Notch: Windows 8 Could Be "Very Very Bad" for Indies

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Notch: Windows 8 Could Be "Very Very Bad" for Indies


Notch thinks Windows 8 will either make or break indie developers.

Minecraft creator and former lead developer, Markus "Notch" Persson, has added his voice to the growing chorus of concerns about the upcoming Windows 8 OS.

"If Microsoft decides to lock down Windows 8, it would be very, very bad for Indie games and competition in general," he said during a Q&A on Reddit. "If we can keep open platforms around, there's going to be a lot of very interesting games in ten years, mixed in with the huge AAA games that we all love."

While Microsoft hasn't detailed its plans for the new operating system, it's widely believed that the company's push for an Apple-like app store will make Windows 8 far more restrictive than its predecessors. The OS has been a hot topic ever since Valve's Gabe Newell labeled it a "catastrophe." [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/118706-Gabe-Newell-Thinks-Steam-Can-Help-Mainstream-Linux]

"I think that Windows 8 is kind of a catastrophe for everybody in the PC space," he told former Microsoft Game Studios head, Ed Fries. "I think that we're going to lose some of the top-tier PC [original equipment manufacturers]. They'll exit the market. I think margins are going to be destroyed for a bunch of people. If that's true, it's going to be a good idea to have alternatives to hedge against that eventuality."

Blizzard's Rob Pardo voiced his agreement shortly after.

"[Windows 8] is not awesome for Blizzard either," he tweeted.

Source: Reddit [http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/xfzdg/i_am_markus_persson_aka_notch_creator_of/?limit=500]




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Moonlight Butterfly

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Well I suppose we all could just not upgrade...

maybe.

It doesn't look good if these notable devs are worried about it.
 

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I guess now Notch has said it, it'll suddenly become a srs bsnss issue.

That said, it is good to see more people within the industry standing up and realising that Microsoft has seemingly developed a worrying trend, and decide to speak up about it.

All these horror stories about Windows 8 are certainly enough to put me off it, and if it is even half as bad as it seems it may be, might finally be the wake up call MS needed to realise the reason they are dominating OS usage with Windows, is because of the openness, ease of use and accessibility, take that away and you have.. hmm, hopefully a poorer, more humble Microsoft.
 

Two-A

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So Microsoft is gonna take their one advantage over Apple and destroy it? That's a pretty stupid idea if you ask me

If this does happen, I hope the indie movement can find a way to survive (there's always Linux, but coding for that OS is pretty darn complicated)
 

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Notch is a fucking retard. Only Windows on ARM is getting locked out, not Windows 8 itself. If you want to make your product and have it succeed don't put it on the Metro Store, and don't develop it for Windows on ARM.

Yes Windows 8 is going to be really bad, and it is going to bomb (probably worse than Vista), but it will have no merit, because I think that most people who game on their PCs will be sticking to Windows 7 anyways.

Notch should just stick to making mediocre games instead of trying to have an important presence in the industry, or just go on vacation again.
 

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Well, Notch beyond any other Indie dev, has the most possible pull on Microsoft, and the one who could make it better with devs. With the smash success of Minecraft on XBLA, if it was ever pulled from the service, or Notch decided not to release his next release on the Xbox, but went only to Sony, Microsoft could lose a LOT of money. How much that would convince them, though, is another matter.
 

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If windows 8 is going to be so bad for them they should just not develop games for it. If no one makes games for windows 8, no one upgrades to windows 8. That way everyone is happy, except maybe Microsoft.
 

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Viper1265 said:
If windows 8 is going to be so bad for them they should just not develop games for it. If no one makes games for windows 8, no one upgrades to windows 8. That way everyone is happy, except maybe Microsoft.
While "possible", Microsoft and by extension PCs are the primary place for games. So companies "could" keep making games for Win 7, But those that do would take a large hit to there profits. And if Microsoft stays the course with Win 9, 10, ect, then either Linux will suddenly take off (not fucking likely) or they will be forced to change with the times.
 

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robert01 said:
Notch is a fucking retard. Only Windows on ARM is getting locked out, not Windows 8 itself. If you want to make your product and have it succeed don't put it on the Metro Store, and don't develop it for Windows on ARM.

Yes Windows 8 is going to be really bad, and it is going to bomb (probably worse than Vista), but it will have no merit, because I think that most people who game on their PCs will be sticking to Windows 7 anyways.

Notch should just stick to making mediocre games instead of trying to have an important presence in the industry, or just go on vacation again.
You sound just like all the "There's still going to be a Start Menu on Win8" dumbasses.

There are plenty of places where Win8 is locked down - Microsoft will not allow anyone to produce a Metro browser, for example.
 

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It seems odd that so many big names are just piling onto all this if "it is not as bad as it seems" really?

i have seen nothing of windows 8 that impresses me personally, i loathe the whole touchscreen look and functionality, but i half assume i can lest turn that junk orr or just not use it if i so desire.

if the next windows is as restrictive as these guys seem to be implying, then i would think MS would be rife with lawsuits and anti trust suits, really they went thru this stuff with IE, if they that crazy to make windows so propriety that developers just cannot work with it, let them dig their own graves.
 

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Wait. There could be a day in the foreseeable future, when Apple OS is preferred over Windows OS?! Wow, that'll be the day.
 

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Sounds lame. The only reason I like windows is because of how customizable/open it is for me to loaf around and mess with stuff.

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RvLeshrac said:
robert01 said:
Notch is a fucking retard. Only Windows on ARM is getting locked out, not Windows 8 itself. If you want to make your product and have it succeed don't put it on the Metro Store, and don't develop it for Windows on ARM.

Yes Windows 8 is going to be really bad, and it is going to bomb (probably worse than Vista), but it will have no merit, because I think that most people who game on their PCs will be sticking to Windows 7 anyways.

Notch should just stick to making mediocre games instead of trying to have an important presence in the industry, or just go on vacation again.
You sound just like all the "There's still going to be a Start Menu on Win8" dumbasses.

There are plenty of places where Win8 is locked down - Microsoft will not allow anyone to produce a Metro browser, for example.
What? Metro is locked down, not Windows 8. Everything outside of the shit that is called Metro is still just the same Plain Jane operation system (without a Start Menu(which it actually still has to a very minor fucking degree). Windows 8 isn't going to destroy gaming the same way that Vista didn't by having Direct X 10 be exclusive to it. Everyone is just getting nervous of it becoming another walled garden (which for the most part is just Metro and WoA).

Torrasque said:
Wait. There could be a day in the foreseeable future, when Apple OS is preferred over Windows OS?! Wow, that'll be the day.
No you will see these developers and OEMs embrace Linux. Apple has pretty much dug its own grave when it comes to expanding its fan base past what it already is, and based on their current attitude towards everything competition you might start to see that become smaller.

Linux on the other hand will give software developers and OEMs the freedom to do what they want.
 

Jack and Calumon

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Fuck, does anyone not from Microsoft like this thing? Blizzard, Gabe, Notch all hate it. That's most of PC gamings heavyweights (No joke intended Gabe). If Todd Howard pops out his head now and calls it shit, then who's left? God, Microsoft, think you might be fucking up with this thing, do you? Because everyone else seems to think so!

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I think a good way to know if Windows 8 is a terrible idea is if the Activision CEO ends up being in favor of it, since he actively tries to undermine the gaming industry as hard as he can.
 

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For fuck's sake, Windows 8 is not going to be Metro only. Everything I have tried (except for MagicDisc, but that was on a much older preview) works perfectly fine, I've been using Win8 for gaming for months and it's brilliant. There is still a desktop with Aero-ish UI (it's been graphically updated to look more Metro-ish) and it will still support x86 programs.

Everyone calm the fuck down.
 

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I'm confused, do the dev's know something that we don't? Sure it's going to have a built in app store but it's not like their going to stop you from installing Steam or whatever else, Microsoft aren't that stupid because a move like that would be suicide.

I might not like metro design but at least I'm not slating an operating system which so far other than it's design has done nothing wrong, I've tried it out (both dev and release previews), it runs the same as 7 only it has a different GUI, people need to chill.
 

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Megacherv said:
For fuck's sake, Windows 8 is not going to be Metro only. Everything I have tried (except for MagicDisc, but that was on a much older preview) works perfectly fine, I've been using Win8 for gaming for months and it's brilliant. There is still a desktop with Aero-ish UI (it's been graphically updated to look more Metro-ish) and it will still support x86 programs.

Everyone calm the fuck down.
I think we both now that no matter how often or loud you voice yourself on the subject, people are going to keep doomsaying until the retail version comes out and everything turns out to be fine.