On the recent puppy-throwing...

[Babitz]

The puppy killing thread originated on a forum where I'm a moderator. I'd give you a link, but you wouldn't have any benefit since 99% of you don't speak Croatian / Serbian. The retard who uploaded the video was banned, however. But before posting it and everything, he was asking about 4chan and if they can track him down. Since he lives in Bosnia, i.e. nowhere, he thought they were safe. I hope he enjoys his and his sisters' 5 minutes of fame. But anyway, there were some journalists who came to his and his sisters' (the one throwing puppies) home; they refused to give an interview, of course.

Give it to us anyway. Not only could we just put it through Google translator or one of those sorts of sites or we can just give it to 4chan and watch them have fun ripping them apart. Not the site, just the kid.

For me it is not about the fact that it was puppies that she was killing, it was the fact that she was enjoying killing something that was completely defenseless and I find that sick. For the record I do feel a lot of sadness when I hear about any innocent human life being taken, more so then any animal.

4chaners have registered there already. The user was banned so there's no point in trying to harass him. The thread is locked and I pretty much summed everything up. At least our traffic doubled and tripled for a few days. Oh, well.

 

[kintaris]

Because small-puppy suffering is more immediate, relatable and quantifiable than mass human death.

This is because we all think of small animals as innocent, whereas we think of humanity as a race as a bit of a bastard as so we have less sympathy. We're quite constantly told from a variety of sources that we are all sinners that deserve to die. Small cute animals don't. (This isn't my view, I'm just commenting on the society view.)

Still, I'm pretty sure there would be more outrage if she had thrown several newborn babies in a river.

 

[Mordwyl]

Easy. I can't prevent a civil war by myself, but were I in the presence of said girl I'd rip her limbs off with my bare hands.

 

[Nazulu]

I know what you mean. Nearly everyone was like "BURN THE WITCH!" booooooooooooo hissssssssssssss *spits at screen* arrrrgggggggggg ????? *head explodes*

This is a natural reaction to something so horrible and it would be even worse if it was a human. They don't allow video's of humans being killed on popular video sites while this puppy throwing has spread nearly all over the internet, so I don't think anyone is comparing the murder of animals to humans.

I bet this girl had a bad up-bringing if she doesn't feel guilty after what she did and should be treated, not sentenced to death like all you over-reacting lot.

 

[Ironic Pirate]

When you think about it, a puppy is almost definitely sweet, cute, innocent, and it's body shape is almost designed to get our protective instincts up.

A human stirs some natural competitive instincts, and when you think about it, humans can really be terrible, awful people. Dogs can be "bad", but there isn't the same potential. So basically, if a person dies, we don't know if they were, well, a good person. If a dog dies, on the other hand...

There's also the fact that there's video representation, which helps use focus our anger.

 

[gamepopper101]

Reasons this has gotten outrage:
- Animal Cruelty
- She's treating this as a laugh
- She clearly doesn't care what she'd done because it was posted online

Although I do agree, it isn't fair that human cruelty goes unnoticed (or doesn't get long lasting attention) when compared to this.

Really, this video shouldn't exist.

 

[Danzaivar]

My point was that, as a human being, a humans death should mean more than an animals death. It's preservation of the species, and as a result I think a humans death is more important than an animals. I wouldn't advocate going out and killing animals randomly, but if it was a choice between puppies being thrown in a river or a human, I'd say bye-bye puppy. While I'm not terribly fond of most people, I still value their lives above animals, because I'm a human, so I place a greater value on our lives than animals. So I guess I'm a speciest. There's more important things to get pissed off at than a girl throwing puppies in a river, as fucked up as it may be.

How charmingly Fascist.

 

[PoliceBox63]

We've been desensitized to human suffering - it helps us get by day-to-day life in this hellish nightmare of a world.

/emo

Truth is seeping out of your post

 

[Queen Michael]

Puppies are cute. People care more about cute things. In my opinion it's better to care about cute htings than to care about naught, though of course that's a huge simplification. Still it would be better to care about things that can actually be saved.

 

[JanatUrlich]

My. Thoughts. Exactly.

Thank you! People call me heartless when I say that the puppy throwing thing didn't affect me badly. Yes, it is a horrible thing that she's doing, but there are people worldwide who are in situations worse than we can ever imagine and I can't help but be more upset and angered by their plights.

 

[Baby Tea]

Yes I do think my achievements so far have been fairly remarkable and no I've never thought that I'm wrong in thinking that.

The very likely chances are that they aren't.
At least, not if we're talking statistics and averages.
I don't doubt for a second, however, that you think what you've done is remarkable.

I'm just sick of people who have dreams and ambitions and how they go on about how they'd like to do X, Y or Z and then never follow through with any of it because people are ultimately lazy and content to follow what everyone else does and be "average".

Because you know the hearts and minds of everyone, right?
The guy who is driving that cab? Yeah, you know all about him because he's driving a cab. Probably lazy.
That homeless guy on the corner? Yeah, you know all about him. He's homeless, and obviously lazy.

Let me say this:
A man who works a shitty cubicle job he hates for the rest of his life because he's supporting a family he loves, and would rather put his own selfish ambition on hold then have them want for anything is far more 'remarkable' and admirable then anyone who strives for the 'remarkable' (Whatever that means) and damned be the consequences.

You're sick of people who are lazy?
You know what I'm sick of? People who think they have to be in the history books, or have their own Wikipedia page, or some other 'laurel' in order to feel they have worth. I'm sick of people putting own other people because of their income, social status, education, or career. I'm sick of people who look down on those who don't strive to be the 'next big thing' because they are perfectly content where they are. Heaven forbid people simply be happy!

Geez. What are they teaching kids today?

 

[Cmwissy]

Hopefully this hasn't already been ninja'd -


I understand most of the internet is white and middle-class, so this post might come as a shock to some of you but - Drowning kittens/puppies is quite normal. (Throwing them into a river like shot-puts however, is not.)

I've lived in both a middle-class greater London area where this is a massive monstrosity and a rural southern-French area where this is a normal occurrence. Not everywhere has veterinarians who can 'look after' animals or shelters that can home them for free - And because of that, when you're living in a rural area and you're surrounded by twelve cats/dogs with another litter on the way, sadly, you have to kill the new ones on the way, usually by drowning/'tapping' on the head.


Let's not judge this girl for what she did, but for how she did it.


And before someone calls me some sort of monster, I am against having to do this - most people are - but there is no other choice in these areas.

[small] and because my step-dad recently had to drown kittens. [/small]

 

[AlanShore]

The very likely chances are that they aren't.

Trust me, they are.

Because you know the hearts and minds of everyone, right?
The guy who is driving that cab? Yeah, you know all about him because he's driving a cab. Probably lazy.
That homeless guy on the corner? Yeah, you know all about him. He's homeless, and obviously lazy.

The cab driver probably is lazy and was too short sighted to apply himself in school. Not many people would actually want a job like that.

Anyway this discussion is pointless; you think most people are magical and wonderful, I think most are are useless and would back stab you in a heartbeat if they thought they could get away with it. Has anyone ever changed anyone's mind through an internet discussion?

 

[SnipErlite]

Because people don't watch videos of other humans suffering and dying in their thousands. When there's a clip right in front of you it's a lot harder to ignore or to not think about.

Plus...those puppies were cute! It's like...aw.

 

[Cmwissy]

Or are there no vets in rural areas?

Fifty miles away from where we lived. And we didn't have a car. And the puppies had already been born.

And don't think we didn't try to find a bus or taxi at all, 'least one that would accept a box of puppies on board.


Stop trying to be a smartarse.

 

[the December King]

It is abhorrent. When something is done like this, it is a cold- blooded and disgusting act. The people who post these things should also be punished.

When people drown in floods, it is sad. When animals die in a flood, it is sad. When babies of either humans or animals are tossed into a river to die for the amusement of others, it is criminal and wrong.

 

[Baby Tea]

The very likely chances are that they aren't.

Trust me, they are.

Pardon me if I don't trust you.

The cab driver probably is lazy and was too short sighted to apply himself in school. Not many people would actually want a job like that.

I'm so glad that you know everyone and what they want.
That must be a very handy skill to have.

Anyway this discussion is pointless; you think most people are magical and wonderful, I think most are are useless and would back stab you in a heartbeat if they thought they could get away with it. Has anyone ever changed anyone's mind through an internet discussion?

I don't think most people are magical and wonderful.
I think everyone has worth. There is quite a difference there.

You're right about one thing, though: That I probably won't change your mind.
But that's what happens, right? No sense in having any self-reflection. It's the internet.

 

[the December King]

My. Thoughts. Exactly.

Thank you! People call me heartless when I say that the puppy throwing thing didn't affect me badly. Yes, it is a horrible thing that she's doing, but there are people worldwide who are in situations worse than we can ever imagine and I can't help but be more upset and angered by their plights.

Yeah, but they aren't usually recorded for your amusement like this.

 

[Jiefu]

Now, this is the first topic I've actually decided to start myself so bear with me on this. Watching the massive outburst of anger on most forums in regards to the video of the teenage girl throwing puppies in the river, I immediately started thinking one thing.

"Do people have any idea how many HUMAN BEINGS die every day for no good reason?"

Now allow me to explain that. I just can't get my head around the amount of outrage that this has caused. Yes, it's a sick act and I'd just as happily throw the girl into a river herself, but is it really -that- big a news story that some puppies got killed? Thousands drown in floods in some hellhole and it barely raises any eyebrows, but a girl throwing puppies in the river and everyone's greasing up the sniper rifles for a takedown. It's not the first time this has happened either (US Marine throws puppy off cliff-video, for example), so for added discussion value I'm going to ask...

Why does something like cute puppies being hurt merit such a strong response from people, while simultaneous human suffering elsewhere seems to go unnoticed? Or is it just me being a cynic, to begin with? Now discuss!

People are disgusted by the sheer, unmitigated malice of this act. The puppies are clearly very young, and thus completely unable to defend themselves. However, left on their own, they would likely not have fallen into a river and died. In contrast, many of the human lives lost that you mention are not due to such malevolence. Children in Africa don't die because someone goes over and steals their food and then punches them in the nose for added cruelty; they die due to pathogens attacking their compromised immune systems. It is the nature of diseases to cause suffering; no one should be surprised when they do. People seem to feel, however, that it is not, or at least should not, be the nature of human beings to cause suffering.

 

[the December King]

Hopefully this hasn't already been ninja'd -


I understand most of the internet is white and middle-class, so this post might come as a shock to some of you but - Drowning kittens/puppies is quite normal. (Throwing them into a river like shot-puts however, is not.)

I've lived in both a middle-class greater London area where this is a massive monstrosity and a rural southern-French area where this is a normal occurrence. Not everywhere has veterinarians who can 'look after' animals or shelters that can home them for free - And because of that, when you're living in a rural area and you're surrounded by twelve cats/dogs with another litter on the way, sadly, you have to kill the new ones on the way, usually by drowning/'tapping' on the head.


Let's not judge this girl for what she did, but for how she did it.


And before someone calls me some sort of monster, I am against having to do this - most people are - but there is no other choice in these areas.

[small] and because my step-dad recently had to drown kittens. [/small]

You could always just not have pets, if you're expecting to have to 'tap' a bunch of kittens on the head later on. A little foresight, less killing. Also, spaying and neutering can save on needless tapping. You owe it to your pet- it is a responsibility.