maddawg IAJI said:
Also, you weren't given a notification because he edited the post in.
Pretty much this. Same goes for the bit above it. You'd be surprise some of the names I get called. My apologies for responding that way, it's been a long series of weeks.
Swollen Goat said:
It's a forum for you guys to tell us we're wrong for feeling the way we do. This place just seems like it's more concerned with BEING right rather than DOING right to me more and more as time goes on. Come to think if it, I'll bet you'll notice the discontent increases as you get to the older users-the ones who have had time to see that, yes, there are gaps in the system.
My biggest concern whenever dealing with something like this is that there's often very little culpability involved with either party. To state that
just the users are at fault would be as fallacious as stating that
just the mod team is at fault. Both parties have to have a certain amount of responsibility involved, and I feel like neither side is being fair to that. We're both at fault here, and if we both don't walk in accepting that, then we're both going to just keep spinning our wheels.
In all honesty, I feel like this thread was designed to promote the sort of civil-minded coexistence that has been a staple of nearly every emergent society. Words like "dictator" have been aliked to "tyrant" in connotation. By general standards, this place will get no better if we don't listen to what everyone tells us. Otherwise, we become the tyrannical dictators that characterize a gross misuse of power.
However, what I see when I look at threads like these are polarized opinions and limited support options. Either the site is being run to the pinnacle of perfection or is the cancer that is slowly burning itself away. Regardless of where either opinion lies, it becomes nigh-impossible to divine any sort of working solution to "ur doin it rong" or "ur doin it rite." I continually encourage users to promote suggestions, but the suggestions which have come are as vague and unclear as our rules have been alleged to being. Hearing "Make the rules more clear" is too unclear to be operable.
As I stated earlier in this thread, in my experience, the more precise a single rule tries to be, the less likely the rule is to be clear. Even then, every single court case in the United States history is a living proof to the fact that no matter how clearly black and white a rule is phrased, there will always be a gray area. It's inevitable. We've tried to make the specific
purpose of a rule clear. Is it perfect? No. Is it better than what we had before? I think it is.
Mods take this personally, myself and others as well, is because our passion is the only thing bringing us back here day after day. I can think of a handful of users who are reported for every single post they do. I clear countless posts from the Queue that have
nothing wrong with them. It wouldn't surprise me if you or I haven't been on the business end of a report because someone has issue with what we have done or said in our time here at the Escapist. We take things we invest a lot of time in quite personally.
The reason you're on this thread bringing all this up is because you feel very strongly for the site. To point, you get irritated by how this site ends up sometimes, you said so yourself.
However, the problem with hunting consistency in rule layouts is there's never a good solution for everyone. I can't count on both hands the number of users, old and new, that have asked for new, cleaner Guidelines.
Zeeky_Santos said:
The way I see it, you never needed to change the rules in the first place.
Yet posts prove, time and time again, that there will always be a want for something, somewhere. My first concern with making the moderation or rules more consistent would be making fundamental alterations to how these forums are run.
Posts never seem to say that they want these forums to grow to be something new and exciting. Everyone says they want things to go back to the way they were in the golden days. We all want this forum to be a more personally fulfilling experience. We all take it personally. If we didn't, the mods have less to moderate, and the users less to argue about.
