I would just like to say KOTOR 1 was ten times better in story and characters than Obsidian's KOTOR 2. I forget like 3/4 of that game yet remember almost everything from KOTOR 1. And I played both of them alot. But I am grateful they made fallout. I just think Bethesda did good to make it like Oblivion a little more.j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:secretsantaone said:
See those two guys? One of them is Chris Avellone. He used to work for Interplay, and has acted as writer/creative lead for games including Fallout 2, Planescape: Torment, and KOTOR II, not to mention Mask Of The Betrayer.
The guy on the right is Tim Cain. He's pretty much responsible for creating Fallout. He also co-founded Troika studios, and was the lead designer on Arcanum.
Both those guys are working at Obsidian, along with other veterans of Black Isle and Interplay. These guys are absolute legends, and some of the best designers the industry has ever produced. Say what you will about Obsidian's reputation for bugs, the studio is still the best collection of veteran writers and designers in the entire industry. They're the only mainstream studio able to create stories and characters that even come close to the best of what other mediums are offering (and no, the first person to mention Bioware gets a kick in the teeth). If Obsidian shuts down, all that serves to prove is that gamers aren't interested in genuinely intelligent writing and freedom of choice in their games, and would rather focus more on ham-handed soap opera and cinematic prettiness.
Obsidian are old-school to the core. The industry would be a far, far worse place without them around.
I agree with everything you said, and think Tim Cain is awesome and severely underrated. I just disagree with the characters parts. Obsidian has good stories, moderate characters, and >>GREAT<< mechanics for choice. (Probably the best) Obsidian excels at offering great ways for the player to influence the game. You know that "expressionism" Extra Credits has been talking about in the recent JRPG/WRPG episodes? Obsidian are the kings of in-game expressionism. To hell with what color you want your hair to be, you make choices in the stories and see your game alter around it. Their mechanics used to offer this are often fresh or simply remastered version of old school stuff. (Like factions in FO:NV) When these guys are given the creative reigns of the free choice game, they shine.j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:secretsantaone said:
See those two guys? One of them is Chris Avellone. He used to work for Interplay, and has acted as writer/creative lead for games including Fallout 2, Planescape: Torment, and KOTOR II, not to mention Mask Of The Betrayer.
The guy on the right is Tim Cain. He's pretty much responsible for creating Fallout. He also co-founded Troika studios, and was the lead designer on Arcanum.
Both those guys are working at Obsidian, along with other veterans of Black Isle and Interplay. These guys are absolute legends, and some of the best designers the industry has ever produced. Say what you will about Obsidian's reputation for bugs, the studio is still the best collection of veteran writers and designers in the entire industry. They're the only mainstream studio able to create stories and characters that even come close to the best of what other mediums are offering (and no, the first person to mention Bioware gets a kick in the teeth). If Obsidian shuts down, all that serves to prove is that gamers aren't interested in genuinely intelligent writing and freedom of choice in their games, and would rather focus more on ham-handed soap opera and cinematic prettiness.
Obsidian are old-school to the core. The industry would be a far, far worse place without them around.
Did you play New Vegas? That has some of the best character development out there. Benny is a likeable villian, Caesar is actually quite interesting, and you can feel the torments of your companions- Veronica especially. It also has quite a good story, a nobody that gets involved in a massive political intrigue is a better story than the classic "Hero's Journey" that happens in most sci-fi/fantasy.Dejawesp said:
The critics and audiences disagree.Adam Jensen said:
fallout New Vegas did have a story it was fallout 3 that didn't have a story. No character development? The companions alone have more development than all of fo3 combined.Dejawesp said:
Yeah, it was absolutely nothing but a love-letter to the series. Not saying it was bad, but it cannot compare to Kotor II's story and characters. I agree with every single thing you said, which I why I feel bad every time Obsidian Entertainment somehow gets damaged.j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
Fallout New Vegas was an rpg YOU were the courier or bob who was a bos member from Louisiana was the courier. If you want a character that characterized by the game play jrpgs. Plus fallout new vegas is more like fallout, civilization rebuilding. fo3 is omg the just ended how do we survive. There is just no way that is 200 years after, more like 2 years. Fallout new vegas gives you choice. Fallout 3 never does that it is here are some super mutants now shoot em', now here is the enclave now shoot em'. Fallout bew vegas lets you shape the wasteland how ever you please.Dejawesp said:
Fallout New Vegas was an rpg YOU were the courier or bob who was a bos member from Louisiana was the courier. If you want a character that characterized by the game play jrpgs. Plus fallout new vegas is more like fallout, civilization rebuilding. fo3 is omg the just ended how do we survive. There is just no way that is 200 years after, more like 2 years. Fallout new vegas gives you choice. Fallout 3 never does that it is here are some super mutants now shoot em', now here is the enclave now shoot em'. Fallout bew vegas lets you shape the wasteland how ever you please.Dejawesp said:
Much like every game with Bethesda QA. If only it had a Bethesda marketing budget, too...Jegsimmons said: