Oh sweet baby Jesus no, burn AI to the ground, humanity can't be trusted with it

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Although I can't help but point out that there will very obviously be a lot of AIs that won't bother paying for anything at all, ever: they'll just scrape anything and everything. I severely doubt that there will ever be a way to hold them accountable - even if there are notionally laws, I doubt enforcement will be effective.

One can consider for instance many clothing companies that just rip-off high fashion and produce illegally similar items at low cost. Sure, occasionally, they might be sued. But they're sued on a fraction of the goods, and for sufficiently little, that it's no deterrent. That's exactly how AI would function: you can sue, but it'll barely be worth it. At best I suppose it would be some justice if at least something could be claimed off them for stealing people's work.

But I think potentially far more tempting is to simply say AI output cannot be copyrighted. The argument for copyright is that inventors should have the gains of their intellectual output to make creation worthwhile. But if there is no human inventor, this logic simply does not hold anymore and there is no pressing need for copyright to exist. Not that that stops AI content annihilating the ability of human producers to earn just by swamping them.

But I would argue denying AI generated content any form of intellectual property rights (not just copyrights but patents as well) could be a huge boon for humankind, because to some extent advances can be slowed when locked behind intellectual property rights: this is after all the trade off to allow inventors to get the profits of their creativity.
 
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Whatever, just wash your hands.
Although I can't help but point out that there will very obviously be a lot of AIs that won't bother paying for anything at all, ever: they'll just scrape anything and everything. I severely doubt that there will ever be a way to hold them accountable - even if there are notionally laws, I doubt enforcement will be effective.
One of the interesting things the guy they are talking to did was make a tool that can pretty easily detect when someone uses ai to make music and to detect that scarped data. Ai scrapping compressed data will be missing a lot of data and if you know what will be different between the master and what was uploaded to a music site, which is pretty easy to do since compression gets rid of a ton of sound that we just can't hear and you can't insert that sound back or fake it since ai only knows what goes into it. At the very least this can be used to stop a flood of ai music onto music sites.

I have a feeling no matter what ai will eventually be able to be copywritten. The ai companies are going to be putting a lot of effort into making that law when more people realize its not owned. Either that or copywrite laws in general will be heavily loosened so they can get away with data scrapping. Its probably way cheaper for them to try and change the law then to purchase more stuff that has ever been created ever to train their rather shitty ai that can only get about 80% of the way there.
 

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I have a feeling no matter what ai will eventually be able to be copywritten. The ai companies are going to be putting a lot of effort into making that law when more people realize its not owned. Either that or copywrite laws in general will be heavily loosened so they can get away with data scrapping. Its probably way cheaper for them to try and change the law then to purchase more stuff that has ever been created ever to train their rather shitty ai that can only get about 80% of the way there.
I'm thinking here of stuff like DRM, which has been used to create forms of stupid rent. For instance, in the old days, you needed your car fixed then any sufficiently trained mechanic could do it. Now unless it's an obvious fault, you need to pay the car maker for a special gizmo to identify the problem, and if you try to get round paying them for that gizmo then you have committed an honest to god, actual crime. This has absolutely no benefit to customers or car repairers, it's just a tool to gouge them by the car industry. Same idea with printer ink: you're artificially locked into stupidly outrageous ink prices by DRM when it could cost a miniscule percentage were actual competition allowed to occur.

Just as DRM has abused to gouge us, so every goddamn AI company - and potentially a lot of major league producers - are looking very hard at how they can fuck everyone else in order to keep a ton of profits for themselves. They absolutely will rob everyone else blind. I wonder if our governments will have the will or sense to reject this, but deep down I fear they'll be bought into line by the incredibly deep pockets of the tech industry.
 

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I don't even understand how people even like AI-generated music as it's so generic sounding and it's pretty easy to identify AI vocals as well. Though I don't understand how anyone likes stuff on the Top 40 either so, I guess, people are getting what they deserve.