They're getting better at it.FredTheUndead said:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/107435-BioWare-Lifts-the-Lid-on-Dragon-Age-2-DRM
This one sounds pretty reasonable, at least when compared to Spore.
Obsidian Promises No More Bugs with Dungeon Siege III
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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/107435-BioWare-Lifts-the-Lid-on-Dragon-Age-2-DRM
This one sounds pretty reasonable, at least when compared to Spore.
Hey I liked that! FA:NV was worse for bugs. Much worse.sheic99 said:
Alot of developers make their own engines in-house. Won't be worse than Bethesda's engine. With any luck it won't produce games that have "Unreal Engine 3" written all over the visuals too.Patrick_and_the_ricks said:
As to why I think it will be better:
As a software dev I've lost count of the amount of times I've thrown my arms in the air out of frustration because some tool that I didn't code but have to use has some really irritating little shortcoming or bug that breaks something I did code. I can't fix it because I can't reverse engineer it and fix that little bug myself. Sometimes it's even something as apparently trivial as functions being named things that seem a little ass-backwards. Like using a right handed mouse when you're left handed. Arguably that would be *my* fault or problem, but if enough of it is like that the result is the same - it's unworkable.
A few times I've said screw it, thrown out whatever tool I was struggling to use and built my own.
It cost more in time, but the results were so much better because rather than using an old, buggy tool for a job that it wasn't explicitly designed for in the first place*, you are using a clean, fit for purpose tool specifically made to do exactly what *you* want it to do.
* Obviously a game engine is engineered to be a game engine - I'm talking about very specific tasks here. Obsidian know exactly what they want for their new game - they can make a lean, mean game engine machine to do that, do it well and do nothing else. Bethesda's engine would have had a decade worth of bloat and deprecation in it, and as we devs know the phrase "legacy support" does not a happy coder make.
This way they create a scalpel to replace the meat cleaver they were previously using to make the delecate incision required to implant an experience in someone's mind.
Joining the chorus on this one. New Vegas and Alpha Protocol are two of my favorite games of last year, so Dungeon Siege III is guaranteed to get at least some of my money, but I'm sure there's going to at least be one major bug that they won't catch despite their best efforts.
P.S.: I still had fewer problems with New Vegas than I did with Fallout 3, so they must've done something right.
P.S.: I still had fewer problems with New Vegas than I did with Fallout 3, so they must've done something right.
As Obsidian currently stands on the top three list of my favorite devs (along with Quantic Dream and CD Projekt Red), I'm happy to hear that. I won't believe until I'll actually see it, but I have my fingers crossed.
Oh, Obsidian...
You fooled me with KotOR 2
The surprise was less with Neverwinter Nights 2
I saw the heartbreak coming with Fallout: New Vegas. I knew you were gonna let everybody down.
You honestly expect me to believe you *can* release a game that isn't broken? Yeah, I won't be holding my breathe for that one, either.
You fooled me with KotOR 2
The surprise was less with Neverwinter Nights 2
I saw the heartbreak coming with Fallout: New Vegas. I knew you were gonna let everybody down.
You honestly expect me to believe you *can* release a game that isn't broken? Yeah, I won't be holding my breathe for that one, either.
What do you think he is referring to when he says 'stability?' Game Crashes, game breaking bugs and several other things that could ruin the stability of your game.Turio said:
He is making a claim that their going to be sure to test the game more thoroughly (I.E. He's aiming to make Dungeon Siege III less buggy compared to their other titles.) When the title refers to bug-free, it means no more crashes or corrupted saves or losing several hours of game time just because an AI doesn't function right. No one cares if a character clips into the scenery a lot and that's not what we're looking for right here. And he did just state that they're placing making a more stable experience higher on the charts for things needed, which is essentially the same as saying "We promise we'll work harder at it."Turio said:
Obsidian, your games being buggy and crashing has absolutely nothing to do with game engines. At all.
Instead, it has everything to do with you having a shitty, lazy, incompetent QA department, all of whom should have been fired and executed years ago.
Actually, scratch that. It seems like everyone who isn't an artist or involved in the story/character department has no idea what the hell they are doing.
As a matter of fact, the only reason most of your recent games even half work is because they've been based off things where 60% or so of the work was already done for you by someone not incompetent, IE: Bethesda or EPIC.
Stick to stories and characters and plots Obsidian. Let other people do all the actual gameplay work for you; trust me, it'll turn out better.
Instead, it has everything to do with you having a shitty, lazy, incompetent QA department, all of whom should have been fired and executed years ago.
Actually, scratch that. It seems like everyone who isn't an artist or involved in the story/character department has no idea what the hell they are doing.
As a matter of fact, the only reason most of your recent games even half work is because they've been based off things where 60% or so of the work was already done for you by someone not incompetent, IE: Bethesda or EPIC.
Stick to stories and characters and plots Obsidian. Let other people do all the actual gameplay work for you; trust me, it'll turn out better.
And I suppose you know all the internal workings to Obsidian then? Calling for the execution of someone because of a buggy game is ridiculous.Paragon Fury said:
This. His promise of bug free games is impossible. There must be millions of lines of code, there's no way to squish everything. I'd accept *stable* over bug free.I.E.D. said:
Massive disbelieve
Obsidian since its inception hasn't produced a finished product. The closest thing would be if you just played Peragas and Nar Shadda in Kotor 2 and quit there.
Also PC releases of console ports suck. What would really get me interested is if he said "The PC version will have a totally different interface than the console versions."
Obsidian since its inception hasn't produced a finished product. The closest thing would be if you just played Peragas and Nar Shadda in Kotor 2 and quit there.
Also PC releases of console ports suck. What would really get me interested is if he said "The PC version will have a totally different interface than the console versions."