On the recent puppy-throwing...

[Verlander]

People are selfish. What happens to other people doesn't matter, but what happens to an animal you would want yourself, then it's a tragedy. It's hard for many people to feel sorry for a group who don't look the same, speak the same language or live in the same way. This dissociation from other people around the world fuels racism and facism

 

[AlanShore]

Most people are so completely unremarkable I don't care about loss of their life any more than an animals.

Thanks for being part of the problem. If everybody thought the way you did we'd all exploit, murder and steal from one another because, after all, I don't care about such unremarkable people when there's ME I can think about!

Oh wait, that's how the world really is. Because so many people think like you. You know, everybody seems lame and boring until one pulls one's head of the proverbial buttocks and gets to freaking know them. I met a guy in a college class this term who was a veteran who spoke Korean. Another guy was in the marines. I know a Vietnamese girl who was born in Belgium but lives in America, an Asian-American anime chick, a would-be cartoonist who dresses like Ramona Flowers, and a dude who fought a former World Champion martial artist.

I dunno what people are like where you're from, but most of the ones I meet are pretty freaking awesome. I'd much rather see people alive than dogs, and I'm a dog person.

Good for you, although no one on that list stands out as someone remarkable, unless you count being born in Belgium an achievement. I find the people I've been in contact with through school, university and my work to be almost entirely worthless, boring, dull and content to stagnate in their own mediocrity. Such a waste of potential.

 

[manic_depressive13]

If you don't think people would be equally outraged, if not more outraged, if someone had posted a video of someone throwing human babies into a river, you are kidding yourself. What you wouldn't get is people asking "I don't understand, puppies and kittens die every day, why are you getting upset about this?" because they would verbally get torn a new asshole. Honestly, how callous. One injustice happening doesn't mean you should just let another injustice pass.

Unfortunately, it's out of sight, out of mind. People were shown this disgusting act, and they were naturally revolted. Yes, there are billions of other injustices happening, but not all of them are caught on film, so they're easier to ignore. I would be extremely concerned if people didn't react the way they did to this video.

 

[Samurai Goomba]

Most people are so completely unremarkable I don't care about loss of their life any more than an animals.

Thanks for being part of the problem. If everybody thought the way you did we'd all exploit, murder and steal from one another because, after all, I don't care about such unremarkable people when there's ME I can think about!

Oh wait, that's how the world really is. Because so many people think like you. You know, everybody seems lame and boring until one pulls one's head of the proverbial buttocks and gets to freaking know them. I met a guy in a college class this term who was a veteran who spoke Korean. Another guy was in the marines. I know a Vietnamese girl who was born in Belgium but lives in America, an Asian-American anime chick, a would-be cartoonist who dresses like Ramona Flowers, and a dude who fought a former World Champion martial artist.

I dunno what people are like where you're from, but most of the ones I meet are pretty freaking awesome. I'd much rather see people alive than dogs, and I'm a dog person.

Good for you, although no one on that list stands out as someone remarkable, unless you count being born in Belgium an achievement. I find the people I've been in contact with through school, university and my work to be almost entirely worthless, boring, dull and content to stagnate in their own mediocrity. Such a waste of potential.

And what is a fulfillment of potential, may I ask? Some Hollywood crap about being an astronaut or killing people America doesn't like? Is that how to have a fulfilling life? Can I assume that because you went to school and worked with these people you insulted, that you are also "almost entirely worthless", boring and dull, if not content to stagnate in mediocrity? If they were everywhere you were, what makes you think you've done any better with your potential than they have? Who died and made you the judge of humanity?

And as for the folks I mentioned not being remarkable, well, I guess you would have had to have actually known them. Does it ever bother you, all the people you've written off or judged without really knowing them? Somewhere out there could have been a soul mate, a best friend, an extended family member. You could have met people and realized that sometimes what things look like is not how they are. But by taking this attitude, you are depriving yourself of a big part of the richness of life in favor of writing off humanity. There are always dirtbags. Thing is, dirtbags make themselves known whether you go out of your way to meet them or not ('cause an annoying jerk can't keep that to his/herself). You're only missing out on the good people with your philosophy.

 

[rabidmidget]

A flood is a natural disaster, which can be barely prevented.

Throwing puppies in a river is a conscience decision, one so sadistic and removed from our moral values, that we get twisted up about it.

Also you can't get angry at a flood, but you can at a women who throws puppies.

 

[Karathos]

A flood is a natural disaster, which can be barely prevented.

Throwing puppies in a river is a conscience decision, one so sadistic and removed from our moral values, that we get twisted up about it.

Also you can't get angry at a flood, but you can at a women who throws puppies.

The flood-thing was actually just an example. Should've used something human-caused I suppose...

 

[Baby Tea]

Good for you, although no one on that list stands out as someone remarkable, unless you count being born in Belgium an achievement. I find the people I've been in contact with through school, university and my work to be almost entirely worthless, boring, dull and content to stagnate in their own mediocrity. Such a waste of potential.

You know, usually when I see this typed out, or said by someone, they are presupposing that they themselves aren't unremarkable. Now, of course, everyone cares about their own well-being and personal safety, but have you ever considered that your presuppositions about yourself being 'remarkable' are quite incorrect?

Now you could feign some self depreciating stance of 'oh I know I'm not remarkable', but we both know that's not true. Anyone who openly states that the majority of people who they meet have the value of an animal simple because they are 'unremarkable' doesn't think poorly of themselves. Quite the opposite.

The problem with this idea that everyone is unremarkable is that it's entirely untrue. Every person has a massive impact on the world. They may not all invent some new medicine, they may not develop a cleaner burning fuel, or cure cancer, or some other incredible event, but their effect is absolutely there. And here it is, in a nutshell:

Say you take one guy (We'll call him Bob). What is Bob's effect on the world? You'd say it's nothing, I would say it's massive. Why? Because Bob has about 10 to 12 really close friends. Those are people he deals with on a regular basis who truly know him. Bob's conversations with them effects their perceptions of things (worldview) and their life experience. Even if Bob is an idiot, and they totally disagree with things he says, his very being and friendship effects them. These 12 friends all have varying degrees of 'other' close friends that Bob doesn't know. By Bob's influence, through his friends, they effect their friends. They they effect [/i]their[/i] friends, and so on and so on. Even if it's something like "Man, my buddy's friend bob said the stupidest thing...", that's an effected life. Now, that's all besides the fact that Bob will run into hundreds of people per day! Slowing down a line, holding the door for someone to keep them moving briskly, buying the last item at a store before someone else, taking that last cab, offering that seat to the elderly woman.

These are hundreds of lives that will effect thousands more, through the most minute and seemingly insignificant actions. Bob keeping someone late to work can get that guy fired, who goes home early to find his wife cheating on him, who then goes through a serious depression, comes out of it, and writes a book about overcoming adversity that doesn't sell great, but still helps thousands of other men come out of a similar rut he was in.

That can happen.
That's the beauty of humanity, and it involves every person.
And that's pretty freakin' remarkable.

 

[rabidmidget]

Good for you, although no one on that list stands out as someone remarkable, unless you count being born in Belgium an achievement. I find the people I've been in contact with through school, university and my work to be almost entirely worthless, boring, dull and content to stagnate in their own mediocrity. Such a waste of potential.

You know, usually when I see this typed out, or said by someone, they are presupposing that they themselves aren't unremarkable. Now, of course, everyone cares about their own well-being and personal safety, but have you ever considered that your presuppositions about yourself being 'remarkable' are quite incorrect?

Now you could feign some self depreciating stance of 'oh I know I'm not remarkable', but we both know that's not true. Anyone who openly states that the majority of people who they meet have the value of an animal simple because they are 'unremarkable' doesn't think poorly of themselves. Quite the opposite.

The problem with this idea that everyone is unremarkable is that it's entirely untrue. Every person has a massive impact on the world. They may not all invent some new medicine, they may not develop a cleaner burning fuel, or cure cancer, or some other incredible event, but their effect is absolutely there. And here it is, in a nutshell:

Say you take one guy (We'll call him Bob). What is Bob's effect on the world? You'd say it's nothing, I would say it's massive. Why? Because Bob has about 10 to 12 really close friends. Those are people he deals with on a regular basis who truly know him. Bob's conversations with them effects their perceptions of things (worldview) and their life experience. Even if Bob is an idiot, and they totally disagree with things he says, his very being and friendship effects them. These 12 friends all have varying degrees of 'other' close friends that Bob doesn't know. By Bob's influence, through his friends, they effect their friends. They they effect [/i]their[/i] friends, and so on and so on. Even if it's something like "Man, my buddy's friend bob said the stupidest thing...", that's an effected life. Now, that's all besides the fact that Bob will run into hundreds of people per day! Slowing down a line, holding the door for someone to keep them moving briskly, buying the last item at a store before someone else, taking that last cab, offering that seat to the elderly woman.

These are hundreds of lives that will effect thousands more, through the most minute and seemingly insignificant actions. Bob keeping someone late to work can get that guy fired, who goes home early to find his wife cheating on him, who then goes through a serious depression, comes out of it, and writes a book about overcoming adversity that doesn't sell great, but still helps thousands of other men come out of a similar rut he was in.

That can happen.
That's the beauty of humanity, and it involves every person.
And that's pretty freakin' remarkable.

Dam, there goes my pessimism.

I hope you're happy.

 

[Glamorgan]

It isn't the idea that the puppies drowned. It's the idea that someone drowned them.
Sure, people die all the time, but when someone kills someone, then we care.

 

[Vern]

http://www.theknightlynews.com/storage/chad-darfur_02.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1251388879904
If a child soldier, who looks like he's 35 years old, holding a sand stained AK-47 has less of an impact on you than a girl throwing puppies in a river, then you aren't a human being. Crimes against animals are disturbing, and they show a clear need for psychiatric evaluation of the person, and financial reimbursement to the owner if applicable, but they are not humans. There are larger problems in the world that demand more attention than hunting down a girl who threw puppies in a river. I don't see Michael Bay and 4chan hunting down the people in Darfur who kill people by hacking their limbs off with machetes, rape 12 year old girls, and force children to become child soldiers. Perception, it's what's important. When a person dies, it's more important than an animal dying, because we are people.

 

[Tiny116]

I think it has a lot to do with the age of the girl and the fact that it was senseless, she could have dumped the puppies on someones door step, she could have sold them but instead she chose a senseless act of cruelty.
Thats what makes it a big deal.
And yes it may well pale in comparison to a lot of things that happen in the world today, but that doesn't make the act any less cruel.

EDIT:

If a child soldier, who looks like he's 35 years old, holding a sand stained AK-47 has less of an impact on you than a girl throwing puppies in a river, then you aren't a human being. Crimes against animals are disturbing, and they show a clear need for psychiatric evaluation of the person, and financial reimbursement to the owner if applicable, they are not humans. There are larger problems in the world that demand more attention than hunting down a girl who threw puppies in a river. I don't see Michael Bay and 4chan hunting down the people in Darfur who kill people by hacking their limbs off with machetes, rape 12 year old girls, and force children to become child soldiers. Perception, it's what's important. When a person dies, it's more important than an animal dying, because we are people.

That is disturbing and it is more disturbing than drowning puppies, without a doubt. This would defiantly be one of those situations that pale in comparison to killing puppies. However, and please don't flame me for saying this IT IS NOT MY OPINION it is an observation. Even though that is horrible and certainty requires more military attention than some other conflicts I could name. It is a way of life in that country, it is being done for an over all goal. A perverted and Evil goal, and not one I would like to guess at, but a goal. They are still senseless crimes but crimes that have an outcome for whichever fucked up piece of shit orders them.
As for the sentence I put in bold in your quote, How do you suppose 4chan hunt down people without the internet? How do you suggest they terrorise people who don't give a damn about being little more than named and shamed? Your example is a crime against humanity and has to, and can only be handled by the governments and therefore can not be used in comparison for a group of anonymous individuals, who are just as likely to cause trouble as they are to take action.
The bottom line is the person who killed the puppies is someone they can find, they can shame and terrorise, whoever is in charge in Darfur is not someone they can find and punish.

[sub]sorry if i've offended anyone with what i said there...i just had to get it out[/sub]

 

[elcamino41383]

Now, this is the first topic I've actually decided to start myself so bear with me on this. Watching the massive outburst of anger on most forums in regards to the video of the teenage girl throwing puppies in the river, I immediately started thinking one thing.

"Do people have any idea how many HUMAN BEINGS die every day for no good reason?"

Now allow me to explain that. I just can't get my head around the amount of outrage that this has caused. Yes, it's a sick act and I'd just as happily throw the girl into a river herself, but is it really -that- big a news story that some puppies got killed? Thousands drown in floods in some hellhole and it barely raises any eyebrows, but a girl throwing puppies in the river and everyone's greasing up the sniper rifles for a takedown. It's not the first time this has happened either (US Marine throws puppy off cliff-video, for example), so for added discussion value I'm going to ask...

Why does something like cute puppies being hurt merit such a strong response from people, while simultaneous human suffering elsewhere seems to go unnoticed? Or is it just me being a cynic, to begin with? Now discuss!

It sucks that people have to die for no reason. It sucks anything has to die period. Sadly, its a part of life. Thing is though, a flood or other natural disasters, more often than not, are not caused by humans. It's not as if I can wave my hands around and cause Hurricane Earl to suddenly have a lot more impact on the east coast than it will. Things like this puppy-throwing, however, CAN be helped. It shouldn't happen to ANY animal, let alone puppies. (Come on, how could you do that, seriously? Puppies are so adorable...I mean full grown cats...sure....I kid, I kid.) People that get a sick enjoyment out of doing such awful things to animals need to be locked up, or have the same things done to themselves, see how they like it. It's one thing to discipline an animal for doing something wrong (much like you do with a child, a smack on the rear or something not too harsh.) It's another thing to go toss them in a river or something when you know they can't do jack shit about it. I don't want this girl dead. I want her found, bound up and tossed in the same river she tossed the puppies in. See how much she enjoys that...

 

[Dusk17]

Who cares about people there are billions of them, and puppies are cute.

 

[darkonnis]

Fact of the matter is, i wouldn't care if her reasons were humane, it was a last choice and the method of execution she chose was an unfortunate but necessary.
But no, she has a box of pups, she is throwing them into a river, and taking great joy at their suffering and death.
To me this is like tormenting a disabled person to death, they can't help themselves, and she is nothing worse than a bully.

"Do people have any idea how many HUMAN BEINGS die every day for no good reason?"

What is a good reason? Frankly there isn't one. But if we all lived long happy lives it would be boring and all the good would become a steady neutral as there would be no bad.
If these puppies had died as part of some flood or natural disaster i wouldn't care, truthfully i wouldnt. But the fact that some malicious little c**t has taken it upon herself to kill them pisses me off. I can safely say if given the chance, i'd ruin her day for her without any hesitation.

 

[blankedboy]

http://www.theknightlynews.com/storage/chad-darfur_02.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1251388879904
If a child soldier, who looks like he's 35 years old, holding a sand stained AK-47 has less of an impact on you than a girl throwing puppies in a river, then you aren't a human being. Crimes against animals are disturbing, and they show a clear need for psychiatric evaluation of the person, and financial reimbursement to the owner if applicable, but they are not humans. There are larger problems in the world that demand more attention than hunting down a girl who threw puppies in a river. I don't see Michael Bay and 4chan hunting down the people in Darfur who kill people by hacking their limbs off with machetes, rape 12 year old girls, and force children to become child soldiers. Perception, it's what's important. When a person dies, it's more important than an animal dying, because we are people.

Now that is just sad.
A human dying is NOT more important than an animal dying.
Just because we're civilised doesn't mean we're at a higher level than animals. We're still the same at our core.
You'd think differently if you were a furry xD

 

[Angryman101]

I think someone already said this, but I'm pretty sure if it were a bag of human babies, the shit-storm would be much, much worse. People naturally feel empathy for small, cute creatures like puppies and baby seals because they're able to project their feelings upon them, and seeing them die personally makes them angry. As so many people have said before; 1 is a tragedy, a million is a statistic. If you were able to hear every child soldier bleeding out or woman being raped and murdered whimpering and crying, scared and pleading for mercy as it was playing out, they would have the same reaction, probably stronger, than they would have for this video.
BTW I honestly can't watch the video. The crying puppies would make me die inside.

 

[AlanShore]

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Yes I do think my achievements so far have been fairly remarkable and no I've never thought that I'm wrong in thinking that. I'm not, however, under the illusion that there aren't people far better than myself. I'm just sick of people who have dreams and ambitions and how they go on about how they'd like to do X, Y or Z and then never follow through with any of it because people are ultimately lazy and content to follow what everyone else does and be "average".

 

[Babitz]

The puppy killing thread originated on a forum where I'm a moderator. I'd give you a link, but you wouldn't have any benefit since 99% of you don't speak Croatian / Serbian. The retard who uploaded the video was banned, however. But before posting it and everything, he was asking about 4chan and if they can track him down. Since he lives in Bosnia, i.e. nowhere, he thought they were safe. I hope he enjoys his and his sisters' 5 minutes of fame. But anyway, there were some journalists who came to his and his sisters' (the one throwing puppies) home; they refused to give an interview, of course.

 

[Babitz]

http://www.theknightlynews.com/storage/chad-darfur_02.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1251388879904
If a child soldier, who looks like he's 35 years old, holding a sand stained AK-47 has less of an impact on you than a girl throwing puppies in a river, then you aren't a human being. Crimes against animals are disturbing, and they show a clear need for psychiatric evaluation of the person, and financial reimbursement to the owner if applicable, but they are not humans. There are larger problems in the world that demand more attention than hunting down a girl who threw puppies in a river. I don't see Michael Bay and 4chan hunting down the people in Darfur who kill people by hacking their limbs off with machetes, rape 12 year old girls, and force children to become child soldiers. Perception, it's what's important. When a person dies, it's more important than an animal dying, because we are people.

Now that is just sad.
A human dying is NOT more important than an animal dying.
Just because we're civilised doesn't mean we're at a higher level than animals. We're still the same at our core.
You'd think differently if you were a furry xD

Being a furry makes you deluded, as you have a biased point of view. Did you ever kill a mosquito or only dogs, cats and cattle are considered animals?

 

[AVATAR_RAGE]

We've been desensitized to human suffering - it helps us get by day-to-day life in this hellish nightmare of a world.

/emo

yep you see people die every day on tv and such, not so many movies about puppies being thrown in rivers