader of a group of gorillas. King was an unofficial titles when it came to the disney movies and series and in the movies it's never even mentioned of him being a king at all. but disney is fickle about that sort of thing because we all know mulan isn't a princess, just a soldier or if u want to get technical she is a high ranking soldier by series end....why the hell was mulan never a tv series anyways. if they can do aladin and tarzan and that god aweful emperors new groove then they should have done mulan

 

[emeraldrafael]

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If you want to get technical about it, a Sultan isnt necessarily a king either. His rule is dictated by the Quran. If I remember my Islam correctly, the Calyph was right under Mohammad, and he was the "ruler" of the Ummah, which is the community of Islam.

So he is the speaker of the Quran in a way, and since he is the speaker of it, he outrules a sultan.

 

[The Lugz]

Correct, good sirs, there is no right answer to your trick question

Mulan is indeed not a princess
therefore looses by default

enjoy.

 

[beniki]

Er... for Disney Princes; Remember who they are Simba.

 

[orangeapples]

ON that last point, I'd have to take that point away, because yes Jasmine did almost get her hand cut off for giving that kid an apple, but Mulan almost got sentenced to death for her actions. It was just Mulan's luck that the leader guy owed her a favor because she had saved him from certain doom, while he was unconscious...

So, probably already done, legitimate Disney Princess are:
Aurora
Snow White*
Cinderella*
Eilonwy
Ariel
Belle*
Jasmine
Pocahontas**

*by marrying a Prince they gain 'Princess' status (or would it be 'queen' status?)
** Tribe chief's daughter. A king is basically a super tribe chief.

including the *s I'd say Belle, because she lived in the countryside and just did what she felt like doing. Being independent doesn't mean she does things to empower women or anything like that. She's independent because she just did what she'd rather do without the need of a man.

Not including the *s... I'd have to say: Ariel. She took the initiative in her relationship with Eric. She sacrificed so much of herself to make that work. She knew the consequences she would face with her father, but stuck to pursuing her dream. Besides, how often do we see a Disney Princess making a literal deal with the devil (octopus witch)? Down to the signed contract?

And there are tons of actual Disney Princes. There are
The Prince (Snow White)
Charming (Cinderella)
Phillip (Sleeping Beauty)
Eric (Little Mermaid)
Beast (Beauty and the Beast)
Simba (Lion King)
Aladdin*
Flynn*

My personal favorite being Prince Phillip, since he fought Maleficent who was a fire breathing dragon. Also he actually helps the player out in Birth by Sleep.
Beast and Aladdin also help however Beast isn't very Princely and Aladdin is a likeable guy, but no prince.
Not to mention Simba and Aladdin are the stars of their movies. Both being the title characters.