Seriously, I'm starting to wonder how many of you remember the movie of Mulan. She used a FAN to disarm a trained killer who had a sword. You can't get anymore awesome than that.
No Right Answer: Mulan vs Jasmine
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Mulan isn't a princess but Mulan was way more independent. She was bosses everyone around, even the general of an army. Jasmine just ran away and immediately ended up dependent on a guy again
Y isn't Ariel in this? Isn't she the very definition of what we consider independent?
She leaves her father to be with a man that can't breathe in water! She disobeyed the KING OF THE SEA!
Grrr I call Shenanigans on this episode :tf:
She leaves her father to be with a man that can't breathe in water! She disobeyed the KING OF THE SEA!
Grrr I call Shenanigans on this episode :tf:
Yes Mulan is not a princess however Really Jasmin? She was outside of the castle for like 10minutes and was about to get her hand chopped off for stealing? Yeah she would make it on her own. Kicking ass doesn't mean being independent. Put both of them in a city away from there comfort zone with a little bit of cash Mulan would be able to survive. Jasmin? Well look at it this way. She was raised being served for every second of her life? Do you really think she would know the first thing of being able to take care of herself? Yeah... No.
Does anyone else think Dan did a really good job with the editing this week? I don't know why, but I couldn't stop noticing all the little things he threw in there.
Back on topic, I say Mulan wins. She used a firework to make an avalanche. And disarmed a sworded assailant with a fan. And had a training montage! You just can't beat a good old training montage.
Back on topic, I say Mulan wins. She used a firework to make an avalanche. And disarmed a sworded assailant with a fan. And had a training montage! You just can't beat a good old training montage.
Jasmine clearly loses. The moment Jasmine had to have Aladdin save her butt in the beginning of the movie she was not independent. She was just the pissed off variant of the ingenue.
Mulan on the other hand can and does kill people. The argument that Mulan wasn't a princess is pointless: either disqualify her and pick another Disney princess or agree that she's a better role model than Jasmine.
Mulan on the other hand can and does kill people. The argument that Mulan wasn't a princess is pointless: either disqualify her and pick another Disney princess or agree that she's a better role model than Jasmine.
No, Mulan totally wins because I remember one of the things Jasmine yells all the time was 'ALADDIIIIIIIIN!', and what did Mulan yell? 'HEYAAAAAH!'
Plus, Mulan had a dragon, A DRAGON, so in that regard, she should've won.
Plus, Mulan had a dragon, A DRAGON, so in that regard, she should've won.
either discount Mulan from the beggining and pick someone who is an actual princess, or stop going around the issue kyle.
jasmine number of kills: 0;
mulan: fucking army;
jasmine punishment for defiance: return to the castle to be pandered again;
mulan's: death;
jasmines ultimate defiance to her society: marry a non prince.
mulan: join the army and have every single person, in a nation centered around man where women are objects, bow to her, a woman of no royal blood or significance.
jasmine number of kills: 0;
mulan: fucking army;
jasmine punishment for defiance: return to the castle to be pandered again;
mulan's: death;
jasmines ultimate defiance to her society: marry a non prince.
mulan: join the army and have every single person, in a nation centered around man where women are objects, bow to her, a woman of no royal blood or significance.
No, that's independence from a nutshell.
Kyle did very well this week. TOO BAD YOU CHOSE A SHIT CHARACTER BLARGH
Also Chris is such a sore loser, hilarious XD
A topic for a future episode: Who would win a fight between the mongol army and a giant magical snake?
Kyle did very well this week. TOO BAD YOU CHOSE A SHIT CHARACTER BLARGH
Also Chris is such a sore loser, hilarious XD
A topic for a future episode: Who would win a fight between the mongol army and a giant magical snake?
jane wasn't a princess because tarzan wasn't king of the jungle. He was just the leader of a group of gorillas. King was an unofficial titles when it came to the disney movies and series and in the movies it's never even mentioned of him being a king at all. but disney is fickle about that sort of thing because we all know mulan isn't a princess, just a soldier or if u want to get technical she is a high ranking soldier by series end....why the hell was mulan never a tv series anyways. if they can do aladin and tarzan and that god aweful emperors new groove then they should have done mulanemeraldrafael said:
If you want to get technical about it, a Sultan isnt necessarily a king either. His rule is dictated by the Quran. If I remember my Islam correctly, the Calyph was right under Mohammad, and he was the "ruler" of the Ummah, which is the community of Islam.twaddle said:
So he is the speaker of the Quran in a way, and since he is the speaker of it, he outrules a sultan.
ON that last point, I'd have to take that point away, because yes Jasmine did almost get her hand cut off for giving that kid an apple, but Mulan almost got sentenced to death for her actions. It was just Mulan's luck that the leader guy owed her a favor because she had saved him from certain doom, while he was unconscious...
So, probably already done, legitimate Disney Princess are:
Aurora
Snow White*
Cinderella*
Eilonwy
Ariel
Belle*
Jasmine
Pocahontas**
*by marrying a Prince they gain 'Princess' status (or would it be 'queen' status?)
** Tribe chief's daughter. A king is basically a super tribe chief.
including the *s I'd say Belle, because she lived in the countryside and just did what she felt like doing. Being independent doesn't mean she does things to empower women or anything like that. She's independent because she just did what she'd rather do without the need of a man.
Not including the *s... I'd have to say: Ariel. She took the initiative in her relationship with Eric. She sacrificed so much of herself to make that work. She knew the consequences she would face with her father, but stuck to pursuing her dream. Besides, how often do we see a Disney Princess making a literal deal with the devil (octopus witch)? Down to the signed contract?
And there are tons of actual Disney Princes. There are
The Prince (Snow White)
Charming (Cinderella)
Phillip (Sleeping Beauty)
Eric (Little Mermaid)
Beast (Beauty and the Beast)
Simba (Lion King)
Aladdin*
Flynn*
My personal favorite being Prince Phillip, since he fought Maleficent who was a fire breathing dragon. Also he actually helps the player out in Birth by Sleep.
Beast and Aladdin also help however Beast isn't very Princely and Aladdin is a likeable guy, but no prince.
Not to mention Simba and Aladdin are the stars of their movies. Both being the title characters.
So, probably already done, legitimate Disney Princess are:
Aurora
Snow White*
Cinderella*
Eilonwy
Ariel
Belle*
Jasmine
Pocahontas**
*by marrying a Prince they gain 'Princess' status (or would it be 'queen' status?)
** Tribe chief's daughter. A king is basically a super tribe chief.
including the *s I'd say Belle, because she lived in the countryside and just did what she felt like doing. Being independent doesn't mean she does things to empower women or anything like that. She's independent because she just did what she'd rather do without the need of a man.
Not including the *s... I'd have to say: Ariel. She took the initiative in her relationship with Eric. She sacrificed so much of herself to make that work. She knew the consequences she would face with her father, but stuck to pursuing her dream. Besides, how often do we see a Disney Princess making a literal deal with the devil (octopus witch)? Down to the signed contract?
And there are tons of actual Disney Princes. There are
The Prince (Snow White)
Charming (Cinderella)
Phillip (Sleeping Beauty)
Eric (Little Mermaid)
Beast (Beauty and the Beast)
Simba (Lion King)
Aladdin*
Flynn*
My personal favorite being Prince Phillip, since he fought Maleficent who was a fire breathing dragon. Also he actually helps the player out in Birth by Sleep.
Beast and Aladdin also help however Beast isn't very Princely and Aladdin is a likeable guy, but no prince.
Not to mention Simba and Aladdin are the stars of their movies. Both being the title characters.
Can't say I liked how the major go-to point for Mulan was "she could kick ass". While that is undoubtedly true, and she was presented as cunning, skilled and resourceful, that doesn't reflect on the topic of "Who is the most independent princess". Ass kicking has little relevence towards that unless you're living in a might-makes-right society. A good point for independence would be citing the end of the training montage, where she is the first to figure out the training regime, the fact that she demonstrated herself to be at least as good as her male counterparts in a field traditionally and legally [at the time] considered the domain of men, and the fact that she spearheaded the final battle in which she proved not only to be a capable soldier but a capable leader as well. Those would be good points indicating a strong character and the capacity for independence far better than simple physical prowess.
My personal bid though goes with Tiana (who qualifies as a princess by marriage). Self-made woman who grew up working two jobs (with a specific goal in mind) and whose general competence acts as a dramatic foil to the lead male. She ends up owning her own [apparently very successful] restaurant by the end of the film. The last part doesn't sound terribly impressive, I know, but given that the movie is set in New Orleans in the 1920s, well before the Civil Rights Movement really took off and riding on the coattails of the first wave of the Feminist Movement, that accomplishment is nothing short of incredible. Of course, Disney portrayed a much lighter and softer version of the issues of the time in the movie, so it's arguable how well history translates for that purpose.
My personal bid though goes with Tiana (who qualifies as a princess by marriage). Self-made woman who grew up working two jobs (with a specific goal in mind) and whose general competence acts as a dramatic foil to the lead male. She ends up owning her own [apparently very successful] restaurant by the end of the film. The last part doesn't sound terribly impressive, I know, but given that the movie is set in New Orleans in the 1920s, well before the Civil Rights Movement really took off and riding on the coattails of the first wave of the Feminist Movement, that accomplishment is nothing short of incredible. Of course, Disney portrayed a much lighter and softer version of the issues of the time in the movie, so it's arguable how well history translates for that purpose.
Mind=blown...Soviet Heavy said:
I TOTALLY havent thought about this before...
I'm speechless, this is as world-changing to me as when my girlfriend pointed out that its stupid vampires can be out at night when moonlight is really just reflected sunlight....FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU! My day is gonna be a mess, now I'm thinking about both!!!