Note To Future Politicians: Being A Geek Can Only Hurt You If You Let It

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Techno Squidgy said:
Seriously, what is it with you Americans and demonising each other based on political affiliation. It's absolutely fucking ridiculous. Perhaps that whole two party thing isn't working out so well?
Yeah. Try the Canadian approach: let them fuck up, then vote them out. When they start talking about being in power again, hold their previous fuck up in their face, and say NO! Of course, all this leads to is a bigger rotating group of Fuck-ups, but at least any particular group usually has to wait long enough that the Individuals responsible must quit / retire before a new round of Idiots fucks something else up in their Party's name. If nothing else it makes for better comedy.
 

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Eric the Orange said:
Scorpid said:
You're right he should show more consideration to calling a spade a spade. I'll rephrase, GO ROSSALINCOLN YOU'RE THE BEST! I don't know why a party that is so hypocritical, they, much less anyone else, don't bat an eyelash when caught... daily. Only some democrats with their knowing snickers or exasperated sighs care at this point. Most democrats aren't awesome but at least running a actual government is on their list of priorities.

EDIT: I of course mean nationally. Locally republicans get more sane but living in a right to work state makes them still nasty.
So your problem wasn't the earlier stated problem, but rather it's ok to be biased as long as the bais agrees with what you think. So nothing that I actually said should bother you. Because the plain fact that bais exists was not your problem. So why single me out. Are you so mad that even someone who MIGHT disagree with you should be treated with scorn. And it's funny I'm a fairly liberal person and agree with most of what he said, but the meer fact that I could possibly ask him to tone it down is apparently offensive to you.
Bais against nonesense was one of my points. Pro that! The National republican party in its current form is none sense. I desperately wish we had a actual conservative party but we don't. We have reactionaries and gerrymandering as the effective platform for the Republican party. If there were two equal points to be made and this guy just refused to make them in a attempt purposefully mislead people with partial or inaccurate information then I would care.
 

Therumancer

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This almost made me laugh, almost... on so many levels. For starters, I think half the problem with the reactions here are that most people here don't really know much about Republicans, other than the media stereotype, and various straw man arguments. Something I've brought up in the past, but I'm not going to argue about here. The central point is that given that I've pretty much been representing the right wing in political discourse on these forums for years now (and have over 10,000 posts I believe), and have also talking about doing things in games that make this sampling of this guy's behavior seem tame, it shouldn't shock anyone that yes, Republicans game, like fantasy and science fiction, can really dig horror movies, and everything else. Indeed it's surprising that it seems every once in a while some democrat decides to pretend to be all shocked when they realize that the Republican party aren't the "scared old men" that left wing party propaganda tries to paint us as, sort of like the recent CPAC after dark article:

http://news.yahoo.com/cpac-after-dark-030519552.html;_ylt=A0LEVyzgzz1TtGsAo9JXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzOXE0NmxsBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDM3OF8x

Of course it should also be noted that one stock joke among Republicans for decades now has been "the difference between liberals and conservatives, is that liberals like beer and girls, where conservatives like COLD beer and HOT girls".

But I digress, SCA events, Renfaires, LARP groups, etc... all have good populations of right wingers, to the point where I've actually been surprised there hasn't been more forceful representation over a larger scale throughout fandom related communities than we've seen so far (though over the years I've seen the balance swing both ways).

At any rate, it is true that you do have the religious right, which has a particular place a party based thematically around strong local and state government (with people having the right to decide what happens in their back yard, so if say a strongly religious community chooses to have very moralistic laws, it's not the job of the Federal government to tell them 'no'. Democrats of course disagree, and hence the dispute... which I won't get into here since it's not the point).

That said what we're looking at in this particular case is a bit of political infighting, based on who is going to represent the party. Florida *is* a state with a lot of old people who do not like change, and where to a great extent the left wing stereotype of what Republicans are like can and do apply. After all your dealing with a lot of gated communities and such for seniors who pretty much want stability and a degree of societal isolation as they live out their last days. In this particular arena pointing out Rush's hobbies and painting him as one of the youth is a solid tactic by his opponent, banking on there being enough older people in this arena who have no idea about things like LARPing to care. On the other hand if the arena was different a candidate with these same kinds of hobbies (which are admittedly unusual among big politicians) could promote them as a strength, especially when trying to appeal to the
vote of "younger" Republicans of my generation and newer (ie Generation X and Y).

I'm not going to get into a fight over idealogy, but let's just say that "fear of change" or "misunderstanding" has little to do with the reason why most Republicans oppose some of the things (socially and otherwise) Republicans embrace. In a lot of cases it comes down to disagreement over what the facts of certain big issues actually are.

I'll also say that for once I don't think "Tea Party" has a lot to do with this other than Rush running against "their" candidate. On some levels they might actually be right, to be honest Rush seems like my kind of guy and someone who I'd vote for on the right side of the spectrum (where I am) on his own. Overall though one has to look towards who has the best chance of being able to beat the Democrats in Florida. The Republican Party has done well largely by being able to hold together it's coalition of enough older folks (as I said here the stereotype is true), and it's likely that this same basic voting bloc could carry them to victory, or have the best chance. Rush represents a gamble in terms of being able to pull in more of a youth vote and erode some of the liberal core, enough to equal, or surpass, what would be lost from traditional supporters. There isn't just this race to consider, but also a meta-strategy. As a registered Republican in that vote (which I'm not) I might very well vote against Rush, not because of his LARPing per se, or because it makes him a freak (indeed he's more like me than most politicians, even if I don't do the live action side
of things as a general rule... I've been to some SCA stuff though), but simply because I'm not sure if he'll be able to carry the state as well as the other guy and win the office. Running against your own party and running against the other side are two entirely different things.

It should be noted that in voting for the guy who I liked the best (which I usually do despite the above point) I have not once, ever, seen my preferred candidate win a primary election. Something which might also explain a bit about my relationship with the Republican party and why some have noted I tend to be more than a little critical of it on certain issues.
 
Oct 20, 2010
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Bradeck said:
This isn't your typical nerd, no need to defend him. His past involvements are FAR worse then this article leads one to believe.

Please view this piece by TYT for the real story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX5vrJGcSnQ

WOW what a TOOL! Damn, that commercial..../facepalm. Why not just Nail yourself to the cross and cut out the Middle Man?

Attacking him for being a LARPer is wrong. No argument. However I have to say, here is a CLASSIC example of "holding the Bible to lend It's Authority to what I say" followed by lumping in "Cops" and "Supports the Veterans" Based on that commercial ALONE I would go looking for dirt on this Fool.

The only thing I have left to say is 'Mercia, FUCK YEAH! I have never been happier to have cancelled Cable TV, all I need to do is follow US politics. Even Game of Thrones can't compete with it.
 

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MeChaNiZ3D said:
As a practicing atheist I wish people would stop fucking using their belief in God to imply that they are sound people that value fairness and tolerance. If anything I've probably seen more of that from atheists if I had to choose between the two, and the more you reinforce that being religious is a point in your favour, the more of an obstacle you are to it not mattering in elections, which it shouldn't.
I agree, but this is America we're talking about. If you don't append your progressive or open-minded statement of the day with "As a practicing Christian..." you lose something like half of your voter base. A lot of the politicos across Canada and America love pulling the Catholic and/or Christian card because it reassures the religiously fearful voters, but it's not actually an indication of any sort of honest faith.
 

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Techno Squidgy said:
Seriously, what is it with you Americans and demonising each other based on political affiliation. It's absolutely fucking ridiculous. Perhaps that whole two party thing isn't working out so well?
It really isn't working out too well but people won't vote for an independent because they feel that they are throwing their vote away. It blows chunks. I want a Libertarian on the ballot for once and get more than 5% of the votes.
 

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IceForce said:
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It's because, in those other cases, people actually agree with the quips.
Agreed. Kind of what I was getting at, really. People aren't "Don't be political!" or "don't editorialise!" They're "Don't be political/ditorialise in a way I disagree with!"

And I'm not entirely sure they're aware of it.

Strazdas said:
This is a candidate for election in US speaking. Of course it matter. In US mentioning your a christian = automatic charisma stats increase.
Yeah, but "as an American," it bothers me that this is our system.

Good to know. I lack a time machine, so these posts are always awkward as hell to navigate.

Mainly because you imagine that you have a left party.
Well, it's left...Relative to the opposing party....

>.>

You're right, though. We don't have a left/liberal party. We have a right party and a moderate party. And this should be obvious when you look at the "liberal" legislation that's so controversial. Gun control championed by Reagan and Bush. Health care championed by Dole and McCain (and Bush). Immigration reform that was a Republican idea 8 years ago.

"liberal" in this country has basically become "anyone I don't agree with."

Which is similar to what you said, but I felt like expanding.

LysanderNemoinis said:
Actually, it does. If he was a Muslim, no one would be attacking him for his hobbies, because if you say ANYTHING against a Muslim, you'll be labeled an islamophobe so fast it'll make your head spin. Same if someone was gay. I don't think Red Sox fans are a protected class, but Mormons sure as hell are not.
False persecution is not a solid reason. Muslims get freely attacked in this country all the time, including by those "liberal" media sources you're touting.
 

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Well that's encouraging to hear; of course we don't know if his stance WORKED yet but hopefully like the case of the WoW-playing politician before him, his hobby will turn out to be no big deal. If it turns out to be big enough to cripple his campaign and too "weird" for the conservative Republican demographic he's aiming for it will still be nice to hear that he took the stance of unapologetically defending his hobby instead of running from it when things got heated.
 

IceForce

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SilverStuddedSquirre said:
For a place devoted to free speech, there sure is a lot of Fascism from the admin and of things.
Errm, [citation needed]?
I don't remember this forum ever claiming to be "a place devoted to free speech".

In fact, the forum rules prohibit us from saying certain things, which is the opposite of free speech.

So, by the existence of the forum rules alone, that makes you dead wrong.
 

QuadFish

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LysanderNemoinis said:
I see it more as a way to be offended. I mean, it today's society if you happen to be straight, white, and male, you are not allowed to be offended by anything, no matter what anyone says or does to you. The only way a straight white male can be allowed to be offended is by being a Christian (which doesn't help too much as then you get a ton of shit for believing in God), but at least it's something.
Speaking as a straight, white male, I'd counter that conservative-minded white people tend to be offended merely by the existence of other peoples or their rights, and that's not a reasonable thing to be offended by. I appreciate the delicate interplay between majority and minority races and the need for political correctness, but that attitude is often quoted by people who are themselves being discriminatory about other races. Every time I've talked about LGBT rights on the internet someone shows up seeming mad solely at the existence of LGBT people, and that's just not okay. Seems to me like it's less about white people being restricted from feeling offence (which we aren't) and more about them having incredibly poor choice of things to be offended by.