Obama's Eligibility

[wgreer25]

Probably just rumours. In all likelyhood Obama is going to do wonders for the US's image, which needs a little boosting these days. I severely doubt he has more to hide than the average politician, not that I think he's a saint. Its still politics, after all.

I agree that he had the POTENTIAL to do wonders for our image, but there is A LOT we do not know about him (he has some questionable ties with the PLO that are disturbing). I belive that he is a natural born citazen, but I think the reason he doesn't want to release is BC is because his religion is probably listed as Muslim. For me (and the other educated people in our country) I say big frakin' deal. I don't care if he was born Muslim (his father was and that is probably why it might be on his BC that way). If this is the case he might be affraid of blowback from the public. I personally don't care (as long as he is a natural born citizen) and I think a lot of people would agree with me. I would care if he hid this fact though.

 

[Spartan Bannana]

It wouldn't overturn the election anyway, Mccain was born in Panama, but you don't see anyone complaining about that, now do you?

 

[crimsondynamics]

Fair enough. What troubles me is: why wasn't this information required to ensure a potential candidate's legitimacy to run for office in the first place?

You need to be a citizen to ASSUME office. There's no ban on seeking the office. If Schwarzenegger wanted to run, he could. He just couldn't be inaugurated if he won, and the House of Representatives would have to elect the president, because noone eligible got a majority.

Thanks for that information. I'm not a US citizen and assumed citizenship was right there among age as criteria for eligibility (e.g. if I'm not old enough I can't be a candidate).

Still, it makes me wonder why would the Democrats have him as a candidate anyhow, and expend so much effort in the campaign on someone who couldn't assume office? I think at the end of the day the Democrats must have done their due diligence.

 

[Rankao]

I didn't vote for him and if he wasn't a natural born president he wouldn't be able to become president.

but the fact is that I'm pretty sure his mother is in fact American and if he was born to her on U.S. grounds then he is in fact a Born U.S. Citizen.

Anyways there nothing anyone can do about it till January 20th. Until a Constitutional crime has been committed no one can trail him or anything life that.

If his mother is an American citizen, he could be born in Russia and he's still a natural born citizen. This whole mess is because he's not an old white man.

Well his father is Nigerian, but he had one American Parent so it doesn't matter. Just playing Devils Advocate

 

[The Kind Cannibal]

I think it's a BS rule to begin with, I mean just because you weren't born here makes you incapable/incompetent to be a good president?

If someone asked for me to prove something I'd get instantly defensive, which I think Obama has been doing. Basically, "Are you insinuating that I'm not a citizen?"

 

[Anomynous 167]

To clarify: I do believe Obama was elected in full accordance to the law, but let's face it: he is the first black president of the USA - I can also understand why he would be a bit paranoid about this whole situation.
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I disagree, William G Hardings was the 1st african american president. I am from Australia and even i know that.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

I think it's a BS rule to begin with, I mean just because you weren't born here makes you incapable/incompetent to be a good president?

they have been trying to change it for a while now, it wasn't originally part of the constitution, it was only added in the last 100 years or so

as for the topic on hand, he's even admitted that he was not born in the states and here's video proof of it, see him admit it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vws9fTtQgz4

 

[Graustein]

Probably just rumours. In all likelyhood Obama is going to do wonders for the US's image, which needs a little boosting these days. I severely doubt he has more to hide than the average politician, not that I think he's a saint. Its still politics, after all.

I agree that he had the POTENTIAL to do wonders for our image, but there is A LOT we do not know about him (he has some questionable ties with the PLO that are disturbing). I belive that he is a natural born citazen, but I think the reason he doesn't want to release is BC is because his religion is probably listed as Muslim. For me (and the other educated people in our country) I say big frakin' deal. I don't care if he was born Muslim (his father was and that is probably why it might be on his BC that way). If this is the case he might be affraid of blowback from the public. I personally don't care (as long as he is a natural born citizen) and I think a lot of people would agree with me. I would care if he hid this fact though.

Except that his birth certificate has in fact been released. Here it is. [http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg]. As you'll note, it doesn't list any religion.

 

[kapzer]

Personally I think "screw the law" in this case. The United States needs Obama's effect on them. I hope that he carries out his duties well and is not hindered by anyone. It'll have a chain effect on the rest of the world, the US being the largest world power. It can only spell positive this way. Well...there you go. President Obama is indeed eligible. Now let's improve the world, together, shall we?

 

[crimsondynamics]

To clarify: I do believe Obama was elected in full accordance to the law, but let's face it: he is the first black president of the USA - I can also understand why he would be a bit paranoid about this whole situation.
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I disagree, William G Hardings was the 1st african american president. I am from Australia and even i know that.

What?

 

[qbert4ever]

Here's the thing, that picture that was put up is not a direct photo of the actual thing, plus it has the certificate number blacked out so there's no way to tell if it is real or not. And I gotta say, if I was running for president and the question of if I was born here or not came up, then the very next time I'm on TV I would hold my birth certificate right up to the camera for all to see. The law says that he needs to have been born in the US, and how anybody can say that it's not his duty to prove to the very people voting for him beyond all reasonable doubt that he's not full of shit, is beyond me.

That being said, I do think that it is a BS law. You should be able to get elected even if you weren't born here. And if it IS a conspiracy (OMG I said the "C" word! I must be crazy!) to get him into office, then I doubt that it's much more then the higher-ups saying "we do not need another fucking republican right now".

Now, there is the whole "if he won't stop beating around the bush with this issue, what else is he hiding?" slippery-slope stuff, but I try to stay away from that. I hope that he shows it, but as long as he does a better job then You-Know-Who, and stays away from that draft BS, whatever.

 

[AceDiamond]

You know I think there was a time where questioning something like this was grounds for treason, though I think at this point they should just be jailed for being so goddamn stupid as to not realize he couldn't have run in the first place if he wasn't a US Citizen.

 

[Pigeon_Grenade]

Here's the crazy thing. Let's ignore for a moment that we have a publicaly avaible and shown Hawaii birth certificate.

Obama's mother is a United States Citizen. Even if he *had* been born abroad, he *also* would be a USC, so long as the registered the birth with an American consulate...

Honestly, the 'he's not a citizen' thing fails double hard because of this, for the simple reason I have yet to see anybody claim he's lying about who his mother is, and therefore it seems they don't know, or forget, that people born to USC's abroad are also natural born citizens..

so they are asking for the Original Printing?, not the Publicly stored one?

 

[Sirisaxman]

To clarify: I do believe Obama was elected in full accordance to the law, but let's face it: he is the first black president of the USA - I can also understand why he would be a bit paranoid about this whole situation.
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I disagree, William G Hardings was the 1st african american president. I am from Australia and even i know that.

Que? It doesn't count if you had a black great-grandfather or something, I think.

 

[qbert4ever]

You know I think there was a time where questioning something like this was grounds for treason, though I think at this point they should just be jailed for being so goddamn stupid as to not realize he couldn't have run in the first place if he wasn't a US Citizen.

I know it. It's not like people in high positions of power would EVER lie to us in order to either keep the greater good, or for their own personal gain.

Look, shit happens, alright? People lie. People in positions of power even more so. Does this mean I think everybody should be a nutjob running around finding "23" everywhere? No. All I'm saying is that when somebody does something so obviously weird, people should stand up and take notice. After all, he's going to be the president of the United States. One would think that he, more then anyone, should make an open book of his life.

 

[Anomynous 167]

To clarify: I do believe Obama was elected in full accordance to the law, but let's face it: he is the first black president of the USA - I can also understand why he would be a bit paranoid about this whole situation.
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I disagree, William G Hardings was the 1st african american president. I am from Australia and even i know that.

Que? It doesn't count if you had a black great-grandfather or something, I think.

I suppose what your saying is just because I am 0.1%, italian that makes me un-italian?
I fail to see your point... (Let's not go off track)

 

[PatientGrasshopper]

OK, the article mentions this:

"Under our Constitution, no one is eligible to assume the Office of the President unless he or she is a 'natural born citizen,'" said Bob Schulz, Chairman of the Foundation. "To date, Mr. Obama has refused all requests to release his original birth certificate or other documents that would definitively establish his citizenship status and thus his constitutional eligibility."

Fair enough. What troubles me is: why wasn't this information required to ensure a potential candidate's legitimacy to run for office in the first place?

I agree it should be required, I don't understand how he got away with not showing his birth certificate to begin with, it does appear he is hiding something. I mean McCain acknowledged he wasn't born in America but he was born on a military base in what had been an American territory.

 

[AceDiamond]

You know I think there was a time where questioning something like this was grounds for treason, though I think at this point they should just be jailed for being so goddamn stupid as to not realize he couldn't have run in the first place if he wasn't a US Citizen.

I know it. It's not like people in high positions of power would EVER lie to us in order to either keep the greater good, or for their own personal gain.

Look, shit happens, alright? People lie. People in positions of power even more so. Does this mean I think everybody should be a nutjob running around finding "23" everywhere? No. All I'm saying is that when somebody does something so obviously weird, people should stand up and take notice. After all, he's going to be the president of the United States. One would think that he, more then anyone, should make an open book of his life.

Right so we don't have to know whether or not Bush actually served in the Air National Guard like he claimed but didn't, we don't need to know whether or not he had a wild past...etc.

See where I'm going with this? you can't have it both ways. There is no way that anybody could run for president if they weren't a natural born US Citizen. There just isn't. People would check when they announced their candidacy or their intent to run. He wouldn't have even gotten into the primaries.

He's a US Citizen, fucking live with it. And you know what? If I'm wrong then I guess I'll look really stupid but I'm not too worried about it. Yes I'm willing to trust snopes, yes i'm believing in a lot here. But again, whatever. Our last president stole an election, Nixon stole an election, it's hardly the worst thing going on in election history.

And hey, no need to make a book when nobody will believe it anyway (see: John Kerry in 2004 getting Swiftboated by a bunch of people who weren't even there)

EDIT: I apologize for my tone in this but I'm just really fed up with the things said in this particular election. "He's a terrorist, he's a terrorist sympathizer, he's a muslim" lie after lie after lie, hence my belief that him not being a US Citizen is just another lie conjured up by petty pantywaists who just need to get the fuck over the fact they lost. John McCain manned up, why didn't they?

 

[USSR]

Better question, why do we have to be a 'natural born citizen'?

Because the constitution says so =p.

 

[Anomynous 167]

EDIT: I apologize for my tone in this but I'm just really fed up with the things said in this particular election. "He's a terrorist, he's a terrorist sympathizer, he's a muslim" lie after lie after lie, hence my belief that him not being a US Citizen is just another lie conjured up by petty pantywaists who just need to get the fuck over the fact they lost. John McCain manned up, why didn't they?

Don't bullshit your self... He is NOT a terrorist, he is jst incompetent and a non-US citizen (Can the United States of America that doesn't include Canada, please choose a name that isn't so ambigous?)
As a attempted conservitive I will do what liberals do and take things out of context... YOU JUST CALLED OBAMA A TERRORIST.