No Singleplayer Campaign For Black Ops 3 on PS3/Xbox 360

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LysanderNemoinis said:
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I dunno, I think recent history has shown us that shooters without a campaign mode don't tend to last very long for whatever reason. Though I do agree that CoD's primary attraction is its multiplayer (at least for most of its players).
That's very true, but then I'm pretty sure that given it's a yearly franchise, most fans of the series just abandon each game for the newest when it comes out.
This is one of those statements that I really want to know if it is true or not. Many of my friends that play COD don't buy every single one. I don't but yet many probably do. It is one of those things that I would love to fact check but there is no real way to do so.
 

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You're right, there is no point to buy it last gen. But to be truthful how many at this point actually play the single player? I stopped playing the Single player after Modern Warfare 2 and only bought it second hand when it was a good deal. But the price drop if definitely too small; it should be a third less and renamed to something that would help tell the difference between the two. Despite this announcement how many will buy the PS3/360 version and then discover that there's no Single Player?
 

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I can understand why they're doing this, I mean the campaign is supposed to be this bombastic huge spectacle and limiting yourself to last generation hardware(in particular last generation's 512mb of ram and drastically slower processors) would restrict how big you could make those spectacles.
 

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I have mixed feelings about this. I've never cared about the CoD mutiplayer, so the only reason I purchase a CoD game or not is on the strength of it's single player campaign. However, the quality of those have been going downhill for since MW3 and I won't bother with ghosts. BLOPS2 was actually good but it was the last game I purchased in the series.

Cutting half the game out of the last-gen and giving them a whole $10 price cut just smacks of corporate greed and while I WAS cautiously optimistic for BLOPS3, now I'm seriously rethinking the idea of buying it all. The last thing I want to see is this sparking a new trend of only certain gamers can have the single player while others don't, and then mocking us by saying "We're cutting half the content, but you're still playing 80% of full price for the privilege".
 

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Well that sucks. I was looking forward to purchasing the final installment of Black-Ops for Xbox 360, but without the single player it's a serious gimp to the entire package. While the single player only makes up a fraction of my overall game time (As most of the time is spent playing multiplayer), it's still one of the main reasons I buy the game (As I really enjoy the Treyarch single player campaigns).

A lot of people say that "Single player is dead", but to me it's still a big part of what gets me to play a game (Especially when it comes to CoD).
 

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Something Amyss said:
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So... why even bother with these versions if you're going to cut the main game out of them?
Campaign stopped being the main game in COD a looooooong time ago.
In my book, regardless of the series, the singleplayer is the meat and multiplayer is gravy.
 

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In my book, regardless of the series, the singleplayer is the meat and multiplayer is gravy.
You can define it however you want. That doesn't change the reality of the situation. Multiplayer is the big deal of these games and has been for a long time. It is the central experience, which is exactly why the MP is the part being left in and the SP is only worth a ten dollar discount.
 

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"The ambitious scope of the 1-4 player coop Campaign design of the PS4, Xbox One and PC versions could not be faithfully recreated on old generation hardware,"
I only came here for the typical dumb explanation :D i was not disappointed.
 

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Something Amyss said:
RealRT said:
In my book, regardless of the series, the singleplayer is the meat and multiplayer is gravy.
You can define it however you want. That doesn't change the reality of the situation. Multiplayer is the big deal of these games and has been for a long time. It is the central experience, which is exactly why the MP is the part being left in and the SP is only worth a ten dollar discount.
Not my fault the world is so back-asswards these days. An inferior version of the game that doesn't even have the main game shouldn't receive a 10$ discount, it should *cost* 10$.
 

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Something Amyss said:
RealRT said:
In my book, regardless of the series, the singleplayer is the meat and multiplayer is gravy.
You can define it however you want. That doesn't change the reality of the situation. Multiplayer is the big deal of these games and has been for a long time. It is the central experience, which is exactly why the MP is the part being left in and the SP is only worth a ten dollar discount.
I love me some singleplayer games with exciting and in-depth stories and compelling characters and I've yet to play a Call of Duty that actually offered that. So I just enjoy the multiplayer. Advanced Warfare wasn't half bad and Black Ops 3 looks to have the imagination and creativity to be pretty fun. Multiplayer is definitely the central experience in CoD for me, and for basically everyone I know who plays the games. Except my brother, he thought Modern Warfare 3's story was "actually very interesting" and that's just an outright untruth.
 

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Thyunda said:
Except my brother, he thought Modern Warfare 3's story was "actually very interesting" and that's just an outright untruth.
I'm curious if he bothered playing any of the other games in the series....or even just the other MW games. MW3 had the potential to have a really interesting story, did about half the work and then just decided it was quitting time and half assed the other half.
 

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Except my brother, he thought Modern Warfare 3's story was "actually very interesting" and that's just an outright untruth.
I'm curious if he bothered playing any of the other games in the series....or even just the other MW games. MW3 had the potential to have a really interesting story, did about half the work and then just decided it was quitting time and half assed the other half.
Played all of 'em. Well, every Call of Duty since Modern Warfare. Second one was his favourite, but where the third game totally lost me on the "Russia conquers Europe in order to invade America" section. The fact the entirety of Europe was annexed by way of 'large arrows' and still left enough time for Russia to totally get the drop on the US...well it was pushing the fantasy a bit too far for me. I mean there's "America!" and then there's...well...Modern Warfare 3.
 

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Wow...if I didn't have a PS4, I would be beyond pissed right now. I'm still pretty ticked, actually. Because I am one of those magical unicorns that people seem to think don't exist: I play Call of Duty for the single player, and rarely touch the multiplayer.
Granted, I've usually got them after price drops, used, rented, etc, but I've typically found the campaigns to be fun little bite sized shooty romps. And never really bothered with the multiplayer. Since the SP's apparently worth ten bucks, I might even buy it at that price if they sold it stand alone.
 

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Thyunda said:
Dalisclock said:
Thyunda said:
Except my brother, he thought Modern Warfare 3's story was "actually very interesting" and that's just an outright untruth.
I'm curious if he bothered playing any of the other games in the series....or even just the other MW games. MW3 had the potential to have a really interesting story, did about half the work and then just decided it was quitting time and half assed the other half.
Played all of 'em. Well, every Call of Duty since Modern Warfare. Second one was his favourite, but where the third game totally lost me on the "Russia conquers Europe in order to invade America" section. The fact the entirety of Europe was annexed by way of 'large arrows' and still left enough time for Russia to totally get the drop on the US...well it was pushing the fantasy a bit too far for me. I mean there's "America!" and then there's...well...Modern Warfare 3.
Actually, it's worse then that. They had already attacked the US and failed. The battle for New York their last stand during the invasion. When they lost their fleet in New York(because they were stupid enough to cram their entire fleet into the harbor and then had a code that allowed one submarine to target and sink their entire fleet...yeah), they pulled back. And then invaded Europe a couple months later, all at the same time. Somehow, because of the "No Russian" thing, Europe all collectively acts like the US getting invaded isn't their problem....you know, because Europe routinely collectively agrees on stuff or just forgot that NATO exists.

What made it worse for me was the fact that setting up Gen. Shepherd as the bad guy was a huge plot point in MW2, which gets almost completely ignored in MW3 so by the end you have Price and Soap just forgiven despite the fact they never managed to prove Shepherd was a traitor. Or the fact the Russian President is shown as just wanting peace(enough to be kidnapped by Makarov) and yet was apparently totally cool with a knee-jerk invasion of the US really recently. And the whole fact they never really explained if Makarov was working for or against the Russian government, because it seems to swing back and forth randomly.

MW2 had plot holes but the cycle of revenge storyline was more then enough to carry the game. MW3 just kind of drops the ball completely.
 

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RealRT said:
Not my fault the world is so back-asswards these days.
When everyone else is "wrong," it might be time to re-evaluate.

Thyunda said:
I love me some singleplayer games with exciting and in-depth stories and compelling characters and I've yet to play a Call of Duty that actually offered that. So I just enjoy the multiplayer. Advanced Warfare wasn't half bad and Black Ops 3 looks to have the imagination and creativity to be pretty fun. Multiplayer is definitely the central experience in CoD for me, and for basically everyone I know who plays the games. Except my brother, he thought Modern Warfare 3's story was "actually very interesting" and that's just an outright untruth.
Yeah, it's been the basic selling point of the franchise for years, and it's the reason most people get it. They do also play the SP (almost 70% of Steam users complete at least the first mission), though I seriously doubt that's going to be the part that makes them buy or not buy the game.

I've played one mission of Modern Warfare 2 or 3, and I couldn't even tell you which. I played a little bit of Black Ops at a friend's house. I mean, I don't hate the campaigns, but there's nothing to get me to play them. Except I want to try the Black Ops 3 campaign because of the novelty of co-op. Even still, I'm not sure I'd be put off by its absence.

Well, except for the part that they've been pushing pre-orders for months and this is the first we've heard of these advertised features not being included.

While I'm certainly on the far end of things (having barely played any campaign), I very much get the impression that few people are actually going to say "no deal" over the lack of story.

...which is kind of a shame, because Activision has been marketing a different product than they've been selling, but that's another story.
 

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And that demonstrates about how well I was able to follow the bloody storyline. I've played 'em all as well and I really tried to follow the story. Ghost was my favourite character because he was the only one with any personality whatsoever. Everybody else gruffly barked orders and snarled about how bad things were and how hard they were. Hard like badass, not like erect. I was going to do some example quotes of Price and Soap talking about how hard they were but I realised rather quickly that would imply I was playing a totally different game. The invasion of Europe wasn't bothersome because Europe chose to stay out of the Russo-American war, but because Russia, after losing a massive chunk of its military power, easily annexed Europe as part of their invasion of America. The Russian people, swayed into favouring war with the US over the No Russian incident, were apparently okay with slaughtering their neighbours in Eastern Europe and steamrolled over Germany and France and skipped over the channel to occupy Great Britain with literally zero resistance.

And no bastard navy.
 

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The Russian people, swayed into favouring war with the US over the No Russian incident, were apparently okay with slaughtering their neighbours in Eastern Europe...
You mean like how Russia invaded Georgia and Ukraine, their irl Eastern European neighbors?

OT- Would my tinfoil hat be too shiny if I said I thought both MS and Sony "encouraged" the idea that it would be impossible to have sp on the older systems? It just feels really... convenient.
 

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Sarge034 said:
Thyunda said:
The Russian people, swayed into favouring war with the US over the No Russian incident, were apparently okay with slaughtering their neighbours in Eastern Europe...
You mean like how Russia invaded Georgia and Ukraine, their irl Eastern European neighbors?
Both times it was ostensibly done to protect ethnic groups within those nations from their nationalist governments. Which is why the Russian public didn't stage a revolt over it.