NRA Likens Videogames to "the Filthiest Form of Pornography"

[chadachada123]

As a gun enthusiast, the NRA is full of shit. They stopped being reputable some time ago, and many gun owners are jumping ship and joining organizations that focus on liberty and the law, instead of focusing on getting assholes that happen to like guns elected.

Captcha: Know your rights. Fitting.

 

[Teh Jammah]

Ah, the good old 'video games muder simulator' arguement again is it? Well fear not chaps, since we all know playing a video game of something is exactly like doing it in real life, I'll use the Expert, World Class Legal, Detective and Forensic Pathology skills I gained after playing a couple of Ace Atourney games and put the kibosh on this whole thing

 

[Sunrider]

Gun-toting retards call video games bad. Oh noes, whatever shall we do when judged by the least reasonable people in the world after fundamentalists and the WBC?

 

[Breywood]

"Isn't fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography?"

Well, that's certainly an interesting way of putting it.

Hmm. I can't picture anyone at a shooting range doing something like that. It would have to be those guys playing those "cover based shooters" which feature realistic models of automatic lead spitters. Or Mass Effect, Diablo and Angry Birds!

Seriously, though, the NRA is throwing up some really poor excuses this time around. Nothing like "We need to instill better responsibility with firearms, that it's not a tool of empowerment or a toy as so many people are thought to believe." If they weren't so intent on trying to find another scapegoat they might actually have earned some cred.

 

[Breywood]

You forgot:

Violent Videogames in Canada: Yes
Culture most in similarity: USA
Media consumption most in similarity: USA
Gun control laws: Yes
Gun Violence in Canada: Minimal

This. But really, what can we expect from an organization who probably doesn't realize that there may be civilization on the other side of the US borders.

 

[Icehearted]

I give you, Rumble, by legendary guitarist and musician Link Ray.


Beautiful classic rock. Now the fun part.

"Wray was with Archie Bleyer's Cadence label and he wanted to record this as a single. Bleyer was ready to pass on it until his step daughter said she liked it and that it reminded her of the rumble scenes in West Side Story. Bleyer named the song "Rumble" and decided to release it. The title made the song somewhat controversial because it implied gang violence - some radio stations refused to play it. It might be the only instrumental song ever banned on the radio. -Songfacts

So, some misguided idiots think video games are the new rumble.... again. As if Thompson wasn't already lord of the nitwits, a new generation of people would rather deflect personal accountability and societal failures toward the mentally ill and video games.

There's nothing I can say about this that hasn't been said here by others better than I can say myself, however frustration compels me to vent. Before there were 3D violent realistic video games, people were murdering because of movies, before that books such as Rage which one idiot said inspired a school shooting and the book was pulled even though a lot of others read it and never murdered a soul. Kinda like that jackass that called himself the Joker and murdered people at a movie theater, because one guy doing something wrong MUST mean the millions of others that saw that movie and didn't murder people will eventually do the same, right?

This logic is applicable to gun restriction, with one very big exception. Movies, video games, books, and music are all types of entertainment, degrees of the same thing, used by people the world over, without problems like we have here in America. Hell, Japan's level of acceptable violence in entertainment exceeds our own to the point where a movie like Kill Bill has to be censored for American release, but may remain intact in Japan. Unlike these other countries we have loose gun control laws, and unlike other countries such as Japan or Germany we've got mass murders, spree killing, and gun related violence in spades. That's the exception; we're armed to the teeth and they aren't, and we're killing ourselves en masse and they aren't.

The only thing that frustrates me is that this is justified some how, the topic goes stagnant, and we get to see this happen all over again. C'est la vie.

 

[Atmos Duality]

I hope they have plenty of mouthwash to wash the taste of foot out of their mouths.

Too true...too true.

'It's fitting that those who make tasteless statements lack such, or they'd gag on the very bile they spew from their mouths.'

 

[lechat]

way to deflect NRA

 

[Arslan Aladeen]

Wasn't the whole point of Natural Born Killers about the media glorifying violence? At least a strong theme in it. I don't know, just seems sorta funny that he would be using that movie as an example. As far as the whole issue is concerned, I don't see movies or games or whatever capable of turning anyone into a psychopath, aside from those who already would've been one anyway. And I don't see why people are so uptight about stricter rules for owning something which the sole purpose of is to kill.

1) NBK is a work of fiction, and so using it to argue a point on gun violence is pretty silly. That being said,

2) Even disregarding point (1) above, the question remains: in the movie, had the media not followed the Knox' rampage, would they still have gone on a killing spree? I personally think yes.

I agree, it is silly. I just sorta wonder if he actually has seen the movie, or just remembers the controversy over the violence.

 

[VivaciousDeimos]

Because clearly there weren't any shootings prior to the advent of video games...<a href=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman>oh wait.

Their argument is sad and tired and I think PA summarized it nicely, "It is a very odd sort of Patriot that would destroy the First Amendment to protect the Second."

 

[Something Amyss]

If responsible gun owners are looking for middle ground, why are so many people joining the NRA? Thousands on top of their existing membership have joined up since a psycho murdered 20 children. If the NRA do not represent responsible gun owners, if they're looking something between the extremes, then the US is LOUSY with irresponsible gun owners.

Maybe the rest of the world is right about how dangerous we are.

 

[renegade7]

"There exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people"

Curious thing for the NRA to say...

 

[Something Amyss]

It might be the only instrumental song ever banned on the radio.

I wouldn't count on that. Remember, a lot of jazz/swing/etc was verboten even during a period where it was played, simply because we feared the influence of the "evil negro."

Which just goes to make the larger point...This has been around for ages. And ages. And AGES.

 

[Arcane Azmadi]

These NRA cunts are sick. Sick, perverted and evil. Why the FUCK does anyone take these douchebags seriously?

 

[Icehearted]

It might be the only instrumental song ever banned on the radio.

I wouldn't count on that. Remember, a lot of jazz/swing/etc was verboten even during a period where it was played, simply because we feared the influence of the "evil negro."

Which just goes to make the larger point...This has been around for ages. And ages. And AGES.

"evil negro"... if I had a nickel for every time...

Your last remark hits it right on the head, my friend.

 

[Saika Renegade]

They're just preferring to blame an easy target rather than address real political, mental, emotional, and sociological concerns. I can understand why, though, actively thinking and solving problems is difficult, costly, and painful.

 

[J Tyran]

There's a problem when people are regularly charged with a crime when defending themselves in their own home, no matter the implement used.

This makes me angry, you are perfectly entitled to defend yourself in the UK. The caveat is it has to be reasonable force, i.e. If someone punches you getting into a fist fight to defend yourself is fine, belting them half to death with a baseball is not. If someone attacks you with a knife you can do whatever it takes to ensure they are no longer a threat to you.

People are often arrested after violent self defense yes, especially if its a serious incident but this is just procedure. The law wants a recorded interview and statement, this is in case things are not how they appear and the self defense was actually a crime. Sometimes people even get charged and have to go to court but thats the point, we have laws and strive towards justice. You cannot go around and assault people, in certain circumstances cases of self defense may appear to be a crime. Then its up to the Jury to decide, or if the CPS made a terrible bungle the Judge will dismiss it without a trial. A recent example would be the Peter Flanagan case, a group of four men burgled a house armed with a machete. One of the burglars was stabbed during a struggle after the home owner grabbed a kitchen knife, he later died from his wounds. The home owner unfortunately was arrested but after a short investigation he was released and faced no charges. The other three burglars where sentenced from six to eight years in custody, the one that got eight also carried the machete and fought with Mr Flanagan.

These laws are intended to protect people, it doesn't always work out right but the idea is to stop people from claiming self defense as the motive for a crime. It also trys to stop people like Tony Martin [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)] from taking matters into their own hands and summarily executing criminals instead of leaving it to the justice system. Taking revenge on a criminal and beating the hell out of them is unlawful to, punishment comes from the law not citizens. There is a move to reform the law to clearly define exactly what reasonable force is.

 

[TechNoFear]

Strange how the answer to children getting shot to death is to control children's access to virtual firearms, and increase the number of real firearms around children...

The NRA would appear to be very silly people indeed.
...but then I'm English and, as far as I've been told, am utterly unqualified to talk about guns whatsoever.

Less about guns, and more about anything involving crime whatsoever. There's a problem when people are regularly charged with a crime when defending themselves in their own home, no matter the implement used. That happens quite a lot in the UK.


As for LaPierre's statement, it's no more nonsensical than all the calls for more gun control.

I would not call 11 prosecutions in the last 23 years 'regularly'. The US has had over 50 mass shootings in that time frame.

And there was political will to get changed/clarified this year, 'Grossly disproportionate' force will still be illegal but force can be used.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19879314

It is easy to pick exceptions like these;

In the US a man with a knife chased someone who had stolen their car radio for a block, stabbed them to death, then sold some of the thief's stolen goods and went home to sleep.

He did not ring 911, hid the murder weapon and denied doing anything (until shown the video...).

Yet he was aquitted under the 'stand your ground' laws because the thief swung a bag at him...

http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2012/03/fl-man-cleared-in-stand-your-ground-stabbing.html

 

[BlazeRaider]

I agree with the NRA on this one. Incidently, I am also a very big fan of the filthiest pornography.

 

[marurder]

Well, it is clear to me that the best way to win the next election is to antagonize potential voters. But it seems they aren't too concerned with the younger demographics voting anyways... lol.