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After seeing the massive amount of stupidity that has spewed out of America since the election of President Obama, I personally think its time to enact an addendum to the voting laws - one that states you must pass Federal Apptitude Test before you're allowed to vote.

Because over these last few months, I think America has proven what the biggest threat to itself is. Its not war with another nation, viruses, socialism, communism, facism or any other "ism". It the fucking absurdly low intelligence of the general population, and the fact that for some reason we feel fucking compelled to let these people have say in what goes, even though doing fucking basic math is a challenge for them. When I have to watch reports about how people in OTHER COUNTRIES know more about my country THEN THE PEOPLE WHO FUCKING LIVE HERE, I honestly just want to start offing people. It'd be a community freakin' service at this point me'thinks. These are people who can't tell their Gerald Fords from their Harrison Fords, but we let them help decide who the President of United States is going to be. Talk about the inmates running the asylum.

(/angry rant part)

But no, seriously, you should have to pass a test every year in order to be allowed to vote on anything on a state or federal level. This accomplishes a few things. It ensures that those who pass have decent grip on logic and thought, know a decent amount about America and World history, and are at least smart enough and civic-minded enough to care, show up, and go through the process. Instead of just letting any naturalizied or natural 18+ have a say.

This test would be an objective, fact-based test, consisting of logic, math, American and World history, and current event questions. You'd have to get a 75% or better to pass, and thats out of at least 150 questions, with no partial credit on anything. Questions would be in no particular order, and consist of something like this:

10: Is the following problem valid or invalid?

All men wear uniforms
Police officers wear uniforms
-Therefore, all police officers are men.

13: Without using a calculator, figure out how much money one would earn working 40 hours a week, 4 weeks a month, for 6 months, at a wage of $8.44, before taxes.

15. Name your state's two Senators and their party.

16: President Lincoln was which President?

17: What were the two sides in the American Civil War?

18: Name 3 nations, besides the United States, that were part of the Allies during World War II.

24: During WWI, what side was the United States on? (Circle one.)

Allies or Entente'

26: Name 3 current Supreme Court Justices.

28: Who wrote the Declaration of Independance?

30: Construct a truth table for the following statement.

If the streets are not wet, then it is not raining.

35: Who is the governer of your state?




None of this is too hard, even for someone fresh out of high school. For verification, the first time you take the test, if you pass you're mailed a card that you swipe when you want to go vote. For every time after that, you take your card with you to the testing center, and turn it in with your test. If you pass, its sent back to you, updated and re-certified. If not, no card for you.

And I know people are going to cry "discrimination" and "unfair", but get over yourselves people - not all discrimination is "bad" and this basic knowledge - if you can't answer these questions as an American, something is seriously wrong.





P.S. For all you test-y types, here are the answers to the above questions, just for fun.

10: Invalid
13: $8,102.40
15: (Varies by State)
16: The 16th
17: Union and Confederate
18: Britian, Soviet Union, France, Poland, Austrialia, Albania, Canada, China, Greece, Belgium, Brazil, Mexico, etc.
24: Entente'
26: Stevens, Scalia, Kennedy, Thomas, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, Alito, Roberts (Chief Justice), Breyer
28: Thomas Jefferson
30: (Table I really don't want to do on my computer)
35: (Varies by State)
 

axia777

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That is how Democracy (well at least in a represented Republic that is) works. What you are proposing is anti-American and fascist. So if you don't like how real Democracy works move to China.
 

sms_117b

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I think Starship Troopers had a good voting system, if you're a citizen you can, if you're a civilian you can't. You're born a civilian and citizenship can be gained by service, University (or payment?). Means the voting population would at least be educated.
 

zauxz

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No. Just no.

First of all, people deserve to choose their leaders, even if they dont know american history that well.

However, if people who pass this test would get a stronger vote ( +2 instead of +1), i would agree.
 

Casual Shinji

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Well, you know what the Spartans said; Democracy works aslong as the majority of the public isn't stupid.
 

axia777

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sms_117b said:
I think Starship Troopers had a good voting system, if you're a citizen you can, if you're a civilian you can't. You're born a civilian and citizenship can be gained by service, University (or payment?). Means the voting population would at least be educated.
Again, this is fascist.

Casual Shinji said:
Well, you know what the Spartans said; Democracy works aslong as the majority of the public isn't stupid.
Really? When did the Spartans say this? Because they had no Democracy. They were a society like sms_117b described in the first quote I posted here above. You had to be in the military to be a full citizen.
 

Cheesus333

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Granted I didn't take your American history classes age 4-16 or whatever it is over there, but I know that the bedrock of your country is freedom of speech, thought and independence. It's allowing everyone to have their say, and for every citizen to shape the country they live in. Okay, that may have been slighly skewed over the years, but it's still there. Seems that little experiment may have been a little too ambitious - a nation of ignorami ruling themselves is one thing, but a nation of ignorami ruling the bright sparks in their country is a step backwards. Consider that this particular nation is generally considered the most influential country on the planet, and we have a global issue.
Anyway, my point is that that little discrimination-esque idea you've got there is what the patriots might call 'anti-American', even if only to defend their pointless opinions or through blind obedience to that flag you all love so much.

I don't hate you guys, by the way. Just the idiots you seem to unquestioningly give power to.
 

steevee

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I agree, but perhaps in the intest of it working drop the pass mark to 60%
As far as I'm concernd utter cretins should not have a say on how the world works. You wouldn't let a high-school drop out work with a nuclear bomb, and you wouldn't trust them to make your city's transport system work would you?
SO why let them decide which crettin runs the country?!
 

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I'm [insert special interest group here] and you can't expect me to know things like this. This is information crafted by the [insert oppressor here] to hold my people down.
 

axia777

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steevee said:
I agree, but perhaps in the interest of it working drop the pass mark to 60%
As far as I'm concerned utter cretins should not have a say on how the world works. You wouldn't let a high-school drop out work with a nuclear bomb, and you wouldn't trust them to make your city's transport system work would you?
SO why let them decide which cretin runs the country?!
But once you limit the rights of one group all other groups are at risk or being limited as well. It is a slippery slope to total fascist rule.
 

sms_117b

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axia777 said:
sms_117b said:
I think Starship Troopers had a good voting system, if you're a citizen you can, if you're a civilian you can't. You're born a civilian and citizenship can be gained by service, University (or payment?). Means the voting population would at least be educated.
Again, this is fascist.

Casual Shinji said:
Well, you know what the Spartans said; Democracy works aslong as the majority of the public isn't stupid.
Really? When did the Spartans say this? Because they had no Democracy. They were a society like sms_117b described in the first quote I posted here above. You had to be in the military to be a full citizen.

Yeah, but it worked (fictionally), I also agreed with a lot that came up in Starship Troopers, and 300 (Spartan society)
 

j0frenzy

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That's a terrible idea. One, its un-American to limit voting rights. If you start limiting it based on education, you set a terrible precedent of what is legal. Two, it is highly discriminatory to tradespeople. Electricians don't need to know shit about the American Civil War to do their job, but as resident's of America they still deserve the chance to participate in government.
 

ioxles

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This is not on. In order vote I think a rational mind should be justified rather than a degree of knowledge.

A preferable method of sorting the wheat from the chaff would perhaps be a specialized iq test designed not to measure, but instead as a way of judging rationale and thinking capacity and taking that as a indicator of whether voting should be permitted or not.
 

axia777

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sms_117b said:
axia777 said:
sms_117b said:
I think Starship Troopers had a good voting system, if you're a citizen you can, if you're a civilian you can't. You're born a civilian and citizenship can be gained by service, University (or payment?). Means the voting population would at least be educated.
Again, this is fascist.

Casual Shinji said:
Well, you know what the Spartans said; Democracy works aslong as the majority of the public isn't stupid.
Really? When did the Spartans say this? Because they had no Democracy. They were a society like sms_117b described in the first quote I posted here above. You had to be in the military to be a full citizen.

Yeah, but it worked (fictionally), I also agreed with a lot that came up in Starship Troopers, and 300 (Spartan society)
Ok. So then you favor a fascist society that limits the rights of certain people.

Hot said:
APPCRASH said:
Discrimination is bad. If you don't like it, go to Canada.
I don't like Canada, what can I do?

Answers on the back of a Postcard kthxbye.
They don't limit voter rights in Canada either.
 

LockHeart

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axia777 said:
Again, this is fascist.
Fascist how? The theories laid out in the book are just debating the idea of a democracy where the franchise is unlimited against a democracy where it is limited to those who have been said to have earned it; all other rights are intact, it is only the franchise that has to be earned.
 

aww yea

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there are people incredibly clever and able to make the best decisions on america's next step who would get a ZERO on this test

its a horrible idea to be frank
 

steevee

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Ok. To clarify on my part.
I think the test should be mainly on base intelligence, i.e logic and reasoning, one only neds the mostbasic of education to be able to do both of these.
Also, some questions should be included in a certain subject area that is pre-released so people can study it. I'm talking a perod of history, or a country. And these questions should not be particularly hard, just take mabye an hours our two research and revision. This shows that these people really do want to vote and arn't doing it on a whim.

On a side-note, it may be a little facist, but at least the world wont end up like it does in the film Idiocracy
 

sms_117b

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axia777 said:
sms_117b said:
Yeah, but it worked (fictionally), I also agreed with a lot that came up in Starship Troopers, and 300 (Spartan society)
Ok. So then you favor a fascist society that limits the rights of certain people.
Yeah, I believe the ends would justify the means.