Oh good god

[Ryuk2]

The worst thing is that humans seem to accept it. After 30 years our kids will be doing it too and the only sane 60 year old people will be complaining. I will be saying that back at my days, at my country having sex with animals was illegal and disgusting. Then i will kill myself, because i can't live in a world where something like this is accepted.

 

[GameGoddess101]

OK, so people go to jail (or at least get fined) for trying to marry their German Shepherd, but some guy publishes a book about his crazed love affair with a Dolphin and he gets some pretty insane publicity... well all right then... I just lost whatever shred of faith in humanity I had left.

 

[IrrelevantTangent]

What the f**k? Why is anyone on the council even considering letting you humans live. I just don't understand...

Are you referring to the Citadel Council [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MassEffect]?

 

[Daffy F]

some people in the world really do need help.

yes. If by 'Help' you mean locking them up and throwing away the key.

 

[SnipErlite]

If the animal isn't struggling to get away, I don't really see why it's a problem.
Whatever gets you off...

NO

NO


NO

Yes?

The worst thing is that humans seem to accept it. After 30 years our kids will be doing it too and the only sane 60 year old people will be complaining. I will be saying that back at my days, at my country having sex with animals was illegal and disgusting. Then i will kill myself, because i can't live in a world where something like this is accepted.

Hey isn't that prejudiced?

I mean I personally think it's hella weird and would never go there


But it's his life

 

[MiracleOfSound]

That was pretty funny.

The dolphin certainly looks pretty chuffed with herself.

Wohoo! You have 6666 posts!
Eh...just wanted to point that out.
And again - this is fucking wrong!

6666... I'm like a dyslexic satanist.

 

[Chairehead]

i looked into it, and it turns out that there isn't a whole lot that nobody in the human race won't be sexually attracted to, if not actually engage in sexual acts with it.

 

[Baby Tea]

The guy has problems.

Why?
Because he actually means it when he tells her he loves her for her personality?

Yeah, actually.
It's a dolphin. He doesn't know her personality. He can't communicate with her telepathically. The dolphin does not understand his 'affections', and he can't understand her at all (Except if she opens her mouth because she wants fish).

If he truly means it when he tells this dolphin that he loves it in a romantic and sexual way, then absolutely he's got problems.

 

[Chairehead]

Take a dog.
You call for the dog, the dog comes.
You tell the dog to sit, it sits.
You get another dog, the old dog gets jealous.
You get mad at the dog, it leaves you alone.

And are you to tell me a dog is more intelligent than a dog?

what, i didnt understand that

 

[Heathrow]

Interspecies mating doesn't work biologically, and just screams severe psychological issues.

And gay sex doesn't work biologically yet we now accept that a percentage of humans are born with a homosexual orientation. You could be right of course it could be zoophiles are all kinds of fucked up in the head, or they could just be born this way.

 

[Tiny116]

some people in the world really do need help.

yes. If by 'Help' you mean locking them up and throwing away the key.

...
However did you guess?

 

[Baby Tea]

Take a dog.
You call for the dog, the dog comes.
You tell the dog to sit, it sits.
You get another dog, the old dog gets jealous.
You get mad at the dog, it leaves you alone.

And are you to tell me a dolphin is more intelligent than a dog?

The dog comes and sits because it got rewarded/punished when learning how to do that.
That's called training, not love.

The dog gets mad because he views the human as part of his territory.
Instinct, not love.

The dog leaves you alone when you get mad at it because the owner is the 'alpha male', and it has a pack mentality.
Again: Instinct, not love.

The dolphin might be more intelligent, but to say that the dolphin is romantically involved with this nut-job is laughable, at best.
Again: The guy has problems.

And gay sex doesn't work biologically yet we now accept that a percentage of humans are born with a homosexual orientation. You could be right of course it could be zoophiles are all kinds of fucked up in the head, or they could just be born this way.

I'm the type who leans toward nurture over nature, save for a birth defect or chemical anomaly.
The guy isn't born loving animals in a sexual way.

 

[Daffy F]

some people in the world really do need help.

yes. If by 'Help' you mean locking them up and throwing away the key.

...
However did you guess?

Is that, Sarcasm?

 

[Baby Tea]

If we accept this man has problems, isn't it perfectly reasonable a dolphin can too?

Not in the same way this guy does. The psychology of a human is vastly different then that of a dolphin, or any animal for that matter. We cannot communicate with dolphins in any way that can tell us more then 'it learned how to jump for a fish' or 'it recognizes that guy', to we certainly cannot diagnose, with any degree of accuracy, any type of psychological problems this dolphin may or may not have (Save for it suddenly killing everything around it or something).

The dog analogy is also a dead one, because the dog doesn't understand the word 'sit' as we do. To them, it's just a command. A sound they follow because they were trained that way. They con't understand it beyond that. So to assume that this dolphin harbors anything resembling 'love' for this man, without either of them having a way to communicate with each other beyond sea-world tricks, is indeed laughable.

You're not selling me in this, I can tell you that.
The guy needs help.

 

[Daffy F]

He REALLY does. This is true.

 

[Baby Tea]

When someone asks you to sit, you know what they want. They want you to sit down.
You may not obey them, but to a dog it might mean a reward, so they comply.
And might I point in you in the directions of the Alex the parrot? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_(parrot)]

So a dog learns tricks, and a parrot learns tricks, and I'm to expect that this dolphin now understands the extremely deep concept of love that this troubled man feels for it? No. The parrot is memorizing it, because it got rewarded.
You can train seeing eye dogs to turn on lights, and you can train dolphins to do back-flips, but that doesn't mean that a complex, romantic, and sexual love is possible. That is a huge leap, especially when communication with animals is as bare-bones as it is. Learning something as a trick because you get rewarded/punished for doing it isn't the same as fully understanding it. You do it because the guy might give you a treat. Oh hey! I remember that! I got a treat for doing that! And then it just becomes second nature, because the thing is trained.

 

[Heathrow]

I'm the type who leans toward nurture over nature, save for a birth defect or chemical anomaly.
The guy isn't born loving animals in a sexual way.

Whether an aspect of a person is influenced by nature or nurture is not a great mystery. When there are no common environmental effects it can be safely assumed that the cause of any given trait has a genetic origin of some sort. The general consensus these days though is that most behaviors are affected both by genetics and environment: A simplistic example might being a man genetically predisposed to addiction who, when put in an alcohol heavy environment, becomes an alcoholic but who, if raised by gamblers, would become a slots addict instead.

Without study it would be impossible to say whether zoophile behavior is the entirely psychological result of environment or the freak result of genetics however the smart money would be on a little from column A a little from column B.

I would warn against judging this behavior prematurely and harshly, whether nature or nurture the traits imprinted on zoophiles are probably something well beyond their control and they deserve our care and understanding more than our contempt and revulsion.

Now you're implying a level of intelligence is required to feel love, & thus no animal can be in love?

Love is chemicals at its most basic level so animals can experience that yes, but a major part of love is the culture and ideas that we humans have built around it; so animals can not experience love in the same way that people experience it.

 

[Baby Tea]

snip

Now you're implying a level of intelligence is required to feel love, & thus no animal can be in love?

Not in the way we understand love, no.
I would say no animal can love a person the way I love my wife, or the way my wife loves me.

I would warn against judging this behavior prematurely and harshly, whether nature or nurture the traits imprinted on zoophiles are probably something well beyond their control and they better deserve our care and understanding than our contempt and revulsion.

I'm certainly not saying the man should be burned at the stake or something.
I really see this guy as have some serious problems, and needs, as you suggest, professional care and understanding. While I do find the actual act of beasitality revolting, pouring contempt on the man will accomplish nothing. At the risk of sounding redundant: The guy needs help.

 

[Baby Tea]

Not in the way we understand love, no.
I would say no animal can love a person the way I love my wife, or the way my wife loves me.

Then I may as well be trying to tell you the sun is black.
Thanks for not being a dick & applying wrath to me for disagreeing with you, you're better than most online hosts out there...

Ahh no problem.
Being a dick doesn't make the argument, or discussion, any better (Quite the contrary, usually).
I'm also glad this stayed civil. See everyone else? This is how you have an online discussion.
Disagreeing, yet civil.

 

[Heathrow]

I'm certainly not saying the man should be burned at the stake or something.
I really see this guy as have some serious problems, and needs, as you suggest, professional care and understanding. While I do find the actual act of beasitality revolting, pouring contempt on the man will accomplish nothing. At the risk of sounding redundant: The guy needs help.

We institutionalize and treat psychotics because their abnormal behavior is detrimental to society (generally), we do not treat homosexuals because their abnormal behavior is benign. Is there some reason bestiality is a danger to anyone? I ask because I have yet to find a reason it is.

Edit: as much as I wish making me squeemish counted...