Obama ends military ban
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If a gay man hits on you. Tell them you are straight.Eclectic Dreck said:
Ended. That assmes a gay man even hits on you. People need to get it out of their minds that gays are some sort of sex craving lunatics that will jump you in the shower.
I served four years on active duty. I served alongside men who were openly gay around anyone they thought they could trust... I've showered with said men, and they never looked at another man inappropriately while on duty. If anything, the gay soldiers I've met have been more professional than the rest of us. I indulged in the occasional joking/bragging regarding female soldier's "attributes" and which ones I've sampled... you'd never hear any such talk from the gay soldiers I've served with regarding the civilian men they've been with, in any company. Honestly, I was proud to serve with those men, and would still trust them with my life.
Infantry and Special Forces will come around when "the queers" start serving with them. Every fear, every downside is merely an irrational reaction to a widely believed stereotype.
Infantry and Special Forces will come around when "the queers" start serving with them. Every fear, every downside is merely an irrational reaction to a widely believed stereotype.
Just glad I'm not being seen as the crazy person in the corner of the room. As for that whole break-you-down thing, I dunno. The most experience I have with special forces training is that I read a book about it (and even that made me go O_O), but I don't think boot camp changed me really. I'm probably slightly more outgoing and in-shape than I was, but other than that I'm pretty much the same. Can't say that's true for everybody though; I'm pretty resistant to others' attempts to change me, and I didn't sign up for patriotic reasons. I just did it because I was jobless in a bad economy. Don't get me wrong though, I'm proud of my job and my sense of duty is all there, I just don't buy in to all that propaganda BS.Enamour said:
And you, you're just not understanding what I am trying to say, so forget it. I don't make a habit of arguing with brick walls.LokiArchetype said:
You know, your damn avatar makes me read every one of your posts like it's being said with attitude by Tyra Banks. Just thought you should know that.Dags90 said:
I personally find it hilarious that a man can not fear guns, knives, chemical weapons and suicide bombers, but lies in constant terror that someone in his unit might try to kiss him on the bottom.
Newsflash, you're just not that beautiful, buddy, they CAN resist you. I assume you consider women to be safe from being raped by you just because they work near you? Therefore quit worrying about gays. They really don't try to slip it when you pick up the soap in the shower.
Yes, I'm using terrible outdated stereotypes, but that seems to be what homophobia is built upon. If you as a straight man, can work with women, then gay men can work with you.
Newsflash, you're just not that beautiful, buddy, they CAN resist you. I assume you consider women to be safe from being raped by you just because they work near you? Therefore quit worrying about gays. They really don't try to slip it when you pick up the soap in the shower.
Yes, I'm using terrible outdated stereotypes, but that seems to be what homophobia is built upon. If you as a straight man, can work with women, then gay men can work with you.
That.FalloutJack said:
The unit cohesion argument is obsolete. If Soldier A cannot perform with efficiency and calculated action because of a personal issue it has with Soldier B, the problem lies with Soldier A and should not have been permitted past BT if its first priority was not "to be an effective soldier".
Oh no!
But everybody knows a gay man will bum you the first chance he gets!
It's common knowledge.
/massive amounts of sarcasm
Finally something sensible has been done.
But everybody knows a gay man will bum you the first chance he gets!
It's common knowledge.
/massive amounts of sarcasm
Finally something sensible has been done.
But I have to ask again. What legislation? Because repealing a law that didnt actually ban homosexuals from military service is not new legislation and as best as I can tell, even if this is in effect what the purpose of repeaing DADT is, there is no actual legislation that has been written and passed. If there is no actual legislation, or the law that banned homosexuals is not stricken then there is nothing legally stopping a commanding officer from asking the question and immediately discharging on the answer.Dags90 said:
Again as best as I have been able to find, nothing new was written and Dont ask dont tell wasnt what banned homosexuals from military service in the first place, and the provision that did is still firmly in place.
My god, that's hilarious/strangely hypnotic...Dags90 said:They should've used this instead.
It's a good source of your daily potassium and sodomy.
Ot: About frickin' time.
Is this not VERY much relative to what YOU consider the problem with your country? For gay servicemen, this is as huge issue, and would certainly count as "fixing the country", in the name of tolerance and people's freedom to be who they are. SO many times have I heard americans complain about presidents "not fixing the country", but it's always that "FIX OUR COUNTRY". There are A LOT of things to deal with. Are you talking about the economy? Crime? Schools? All of this has to be fixed, but one man can only do so many things at a time.MoeTheMonk said:
Put simply, the military will have to adapt. This isn't some totally unique scenario, the Australian Defence Force removed its own version of DADT over a decade ago and now offers the same housing and pension benefits to homosexual couples (registered "interdependant" couples that is, since Australia still doesn't have gay marriage). Heck, just last year the ADF chipped in for a soldier's gender realignment surgery and now officially recognizes her as a female.Jack the Potato said:
I'm not trying to antagonize here, I understand where you're coming from. But in the end you can't stand in the way of progress and ask for special exemptions because there might possibly be a negative consequence that can be avoided through appropriate training. I'm just trying to assure you here that this has happened before, and the same questions and concerns were raised. And as it turns out, it's not such a big deal at all.
Also no offence, but you must have a pretty high opinion of yourself to think that fully trained gay soldiers are going to be distracted by you. Gay men have just as much self control as straight men, much more even considering how they have to hide their orientation most of the time. Also, they've been serving on the front lines with you all along, you just don't know who they are yet.Jack the Potato said:
What? Gay's where banned in the US Military? Hell, they've always been allowed to serve in the British Armed Forces? Most of them are bloody good soldiers, especially at the admin side of things! The guy in my squad during basic helped us get our rooms perfect for most inspections ( I say most, because the Sergeant/Corporal WILL find something to beast you about...)
The OP asked my opinion and I gave it. Sorry, I'm not gay and not ever going to join the military, so forgive me if allowing gays to announce that they're gay while in active service doesn't restore my faith in the Obama presidency. Especially when we are now trillions in debt, about to default on our loans in less than 2 weeks, and in order to encourage businesses in this country and make the average citizen's life easier, he wants to raise taxes. So YEAH in my opinion, Obama needs to stop SCREWING around and fix things.Vakz said: