ultreos2 said:
Well since I don't condone incest myself, it hardly seems fair that I deal with you on the subject. However since I happen to know a few things on the subject I will be more then happy to accommodate.
Who are you talking to?
ultreos2 said:
According to the LGBT community, you can't help what gender you become sexually attracted to. Tell me, why is it off all physical attributes of an individual, if two people have nearly identical physical shape and attractiveness you can fall in love with one person and not the other? Even given all physical attributes are nearly identical.
Exxcept that attraction requires more than simple ideas about shape, this is gross over-simplication at best and entirely irrelevent. The point is that you can't help the sexuality you're born with. And homosexuality IS a trait you are born in to, it also occurs in nature and serves a valuable purpose.
ultreos2 said:
This has suggested over the decades that you might also not have control over whom you become sexually attracted to either. You just have the ability to become sexually attracted to multiple people.
So assuming that the LGBT community consists of... 1% of the world, hardly a very easy to test sample size theory on any account as to how it happens. We for example can't determine what drives people to murder with 100% certainty either. An even lesser percentage. Of people to deal with.
Ok, so you just pulled that figure out of thin air without justification and expect us to accept it at a premise? Firstly people have been examinating homosexuality and sexuality in general for almost two centuries and it was considered normal and acceptable over 1500 years ago, across many cultures. Furthermore, theories aren't tested on anyone. Theories are the explanations of the evidence and experimentation already done and which are continually supported. The fact is that homsexuality occurs in nature, it is something you're born with.
ultreos2 said:
So given that nearly the entire world considers incest wrong, what percentage do you suppose of the world population ends up in incectuous relationships who are also normal, and healthy individuals?
And this is the important distinction as there is a lack of enough evidence of a normal and healthy pair of individuals related by blood who end up in a sexual relationship and have a child. Nd those that do would be afraid to say so, as they recognize society is unacceptable of it.
Why are you so obsessed with incest? It has nothing at all to do with allowing gay marriage. You're trying to create a false equivolency fallacy, and use that to build a strawman fallacy, while ignoring the facts, dangers and moral implications on why incest has to be illegal. Even if you could prove that there was such a thing as a "healthy" incestuous relationship, that would have absolutely no impact at all on allowing or banning gay marriage. The two are completly seperate.
ultreos2 said:
So you are asking for proof on something improvable because it is so universally loathed you have caused those who are in normal mindsets to hide their love and desire from the rest of the world because they are a sibling or parent.
So you are left with people who already have pre existing abnormalities having incestual relationships and having children, and thus, you have a higher percentage chance of ending up with a baby who has abnormalities.
No "normal" person engages in incest, because society loathes.
Please demonstrate your evidence for this claim.
ultreos2 said:
Just as the LGBT community were not "normal" human beings. They had abnormalities and or deformities that "made" them that way. So they were driven into hiding by marrying a partner of the opposite gender to convince themselves they were normal.
So you're stating that homosexuality is an abnormality, despite the fact you have no evidence to support this claim and current knowledge demosntrates it to be false. Oh by the way the 1880s called you, they want their intolerence back.
ultreos2 said:
You see. Because we have created a test ground that has confirmation bias, only the already abnormal participate in incestuous relations.
All evidence againt incest as being terrible, is simple use of confirmation bias and dismissing all healthy children born in this way just a lucky chance, an outlier in the already heavily biased statistics and can not be tested further to prove one way or the other. Simply because it is Universally reviled.
Same claim as before, you haven't demonstrated that incest only occurs in the "already abnormal" Furthmore, we have centuries of monarchic and high society interbreeding, to study. We have millenia of interbred animals suffering from call kinds of maladies. You don't seem to understand how life works, especially the passing on of DNA. You're also making the false correlation between physcial abnormality and proclivity to incest, as well as the baseless claim that proclivity to incest is somehow genetic, passed down and inherent. You're still ignoring the fact that laws against incest are tied to paedophilia law and are there to prevent the abuse of people who cannot be said to give consent or can be abused, manipulated around the clock into giving false consent.
It's a fact taht close relatives can establish genuine attraction to one another, but only under specific circumstances. Namely they have to be raised completely seperately, never having any contact and no knowledge of their existence, until meeting in adulthood.
You see, despite youur backwards idea of how this is studied, we know by studying changes in brain chemistry among siblings who raised together and apart (not only people who engage in incest), that our brains form specific connections with family members, which identify them and prevent attraction.
If incest is occuring in a family unit, it means that either abuse is taking place which is based on power and self-serving, not affection or both parties are engaged in experimentation. Now in the case of abuse, it can't ever be justified and you're claims are just absurd, in the case of the latter, it's still not justified, if it even occurs (I've never heard of it outside of stories and anecdotes), but it absolutely cannot be considered as romantic involvment or mutual attraction.
Furthermore, your argument still doesn't get anywhere near to explaining why this has anything at all to do with allowing gay marriage.
ultreos2 said:
In other words. Exactly what the LGBT community went through. You were all just mentally disturbed individuals.
Firstly, I'm not L,G,B or T, I'm straight, so you've made a false assumption to begin with if in fact you were posting even remotely in response to me. Secondly, you're making the claim that homosexuality, bisexuality and Transgender are mental illnesses Despite the fact that this has been proven false. Now, would you care to provide evidence of your claim, if so you should know you're up against the medical community and centuries of study and evidence.
I look forward to reading your thesis, disproving modern scientific understanding.
Good luck with that.
