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ElephantGuts

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Baby Tea said:
ElephantGuts said:
Why are you people so close-minded?
Really?
Honestly, that's the route you're going to take?

People can label me 'bigot' all they want, beastiality is wrong.
Interspecies mating doesn't work biologically, and just screams severe psychological issues.
A dog humping your leg, as I saw used as an example here, is just a confused, horny dog. The dog isn't in love with you, it's just in heat and would hump virtually anything.

The guy has problems.
If I didn't know and like you better I would indeed go ahead and call you a close-minded bigot. That's not to say I don't completely respect your personal belief that bestiality is wrong and something you don't want to participate in, but to blatantly declare something simply "wrong" and suggest that anyone interested in it must psychologically disturbed is far beyond that and something I find offensive. I could, and have, gotten into very intense, thorough debates as to why I believe there's nothing inherently wrong with bestiality and it should be accepted, but as I'm sure you understand I'd rather not get into that now and you probably don't want to hear it.

To have your own moral codes against bestiality or to consider it disgusting is fine with me, but to condemn others for it is something I believe to be very wrong.
 

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Heathrow said:
[We institutionalize and treat psychotics because their abnormal behavior is detrimental to society (generally), we do not treat homosexuals because their abnormal behavior is benign. Is there some reason bestiality is a danger to anyone? I ask because I have yet to find a reason it is.

Edit: as much as I wish making me squee counted...
Well I'm not sure I would go so far as to institutionalize them, but my biggest concern, regarding this issue, is this:

I see it as biologically wrong. Interspecies romance, that is any animal with a human being romantically in love together, is impossible, which means it all boils down to sexual urges. Which is pointless, since the two cannot procreate, and that therefore further boils it down to sexual gratification.

Now were we to allow that with a cavalier, 'they aren't hurting anyone' attitude, then we've reached the proverbial slippery slope of ethics and morality. Where does it end? Beastiality now, incest then later? How about consenting children?

I'll not hide the fact that I'm a Christian, so my reservations about 'zoophiles' stems from more then mere biological incompatibility, and my concerns about that moral slippery slope come from there as well. But I think that a society, or humanity, with less and less control and self-discipline over itself is a serious danger to itself.
 

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Baby Tea said:
Well I'm not sure I would go so far as to institutionalize them, but my biggest concern, regarding this issue, is this:

I see it as biologically wrong. Interspecies romance, that is any animal with a human being romantically in love together, is impossible, which means it all boils down to sexual urges. Which is pointless, since the two cannot procreate, and that therefore further boils it down to sexual gratification.

Now were we to allow that with a cavalier, 'they aren't hurting anyone' attitude, then we've reached the proverbial slippery slope of ethics and morality. Where does it end? Beastiality now, incest then later? How about consenting children?

I'll not hide the fact that I'm a Christian, so my reservations about 'zoophiles' stems from more then mere biological incompatibility, and my concerns about that moral slippery slope come from there as well. But I think that a society, or humanity, with less and less control and self-discipline over itself is a serious danger to itself.
As previously stated homosexuality is also 'biologically wrong' and yet it's accepted.

Boiling frog slippery slope arguments are always logical fallacies: accepting an abnormal behavior does not mean the next abnormal behavior will also be acceptable; just because there's no harm in bestiality doesn't mean there's no harm in your other examples. There are good reasons incest and childhood consent aren't allowed. Incestuous relationships have increased likelihood of producing genetic defects and disease, likewise consent of children will never be viable since they are not experienced enough to make most of their own decisions (at what age they are experienced enough and therefore at what age the age of consent should be set at is a matter for a different debate)

Not being able to predict the future I don't know what strange perversions we'll end up accepting as normal next but if we judge each of them on a case by case basis instead of worrying about what the future might bring we can rest assured that we will end up with a fair morality in the end.