Ocean's Eleven female spin-off

[dreng3]

Yeah, I have to admit, of all the recent reboots and spin-offs, this does seem the least offensive and most likely to be alright.

At least, until they do Batman vs Predator.

No friggin way, I'd love a movie about the Bat hunting down predator through the gritty streets of Gotham, preferably without all his special equipment. It'd be a suspenseful action movie and I'd watch it.

Sure, whatever. The original series ran its course. It's not like it's a super iconic IP or anything. The whole premise of the original was a heist movie with a gimmick, so it makes sense that they'd try to reboot it with another gimmick.

The first one was pretty well received and is a classical heist movie, but the second and third did suck rather badly.

 

[Schadrach]

What reason is there that it couldn't work?

The casting mix is a bit odd (by which I mean all the names are well known and decent actresses, but I don't have the foggiest what kind of chemistry they'll have) and it basically drips of "LOOK HOW PROGRESSIVE I AM!" (which most often seems to be used as cover for bad writing or bad design, depending on which media we're talking about).

I'm going to refuse to have an opinion of this one until I see a trailer. I have a soft spot for heist movies, so the bar's pretty low. I also have a soft spot for stage magic, so my opinion of the Now You See Me movies has such a rose tint you'd think I was in Steven's bubble.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

I say we just get it over with. We all know where she's heading, so just have Melissa McCarthy play all the roles at the same time. 12 versions of her, in increasing garish costumes, black face, yellow face, British, Hispanic. Just go all out, 'cause we all know that's where her trainwreck of a career is heading.

 

[omega 616]

What are they going to call it "Sarah's Seven Sisters" (didn't want the initials to be SS). I do like the "RAH RAH we're not sexist, all females!" but 1) no males still makes it sexist. 2) they still have the token black person!

Speaking of the of the odd woman out, did the casting person watch "battleship" and think "***** can sing AND act! We need her!" 'cos I don't think she can do either!

I'm not really upset, it's not like the Oceans films are great, they are an ok way to kill a bit of time but storm in a tea cup and I do like that women are getting more lime light, would a male in these films hurt though? Even just as a secondary character.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Good cast, but the Oceans films to date have all been vacuous time sinks with little in the way of dramatic heft or comedic vigor, so I'll keep my expectations low.

 

[Ihateregistering1]

So how is it even going to be a spin off? Is Anne Hathaway Danny Ocean's daughter or something?

Also, apparently one of the cast members is some rapper named "Awkwafina", which may be the most hilarious rap name I've ever heard.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

I'm not really upset, it's not like the Oceans films are great, they are an ok way to kill a bit of time but storm in a tea cup and I do like that women are getting more lime light, would a male in these films hurt though? Even just as a secondary character.

I don't imagine those eight women are the entirety of the cast, just the main characters.

Yeah, probably. Clooney's 11 had, well, eleven dudes as the main group, then Julia Roberts as the love interest and Andy Garcia as the bad guy. So, 12 dudes out of 13.

I'm sure men will have equivalent representation in this new one. Although, mathematically, that would involve having a fraction of one dude. Shia Lebeouf or Michael Cera?

 

[DeimosMasque]

Sure, whatever. The original series ran its course. It's not like it's a super iconic IP or anything. The whole premise of the original was a heist movie with a gimmick, so it makes sense that they'd try to reboot it with another gimick.

Also what most people think of as "the original" aka the Cloney/Pitt one, is actually a remake to begin with. The original Ocean's Eleven is a Rat Pack vanity project.

 

[dreng3]

Also what most people think of as "the original" aka the Cloney/Pitt one, is actually a remake to begin with. The original Ocean's Eleven is a Rat Pack vanity project.

The Sinatra one was okay, but I'd say that the 2001 version is quite a lot better. But then again, Cloney is movie magic.

So how is it even going to be a spin off? Is Anne Hathaway Danny Ocean's daughter or something?

This captures my main concern quite well, the movie needs an Ocean to make it viable, you can't have Ocean's Eight without someone called Ocean. Quite odd that there isn't more out there since it has been in development since 2015.

I also heard something about Jennifer Lawrence being involved in the movie somehow.

 

[EvilRoy]

What reason is there that it couldn't work?

Well its the fourth movie in a series with steadily declining box office numbers, and lacks Clooney, Pitt, and Damon rubbing their "our movies always do good" juice on it.

 

[Saetha]

As I've said before of Ghostbusters 2016, if the first and best part of your pitch is 'the same thing as this other thing but with different genital configurations', you /don't have a pitch/.

Nothing says this can't be a good film, any more than Ghostbusters /could/ have been, but if the sex of the cast is their brightest talking point it doesn't speak well of their content or plans. Not because women are bad content, but because we actually do live in a world where 'it stars women!' is as vapid a statement as 'it stars men!' It says they have nothing substantive to say about their /own damn work/.

If it stars humans, no shit the cast is going to feature one or both of those things.

Women have had leading roles for a long time now, including ensembles like Ghostbusters or Oceans [n]. It's not actually a novelty element, and it shouldn't be treated as one.

Genital configuration is only content if you're shooting porn.

Well, I think it largely depends on who's starting the "Look, all-female!" conversation.

Like, if the studio just put out a press release saying "Hey, we're remaking this film, and it's going to have all these people in it," only for a journalist to look at said cast-list and go "My god, they've all got tits! GUYS! ALL-FEMALE REBOOT!" then it's not really the studio's fault. They're just making a movie, and the press turned it into another asinine rallying cry about how everything's ten times better if it's chicks instead of dudes.

Which, really, is my biggest issue with this all... I don't know what to call it, progressive media thing. Even when they're praising a work, they get so caught up in bleating about politics that they don't discuss any actual quality. The actual substance of the work is erased, and the only thing people care or talk about is how it's got women - like, I don't think I've heard a single criticism OR praise of Ghostbusters that did not somehow relate back to the gender of the stars.

But regardless, the studio and movie shouldn't suffer just because the people talking about it are insufferable.

 

[KissingSunlight]

Since no one else asked, I will. Why eight? Is it because the traditional shape of a woman is the figure 8?

The main appeal of the Ocean's movies are the chemistry of the actors who are friends with each other in real life. Right off the bat, this new cast missed the point of the IP that they are going to remake. I am not going to claim that it can't be a good movie. The rationale for the casting is the same one that had for Ghostbusters. It's a pointless gimmick to get people talking about it both positively and negatively.

 

[Chanticoblues]

The main appeal of the Ocean's movies are the chemistry of the actors who are friends with each other in real life.

Really? I mean maybe the Rat Pack one. I remember the casting process being a big mess for the first Oceans movie.

 

[dreng3]

Since no one else asked, I will. Why eight? Is it because the traditional shape of a woman is the figure 8?

Why eleven for the first movie? Is it because 1 is a phallic shape and every guy has two penises? I really don't think too much thought should be put into the number, perhaps the studio could only find 6 actors, one singer, and a rapper, willing to play in the movie, or perhaps the budget didn't allow for more than 8 members in the crew, or perhap the idea of vertical infinity simply amused the writer, in the end we might never know.

 

[KissingSunlight]

The main appeal of the Ocean's movies are the chemistry of the actors who are friends with each other in real life.

Really? I mean maybe the Rat Pack one. I remember the casting process being a big mess for the first Oceans movie.

I know that George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Matt Damon, and Julia Roberts have worked with each other before. I believe they are friends off camera. I don't remember specifically about any casting problems other than scheduling.

 

[KissingSunlight]

Since no one else asked, I will. Why eight? Is it because the traditional shape of a woman is the figure 8?

Why eleven for the first movie? Is it because 1 is a phallic shape and every guy has two penises? I really don't think too much thought should be put into the number, perhaps the studio could only find 6 actors, one singer, and a rapper, willing to play in the movie, or perhaps the budget didn't allow for more than 8 members in the crew, or perhap the idea of vertical infinity simply amused the writer, in the end we might never know.

I was being snarky. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they impose an actress over the number 8 in the movie trailer.

 

[dreng3]

I was being snarky. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they impose an actress over the number 8 in the movie trailer.

Firstly, imposing a woman over the number 8 sounds very Bond
Secondly, I'm usually the last to admit fault and the first to be snarky, but I think I should apologize for my counter-snark.

 

[Saltyk]

They're actually making this? Yay..?

I remember enjoying the original and don't remember if I even saw the second one. Was there a third? Why make this movie at all? Even with the original cast returning. This seems like a bad idea. What is the point?

Trick question. I know the point. To use name recognition to get people interested in the film. Making it an all female cast means they score points for being "unique".

Yeah, I'm not looking forward to this. Not that I would be looking forward to a new movie with Clooney and the cast, either. I'll wait for a trailer to cast judgement, but I don't have high expectations. Probably won't see it, even if the trailer looks amazing. I've already seen Ocean's Eleven. Genderswapping adds nothing of value.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

Seems like a bad idea. I mean, even the original wasn't that good. As much as people tout 'chemistry' of the actors in the remake, it just feels like it's awkward more than anything. Anybody that tells me anybody but Clooney and Pitt had chemistry, show me. Hell, if it had just been those two performing a heist, it would have been better.

Not only that, but Danny Ocean is the biggest pile of shit out there. I remember the opening scene of the second movie due to channel surfing ... I don't mind Clooney. I don't think he's a bad actor. I think he was great in numerous other movies. So I thought I'd give the second movie a chance. And the very first thing his character really does just makes me want to go; "Yeah, it was better when he at least tries to be likeable or quirky. Not purposefully a piece of shit."

His wife rings up, she's about to be molested by her ex and some hired goons. And he fucking runs. So the only context I can get from this is she's meant to ring him up SO THAT HE CAN RUN AWAY. I mean, what else can you take from that scene? Basically; "Hi ... don't try to escape when you see him. Don't try to hide. Stand in the fucking living room, spend precious minutes ringing me up. Just so that I can escape while you essentially distract the goons and act as my diplomashield..." What a fucking douchebag. And it makes no sense whatsoever.

What is the point of that cute, little covert message?

Why would you say such a thing?

Couldn't you use a mobile to send a text after you vault over the backyard fence?

So I don't understand why you want to capitalise on the namesake of these movies ... the characters are just awful human beings. Broken, psychopathic, stupid (yes, half of them seem fucking stupid) ... the movie portrays them as if these clever souls and for the life of me, I can't see how any outsider could say; "Oh yeah, definitely professionals..."

Why not just make a new movie involving a heist? It's not like heist movies are so saturated that you couldn't market yourself as something in the same vein as Ocean's without having to tie yourself to that pile of shit franchise.

 

[Mr.Mattress]

Now, I don't know if this film is going to be any good; I don't watch any of the Ocean Films. However, as long as the Director isn't a petulant man-child that responds to any and all criticisms with "You sexist pigs suck! If you don't watch this movie then you're woman hating scum!", this will be leagues above the Ghostbusters reboot.

Also, apparently one of the cast members is some rapper named "Awkwafina", which may be the most hilarious rap name I've ever heard.

That is both hilarious and fitting for this movie! Maybe if the reviews are good, then I'd watch it just to see who this Awkwafina rapper is.