Notch Tweets Rage Over Minecraft Party Sexual Assault
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You are. Quite wrong. Loads of people try to move the topic here. She's making it up, she should be amused, etc etc etc.3quency said:
But hey, it's to be expected on the Escapist involving a thread concerning women and the hobby.
This is almost as much fun as reading about how some people tried to defend James Desborough.
Staying classy as always Theru.Therumancer said:
Her use of the words "creeper" and "nope'd" don't help me in taking this seriously. On the other hand, I too use silly words or phrases to ease any trauma.
Dude, think about this for a second. If she hadn't soberd up and bolted right then and there... I dread to think what might've happened. That's why she's feeling so traumatised by it, she came pretty close to... that. Even thinking about that is an unpleasent experience, so something happening that might have lead to that must be pretty scarring in and of itself.dunam said:
Agreed. It's tragic that this woman's night was so screwed up because of just one asshole, and she got no help for it. Personally, I want to find the security guys she talked to and give them a peice of my mind.dunam said:
You're right. I made the whole thing up. The security was infallible. There was no sexual assault even. The girl wasn't even drunk. In fact if the security guard hadn't rode in on his white stallion everyone could've been brutally murdered. God bless the glorious security guards and their perfection.matthew_lane said:
The problem with the security is that they have absolutely NO authority to do anything in most cases. That means he cannot compel said person to leave, nor detain him lest he be subject to civil or even criminal lawsuits for violating the individual's 4th amendment rights. Now if the person who was running the event (or someone with authority) wanted to do something I am certain that there were PLENTY of police available to deal with it. But to blame a security guard who is making $8 an hour and no benefits of any kind strikes me as pointing a finger at someone who could not have done anything anyhow.
The best that the guard can do is call the police. Period.
It's easy to blame the poor sop who struggles to feed his family on barely above minimum wage on an internet comment board. Hopefully someone will think about that the next time they call for someone to lose possibly the only job they can get in this economy. Think about the consequences for a family who might lose their only income. Just like what happened isn't funny, casting blame about isn't very funny either.
Most security companies charge clients in the $20 an hour range and pay less than $10. (Don't believe statistics I have friends who work in the field and it's not a nice one to be in most of the time. I also worked in the field for a short amount of time after losing a much better paying job.)
At $8 an hour, figure averaging 40 hours a week if one is lucky and you have about 320 before taxes. That's not much especially if you think about the working conditions that can be in some cases rather hazardous. Admittedly there are those who are lucky enough to get into good paying positions but those tend to be few and far between. By and large security can be a thankless line of work where the paycheck is a pittance compared to the actual risk.
Sexual Assault of any sort is horrible and nothing I would wish even upon my worst enemy. But show some compassion for people who may be powerless to really do anything about the situation. Now if it turns out that the guard was an off duty cop (one of my ex's used to moonlight while off duty) then that tends to be a whole other can of worms. (let's just say that there is a reason he is an ex and leave it at that.)
Anyhow, I hope this doesn't feed too many trolls but by and large security guards are powerless 99% of the time to even detain a shop lifter or even say anything. Food for thought.
The best that the guard can do is call the police. Period.
It's easy to blame the poor sop who struggles to feed his family on barely above minimum wage on an internet comment board. Hopefully someone will think about that the next time they call for someone to lose possibly the only job they can get in this economy. Think about the consequences for a family who might lose their only income. Just like what happened isn't funny, casting blame about isn't very funny either.
Most security companies charge clients in the $20 an hour range and pay less than $10. (Don't believe statistics I have friends who work in the field and it's not a nice one to be in most of the time. I also worked in the field for a short amount of time after losing a much better paying job.)
At $8 an hour, figure averaging 40 hours a week if one is lucky and you have about 320 before taxes. That's not much especially if you think about the working conditions that can be in some cases rather hazardous. Admittedly there are those who are lucky enough to get into good paying positions but those tend to be few and far between. By and large security can be a thankless line of work where the paycheck is a pittance compared to the actual risk.
Sexual Assault of any sort is horrible and nothing I would wish even upon my worst enemy. But show some compassion for people who may be powerless to really do anything about the situation. Now if it turns out that the guard was an off duty cop (one of my ex's used to moonlight while off duty) then that tends to be a whole other can of worms. (let's just say that there is a reason he is an ex and leave it at that.)
Anyhow, I hope this doesn't feed too many trolls but by and large security guards are powerless 99% of the time to even detain a shop lifter or even say anything. Food for thought.
Making someone grab your arm forcefully already is illegal (assault and other more-obscure charges), and I have yet to see a justification for why it should be treated differently compared to sexual assault, if a theoretical person could be fine with being forced to grab a crotch but suffer trauma from being forced to grab an arm (because of religion, or whatever).Entitled said:
If there's a justification, then I'll concede.
Firstly, most of my postings have been about 'sexual assault,' with rape excluded, as I have yet to reach a conclusion on my feelings on rape and its punishments.
Nowhere in my post did I say that causing true emotional trauma should not be a crime. I only said that if we can reduce emotional trauma FROM these crimes (if it turns out that much of the trauma is a reaction to society's treatment of the crime and not to the crime itself), it would be beneficial to do so.
Regarding pain: If I break your leg on purpose, with intent to cause extreme pain without 'serious' injury, I feel that a misdemeanor is too light of a punishment. I feel as though that should be a felony, as it goes beyond simple assault. If there is some way to compare physical pain to emotional pain, I feel as though an equivalent amount of emotional pain to somebody should also be a felony if it is done deliberately, as that goes beyond simple harassment.
Forced rape that causes injury (and with X emotional trauma) should be punished more harshly than forced rape that doesn't cause injury (still with X emotional trauma), but that isn't to say that forced rape without injury should not be a felony, if it causes emotional trauma. If it doesn't cause emotional trauma, or causes considerably less trauma, then why should it be punished as harshly as the other cases?
I feel as though my words are a bit confusing, so feel free to ask some more about just what I mean. I want to make sure that my beliefs are internally consistent, after all, and with justification for everything.
Ok, you do kinda have me there, I admit I skimmed over it a bit. But the point I was trying to make there was that the guy should've at least given it a quick look instead of just saying "What do you expect me to do?". I know no-ones perfect, and there may have been other things that required his attention, but come on.Blablahb said:
I am compassionate, but I saw little reason to be gentle towards the guy that thinks he knows more about me than I do just because he suffers in a particular way.Lyri said:
I stand by my statement that his words are a direct insult to other victims, and am pointing it out so that hopefully he'll stop making generalizations like that in the future.
Wow, it's already hard enough to prove gamers aren't socially dysfunctional misogynists without freaks like this showing up. (the guy that is, not the girl of course)
You should probably try reading a little harder, Boudi is a chick as far as we're all aware and basically admitted to suffering some kind of sexual assault in this thread.chadachada123 said:
Re-evaluate your stance, you're coming of as a bit of a twat.
Also no, it isn't an insult to other victims to assume that they would need some kind of help during an ordeal like that.
Do you get offended when someone offers you an umbrella when it rains?
You're not being insulted at all, come down off your high horse.
It doesn't really help us out but being realistic this whole scenario could happen just about anywhere.Glass Joe the Champ said:
It sounds more like unfortunate circumstance and some severe loneliness that caused this incident, fuelled by alcohol and low self esteem.
Ok, first. That line, funny. Very funny is a rather pathetic and sad manner. On the whole this incident is incredible. This guy clearly needs to be registered as a sex offender regardless of the effects alcohol had on his judgment. His actions are unforgivable and he needs to face justice.Andy Chalk said:
Well, it's disgusting that it happened, and it's good that Notch is looking into it. I wish them the best of luck on finding the asshole.
Hopefully that guard is fired/reprimanded. "What do you expect me to do" is not an appropriate response when it's your job to ensure the safety of the people there. If somebody has just told you that they were sexually harassed/assaulted, you should get off your ass and work with them to find the person.
Hopefully that guard is fired/reprimanded. "What do you expect me to do" is not an appropriate response when it's your job to ensure the safety of the people there. If somebody has just told you that they were sexually harassed/assaulted, you should get off your ass and work with them to find the person.
What a fucking creep.
More on topic though, THE GUY IS SO CREEPY IT'S FUNNY, we're not laughing at the sexual assault jeeebuzz
More on topic though, THE GUY IS SO CREEPY IT'S FUNNY, we're not laughing at the sexual assault jeeebuzz