Oh I'm sorry I thought this was America.

BoogieManFL

New member
Apr 14, 2008
1,284
0
0
I guess axing their animation people wasn't enough, now Disney - the "wholesome" "American" "family oriented" company is outsourcing large numbers of their American Information Technology (IT) staff. People with years and even decades of loyalty to the company are getting kicked to the curb as unceremoniously as someone brushing lint off their shoulder.

But hey, they can save some money by outsourcing to, well, you can probably guess. Meanwhile, many of the foreign replacements have been fired for being unable to perform their jobs because of lack experience to replace employees with 5 and 10+ years of experience. Some for being unable to effectively communicate with business partners and domestic employees. Others for just being purely incapable of doing the work in a timely fashion.

Better yet, one of the big wigs in charge of outsourcing jobs is himself from the outsourcing country, no conflict of interest there!

Sure, it's good for these other people who are getting jobs. Many of them are probably perfectly nice people. They are getting paid even less than people who were already underpaid.. But I guess with currency conversion rates it's a good deal for them..

But what makes me angry is these people aren't being replaced or let go because they are bad workers. It's simply because they can pay other people less to do it. Not a new thing, I know. But it just sickens and infuriates me that they so eagerly boot people with families, years of experience, and even relocating across the country to work with almost no notice at all. While they spend their final days working, they are babysitting and training the people who took their jobs. People who aren't ready to handle it on their own. People who do 1/4 the workload of the existing employees who themselves have been grossly overworked (just like that deal with Electronic Arts) and underpaid for years.

Maybe it's a blessing in disguise. Disney is a horrible company to work for. Hard long work for inadequate pay and managers who don't care about you and schedule you at weird non-standard work hours to cheat you out of overtime, sometimes by minutes.

But hey they can save even more money by replacing the underpaid employees. You know that 50 billion a year is hard to live on. I would be wary if I was a shareholder. Sure they are going to save money by selling out their fellow countrymen, but quality and productivity is taking a rather hard nose dive.

Most of you probably don't care but it felt good to vent. It hit home this time.. So you can imagine how I feel.


It a terrible thing that The American Dream is starting to no longer be available to, you know, Americans. Hard work and dedication to your craft doesn't mean a fucking thing.
 

Parasondox

New member
Jun 15, 2013
3,229
0
0
I think the video you are looking for is this,


But in all honesty, that's fucked up and sad when big companies do that. But hey, the business "experts" that news channels hire, will just say how this is a good move for the company and talk about how capitalism is best and socialism/communism is BAD BAD BAD!! Its not about the little guys anymore who does the hard work, its about the CEOs and shareholders getting their bonuses because, "They made this company". Worse is when big companies start using zero hour contracts for lower end staff all to save money and make a huge profit. Didnt the Onion do a bit about how the American dream was dead and the last guy that believed in it just gave up? That's meant to be comedy, not reality.

YAY FOR CAPITALISM!!
 

Ratty

New member
Jan 21, 2014
848
0
0
You can thank Republican St. Reagan for helping deregulate and encourage this kind of job loss by allowing companies to move all their manufacturing to overseas sweat shops. It's just been a gradual build up of more and more advanced jobs constantly moving there. First it was the factory workers, then it was tech support, now it's more creatively advanced areas. Meanwhile the US produces nothing while average people earn MUCH less than they did 40 years ago due to wages not raising with inflation.
 

Neverhoodian

New member
Apr 2, 2008
3,832
0
0
Yeah, I have a love-hate relationship with Disney. They make good entertainment, but damned if their business practices aren't downright reprehensible at times.

Also, I'd say the "American Dream" has been dead for a while now. We've become a service-centered nation instead of a manufacturing one. Most of the factory jobs that actually had decent wages and benefits/401(k) have been outsourced, and the few that remain are slowly but surely eliminating such perks. It's gotten to the point where having a "stay-at-home parent" is damn near impossible. Nope, the reality for Americans nowadays is a family where both parents work full-time while living in an apartment (because houses are too expensive) just to make ends meet. That's the reality where I live, anyway.
 

NRVNQSR86

New member
Mar 29, 2011
26
0
0
No offense, but this happens all over the globe. Several high-tech firms here in the Netherlands, including a few iconic ones which had received generous sums of assistance for R&D from the government, were bought out by *American* companies and then moved to the US.
Just as several companies love to dodge the minimum wages here in the Netherlands by using legal loopholes due to differing laws in the EU re wages, social welfare etc to employ Polish etc employees way beyond the standard and official minimum wages.

In the meanwhile the Netherlands is also infamous for the 'tax funroute', where big companies and artists etc pay relative few tax due to agreements with the tax collector here in the Netherlands while dodging the tax in their state of origin (US, Italy, etc).

Greedy assholes remain greedy assholes. Sometimes they will come running back when they realize their 'cheaper alternative' will actually cost more then the original situation, but most don't care since they aren't affected themselves by the negative effects and let others take the fall/consequences for that.
 

Fox12

AccursedT- see you space cowboy
Jun 6, 2013
4,828
0
0
The American dream?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkCscoOquk8

Yeah, I couldn't care less about Disney. They haven't made a good film in over fifteen years. The best they can do is buyout Marvel, Pixar, and Lucas Arts, then suck them dry. I couldn't care less about the company at this point, but it's okay, because they couldn't care less about us either.
 

Vault101

I'm in your mind fuzz
Sep 26, 2010
18,863
15
43
do you have a specific source for this?

but yeah this is certainly nothing new....for the simple fact that people in other countries can work for less (and as we know that's sometimes borderline exploitative)

maybe if or when they get "brought up" to a western standard of living things might change...but then technology is probably going to shake things up A LOT

like for example 3D printing might make china less of a manufacturing powerhouse

and then if you want to go even further our currant economic model becomes unsustainable when you automate 90% of jobs, we may have to rethink everything

but then predicting the future is more often than not inaccurate

EDIT: to be more specific I think technology will become the "new" outsourcing

EDIT2: unrelated but I think its funny the OP has an Australian white cockatoo as their avatar
 

llamastorm.games

New member
Apr 10, 2008
292
0
0
I agree that it's a bit shitty I just don't like the implication that these things, which happen in every country in the modern world, are worse when they happen to Americans...

But it's economics and sort of how the world works, absolute and comparative advantage and all that. If something is cheaper to produce somewhere else you should probably produce it there, because hopefully SOMETHING is cheapest to produce where you are.
 

Fieldy409_v1legacy

New member
Oct 9, 2008
2,686
0
0
Should you Blame the business for wanting to save money or blame the government for allowing there to be a situation where even IT jobs are cheaper in India? If your company doesn't take advantage your competitors will, there may not be as much choice in this as you think for them.

I know I'm in the building industry in Australia so I'm reasonably safe unless they come up with some way to build houses in china and send them here maybe but it seems like everyday they are coming up with some new way in the name of our safety or whatever to make producing things more expensive, great for me to be safer but there's always the thought that in another part of the world people can produce these things without that expense our government has added, if you know what I mean.
 

Drake Barrow

New member
Jan 10, 2010
107
0
0
What you're talking about has been going on for longer than any of us have been alive, though not too much longer. The outsourcing and downsizing is just rolling further up the chain of employment.

Remember the bright, shiny World of Tomorrow we were all promised once upon a time? Well, we're getting the shiny toys that the future promised us, but we're keeping the expectations of labor and commerce that went with our old economy. Oh, and we've gutted most of the protections and side benefits that went with it (e.g., unions, pensions, and most fringe benefits). We may be able to run society on a massive underclass supporting a tiny class of oligarchs, but it's not going to be a country anyone with common sense will want to live in.
 

Shamanic Rhythm

New member
Dec 6, 2009
1,653
0
0
Fieldy409 said:
Should you Blame the business for wanting to save money or blame the government for allowing there to be a situation where even IT jobs are cheaper in India? If your company doesn't take advantage your competitors will, there may not be as much choice in this as you think for them.
Yeah, but the problem is if everyone does that it, it creates a recession because all those people in the local economy become unemployed and no longer have money for discretionary spending, which leads eventually to your business having fewer customers. Then everything just goes into a tailspin.

I'm not saying this justifies high wages, but that offshoring is usually a short-term profit margin chasing decision that has long-term consequences beyond the grasp of the average board member.

I know I'm in the building industry in Australia so I'm reasonably safe unless they come up with some way to build houses in china and send them here maybe but it seems like everyday they are coming up with some new way in the name of our safety or whatever to make producing things more expensive, great for me to be safer but there's always the thought that in another part of the world people can produce these things without that expense our government has added, if you know what I mean.
Prefab could be disruptive for your industry. I hope not though, I don't want to see more jobs going offshore.
 

Thaluikhain

Elite Member
Legacy
Jan 16, 2010
19,449
4,077
118
Shamanic Rhythm said:
I'm not saying this justifies high wages, but that offshoring is usually a short-term profit margin chasing decision that has long-term consequences beyond the grasp of the average board member.
The cumulative effect of lots of offshoring does, mind, not so much any given example. Mostly everyone can truthfully tell themselves that their own contribution is insignificant in the grand scheme of things, so they may as well. If most, or a large proportion of then do this, there's a problem.
 

FieryTrainwreck

New member
Apr 16, 2010
1,968
0
0
I think technology is hurting us and helping us in almost equal measure.

On the one hand, technology allows much fewer people to do the same amount of work, obsoleting many jobs and even whole industries. Technology also allows Disney and other corporations to send their jobs overseas and exploit those growing labor markets.

On the other hand, technology gives us insane food yields, advances in medicine and infrastructure, and all the world's knowledge and electronic entertainment at our fingertips.

As long as technology keeps improving our overall quality of life without leaving too many people too far behind, technology will also be free to shift the majority of all our net gains to the top 1%.
 

Tygerml

New member
Nov 16, 2008
46
0
0
My last job was providing tech support for an American company. I worked there for 3 years until we found out that the call center's calls were going to be routed to a new call center staffed by poorly trained CSAs who could barely reset a modem, all for a wage that was far less an hour than they were paying us.

You know who the company was? Comcast.

You know where the new call center was? Charlotte, NC.

Where am I from? North of the border.

That's right, Comcast was outsourcing it's support back into the US because it was cheaper than having trained foreigners answering calls.

Next time you say all the sweatshops are overseas, consider that one..
 

Ratty

New member
Jan 21, 2014
848
0
0
Vault101 said:
do you have a specific source for this?

but yeah this is certainly nothing new....for the simple fact that people in other countries can work for less (and as we know that's sometimes borderline exploitative)
No borderline about it really, it is exploitative. When wages start to rise in one area companies will often just move to another "undeveloped" area to start all over again where they can pay pennies a day for dangerous, life-shortening and back breaking labor.
 
Dec 10, 2012
867
0
0
This is a surprise? We've known for a long time that Disney is just as evil a corporation as, say, Walmart or Electronic Arts. Just because they release better quality products than EA doesn't mean that they aren't just as inhumane and ruthless in the pursuit of cash.

The actually sad part is that this is par for the course in Corporate America. Has been for many years.
 

Guy_of_wonder

New member
Aug 28, 2014
50
0
0
Corporations in America do not give a single shit about people they pay. Its all about that bottom dollar. CEOs and stock holders padding their wallet to stay in the black. This is what future Americans have to look forward to; minimal pay, maximum hours, and no benefits. (i know not all corporations are like that, just alot of them.)

I have already accepted that all the money that i am forced to put into social security is already gone and i will never see it again.

America. Fuck Yeah.