I was enjoying it too. There are some things that need to be clarified and people need to accept responsibility for their actions. But sticking up for a group that doesn't really "exist" is really stupid.wolas3214 said:
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When i was 12, doing stupid irresponsible stuff got me punished. I fully agree with what she got. She will think twice next time she decides to dance around the internet swinging middle finger at everyone. why dont you go in a mall and do that?Nick_Snyder said:
Oh, and, this was NewFags. not Anon ideals. NewFags. google it.
Agreed, unless you somehow thought i was sticking up for them? Although i will admit i am biased torwards anon. They used to be decent people and that spirit does show up every now and again. Frankly, i think it should just run its course. What some people dont seem to understand is that many anons are just unloved man-children. You can appeal to them just like any other person.Nick_Snyder said:
There is a difference between doing something and getting admonished in public, and doing something in which you are condemned by a group of people that are mostly trying to humiliate you on the net. Once again, I reiterate, she was 12 and being harassed by a group of people that are probably 21 year old basement dwellers that live at their parent's house.draythefingerless said:
Didn't really mean that, I guess it came out wrong. But, yeah, it used to actually seem like they were getting some things done that actually helped people as a collective. Now not so much.wolas3214 said:
Which makes him dumb enough to rise to the bait. Real skill there. Of course the entire mess was an entire fucking trap so they could try to sue Anonymous in the first place. So yeah, real skillful there.Chatboy 91 said:
Research is your friend. You should get some experience with it. But here [http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/17/hbgary_hack_redux/]'s a quick cheat sheet for you. Anon was provoked by Barr's announcement that they would disclose information about Anon's leadership at the BSides San Fransisco conference.Chatboy 91 said:
No, that's like a man dangling a small child in front of a pitbull and then kicking the dog. Sure, you can blame the dog for what followed, but it wasn't the dog's fault, and no court will agree with you.Chatboy 91 said:
And this is not a case of before and after. Anon pissed people off. Anyone who thinks that DDoSing a state website in the middle east will contribute to the collapse of the regime is either insane, so egotistical as to be capable of generating their own gravity well powerful enough to sucking their own head out their sphincter, or too stupid to live. Pick one.
As for "feeding information to protesters"? The only places I've seen information about this outside of Anon's own circle jerk sessions claimed that anonymous individuals were working to feed information around, the same as the anonymous individuals working to circumvent the internet lockdown, but not Anonymous members. Anonymous doesn't get to pick and choose like that, they don't get to include people that aren't part of their membership to make themselves look good.
Depends who it is. In this case it's someone who carried real weight in the organization, even if you didn't realize it at the time.Chatboy 91 said:
I took an oath long ago not to rest while people were making irrational arguments and claiming it was their opinion, and that was all that mattered, because clearly their opinion was worth more than a rational logical argument.Chatboy 91 said:
At the rate their leadership is being vanned, and the effectiveness of their movement falters in the face of prosecution? No, their time is passing, all they can do now is flail about and claim that someone was hacking their wireless routers all this time.Chatboy 91 said:
What is your point here? Because she is 12 she is absolved of all responsibilities? That because she is 12 she cannot get pummeled to the ground when she does stupid shit? This girl teased them. They do not seek out people minding their own business.Nick_Snyder said:
Perhaps i am a bit cruel, but if you play with fire, you get burned. the fire doesnt care if youre 12 or 30. You wanna go on the internet and prance about mocking everything, dont go surprised or offended when people maul you down. The world is cruel, and if you dont know so, its your own befault to what happens to you.
Also, if youre 12, you shouldnt even engage in what she was engaging, IE, mocking people, teasing people older than her, and overall, being a camwhore.
In the end you can complain all you want, a 12 year old got punished, and she will live on her life normally, but aware to not fuck with people anymore.
I dont defend those who attack her, but i defend that she was punished with reason.
I'm assuming you're a Sony fanboy or summat, and hopped on the "blame Anonymous" bandwagon as soon as you could.Clipclop said:
It's just a loosely connected group of internet folk. That do stuff. They don't go out of their to be assholes, nor do they try and bully the little guy. When they organized massive protests of Scientology, was that them being evil?
Also, blindly obeying "the voice of the forums" would probably be the single most idiotic thing that any group could ever do. Seriously. We wouldn't have Unskippable, Extra Credits, Zero Punctuation, and so on, because there's always a chunk of people going "you really lost your touch, not entertaining/right at all, stop making these".
Frankly, I applaud them for tackling an actual issue, which is that everyone is scrambling to find a scapegoat for Sony once more taking a crap on its userbase. And this was Sony taking a crap on their userbase, because if they gave even half a damn about them they would have installed some basic security.
Or should we just only have opinions that kiss Sony's ass, chanting that Anonymous is the New Big Evil in the internet world and that we must band together to stop Them? Just because you disagree, doesn't mean everyone else does. I like Anon, I think they didn't do it. You can't get me to disagree with my opinion.
Well that's obviously just a bunch of racist fuckwits. They don't represent Anonymous, or even a fraction of the Anon collective. (Don't forget, anybody with a computer and an internet connection is essentially an anon, and most people these days aren't racist.)Clipclop said:
Just to be clear, though, are they railing on him just on the imageboard, or are they actively harassing this poor man through Facebook, email, and whatnot? Because there's a big difference.
So what if she harassed them. They should just get over it. If they feel "threatened" by a stupid girls actions, such as her being a camwhore and mocking people then... so what. I'm not sure if she will live her life normally after this.draythefingerless said:
you fail to see this is the internet, not real life. they didnt ram down her throat and gave her mental scarring or raped her. stop overblowing this. they harrassed her and humiliated her. if she was mature enough to do her idiotic actions, she wuold be mature enough to get the consequences. you try to justify your point by overblowing the consequences of what happened. and guess what, i can go to amany websites and see children get humiliated. hell ive spent a good time reading about troll events where said bully teens got trolled accordingly.Clipclop said:
terryfying? you need to get out of your bubble. if this is terryfying, you seriously need to open your eyes. youll get a heart attack when you realize what terryfying really means. this is mildly amusing and somewhat slightly haunting. ive yet to see someone get more than a few mail at home for this. anyone of ourse, who actively stalks a child is wrong, but no such thing happened. they exposed her life, exposed her address and humiliated her in public. no man went up to her and asked her to get in his candy van.
in the end, you defend that children are excusable of punishment for their actions(a reason i despise our society in this day n age), while i defend that a human being, if conscious and aware enough of his actions, should get punished, lightly if so, for said actions.
we offer different points of views, wich arent perfect, and subject to neither wrong or right.
you actively bully, insult, mock and tease people, you get and punished humiliated. doesnt matter she was 12, she was mature enough to do those horrible acts, and she learned not to do them again, at no cost to her sanity, mentality or body. shell live on to be a lil whore in real life.
thats my belief. :/ sorry to bust your balls on the whole unified ideal world.
Fair enough, I agree that opinion does not set precedence over logical arguments. I hope I didn't come across that way, I was simply working off of my own knowledge on the issue.Starke said:
Nice job of dodging the point because of my opening. My assumption had been that only a fanboy of Sony could possibly be seeing Anonymous as a 100% evil entity.Clipclop said:
I was mistaken.
Now, let's reiterate the rest of what I said, but shorter:
Anonymous has done good things in the past. And so far, the only evidence linking their amorphous, unorganized, anarchic group to the Sony attack is a clearly left behind calling card, which defeats the purpose of Anonymous and sets up a nice scape goat.
So, acting like they are bad is just a knee jerk reaction, and precisely what corporations, governments, and religious groups want you to think because of what Anon stands for. Which is generally anarchy, entertainment, and freedom.
Clipclop said:
Well, to be entirely honest one of the reasons why I rant about it, other than being bored, is because Anonymous wasn't quite a household name before the whole "wikileaks" thing. Love it or hate it, that got them t a ton of exposure, and people who weren't paying attention think that this defines the movement. Prior to that their "greatest hits" consisted of things like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slDAPms8Tvs
Even the scientology raids, operation titstorm, etc... failed to get the attention that wikileaks did.
The very fact that you could shock people with their memes and virally spread videos like zippocat, tubgirl, funnelgirl, and others was a testement that not many people knew who they were so didn't see it coming. Likewise even people like Oprah who tend to be fairly well informed had no idea in reciting the Anonymous credo and making herself look like a complete moron to anyone who did know.
So I pretty much just take the time to explain things, and hope it sinks in. If people are looking to Anonymous to be some kind of heroes, they have the wrong group. Even their "heroic" defense of Wikileaks is a mixed bag, as only left wing extremists really think that was a good idea, and only because it made people they didn't like look bad at the moment. National security is one of those things that even sane proponents of free speech can get behind, and leaking classified diplomatic documents and such to the general public is not a good thing from anyone's perspective. Sure it made the US look stupid and hurt it's relations a bit, but at the same time just imagine, the US goes down and with it go all
those wonderful free speech rights supposedly being championed.
Picketing, protesting, rallying
Hacking, shutting off severs, invading private areas
Both are effective
Both have proven to get the job done
One is illegal the other is not
This is all I'm concerned with
Smart people who thought of shit like this made these laws, where as smart people who continue to think about this shit evaluate them.
If Anonymous played by the rules like every other game changer out there then they wouldn't have to hide.
Hacking, shutting off severs, invading private areas
Both are effective
Both have proven to get the job done
One is illegal the other is not
This is all I'm concerned with
Smart people who thought of shit like this made these laws, where as smart people who continue to think about this shit evaluate them.
If Anonymous played by the rules like every other game changer out there then they wouldn't have to hide.
Starke said:
There was no paticular dual meaning intended. I meant white knight in the context of the stereotypical character that appears out of nowhere to rescue the damsel or save the day from great evil. The point was that Anonymous is not exactly a group of heroes that crusade for the common good, Anonymous is just as likely to say terrorize the damsel and ruin her life just for some good lines to virally spread through the internet as memes as they are to protect her in my experience.
Anonymous is just not consistant enough, by it's very nature to stand for anything. Even if you look at their persecution of those who hurt cats, which many people believe has been consistant, the observant can point to the whole "Zippocat" thing which was a set of step by step "instructional" pictures for lighting a cat on fire, complete with a charred corpse finish. A copypasta used to troll animal rights activists and such, that became associated with the group fairly early on.
I don't want to get involved in your fight mainly because well, fuck any fight over the internet is stupid. But opening your counter-argument with an assumption and an insult rolled into one has proven to be ineffectual. No one listens when a child is shouting they just want to shut it up. Just because you can't stop your emotions from reaching your fingers doesn't mean you get to insult everyone who has some self-control.Sudenak said:
You owe this guy an apology not a veiled insult
Well.... that kinda does void the individuals that don't do anything bad. Anon is a pretty amorphous mass of people, its kinda like pointing at a group of people in an elevator when someone farts and saying "All of you farted". Its kinda pointless to point blame at Anon because well..... they're anon. Nothing you personally can do will bring them down, if anything you'll just invite trouble on yourself. I personally could give two shits towards anon. I agree with some things they stand for and sometimes I'm kinda like eh..... little too far fellas. Best thing you can do against anon if you don't like them is simply avoid them. Do your thing and let them do theirs. All is well.Clipclop said: