One Love Manchester, the most important modern concert in the UK?

[Bob_McMillan]

When did I say this reflects all gay people?

You didn't; instead, you made generalised comments about what "gay people" were doing in the wake of the attack.

I don't seem many gay people wanting to actually act to stop the belief causing these attacks, do you?

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/tours/piers-morgan-backtracks-on-his-ariana-grande-comments-claims-he-misjudged-her/news-story/1440ee3762f2892bf4df2ee1c3fa79d0

Piers Morgan apologised to someone. Really.

P.S. probably a more controversial thing, but I honeslty think Ariana and the organisers deserve recognition of some kind. MBE? They did raise 10 million.

She's American, so she can't get one.

It just seemed like the usual "Let's not do anything whilst more people die, but, oh btw, atleast we're not racist" sort of thing to me.

I live in Orlando, and we're coming up to the year anniversary of Pulse.

So far, it's just been gay people wearing red shirts in Disneyland and talking about having sex with each other whilst families and children stand next to them.

I doubt this has done much to prevent another attack.

Prevent? No, but then it likely wasn't intended to, it was largely in part to say "they aren't winning", and hopefully to avoid the knee-jerk reaction that would help terrorism.

So... They aren't winning when they're able to consistently attack Europe and America?

They aren't winning when said terrorists can't spread terror to the masses, as this concert shows. People aren't scared, if anything, they're braver than ever. Having a concert just a week after one just got bombed shows a lot of courage.

It doesn't really mean anything tangible and it sounds cheesy as hell, but for people who can't do anything, this is the only thing they can do.

I live in the Philippines, and between some nutjob robbing a casino and setting himself on fire along with 37 other people and ISIS-linked terrorists taking over a town down south, people here are fucking scared. My parents were begging me to not go to any crowded places for awhile. Soldiers are being deployed in the classiest of neighborhoods. There's talk of Martial Law, which has people mistrusting the government and the government feeling under attack by all sides. The robber is dead and the town down south is steadily on it's way to being secure again, yet the fear remains. In that way, they won.

I find it very odd that we've just assigned the word terrorist to people and therefore decided that their goal is to cause terror.

In reality, it's not.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

They don't care what you think of them. They do not care if you are afraid. They don't care if you're not. They want to kill you, they don't care how you feel about this.

You "Standing up" to it means absolutely nothing to them. Hold all the events you want, hold hands, sing, do whatever you want. They don't care. They're not looking for any solution to this whole situation than the complete and total destruction of the west.

Fear causes restlessness among the population and loss of confidence on their own government. This creates exploitable fissures in the system that the terrorists can take advantage of, for more damaging attacks.

Besides, what did you want Ariana Grande to do instead?

Are you suggesting people shouldn't be restless and distrustful of governments that don't act to stop these attacks from happening? Any government that willingly allows this belief into their borders is at least partly to blame. The question as to why it's been allowed to exist when it represents a threat to us isn't one that should go unanswered.

She could use her platform to spread any message she wanted. A message of "We won't do anything, but, we're united against you, just like we were before you attacked us, and before you attacked that place, and that place, and that other place, and the place before that, and the place before that, and before that..."

Has this event increased people's "Unity" against Islamic attacks? We were not united after Paris? After Germany? After Orlando?

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/tours/piers-morgan-backtracks-on-his-ariana-grande-comments-claims-he-misjudged-her/news-story/1440ee3762f2892bf4df2ee1c3fa79d0

Piers Morgan apologised to someone. Really.

P.S. probably a more controversial thing, but I honeslty think Ariana and the organisers deserve recognition of some kind. MBE? They did raise 10 million.

She's American, so she can't get one.

It just seemed like the usual "Let's not do anything whilst more people die, but, oh btw, atleast we're not racist" sort of thing to me.

I live in Orlando, and we're coming up to the year anniversary of Pulse.

So far, it's just been gay people wearing red shirts in Disneyland and talking about having sex with each other whilst families and children stand next to them.

I doubt this has done much to prevent another attack.

Prevent? No, but then it likely wasn't intended to, it was largely in part to say "they aren't winning", and hopefully to avoid the knee-jerk reaction that would help terrorism.

So... They aren't winning when they're able to consistently attack Europe and America?

They aren't winning when said terrorists can't spread terror to the masses, as this concert shows. People aren't scared, if anything, they're braver than ever. Having a concert just a week after one just got bombed shows a lot of courage.

It doesn't really mean anything tangible and it sounds cheesy as hell, but for people who can't do anything, this is the only thing they can do.

I live in the Philippines, and between some nutjob robbing a casino and setting himself on fire along with 37 other people and ISIS-linked terrorists taking over a town down south, people here are fucking scared. My parents were begging me to not go to any crowded places for awhile. Soldiers are being deployed in the classiest of neighborhoods. There's talk of Martial Law, which has people mistrusting the government and the government feeling under attack by all sides. The robber is dead and the town down south is steadily on it's way to being secure again, yet the fear remains. In that way, they won.

I find it very odd that we've just assigned the word terrorist to people and therefore decided that their goal is to cause terror.

In reality, it's not.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

They don't care what you think of them. They do not care if you are afraid. They don't care if you're not. They want to kill you, they don't care how you feel about this.

You "Standing up" to it means absolutely nothing to them. Hold all the events you want, hold hands, sing, do whatever you want. They don't care. They're not looking for any solution to this whole situation than the complete and total destruction of the west.

It may not be their "real" goal to spread terror, but it's the only goal they will ever be able to accomplish, and I'm pretty sure deep dowm, somewhere in their brains where reason still exists, they know that too. A single terrorist organization taking on a country much less the whole world is mathematically impossible. Why else would they claim responsibility for every single violent incident that happens? Hell, they claimed that the casino robbery here was their doing, and now we know it most definitely was not. If they thought it would fool people they would claim responsibility for an earthquake.

Besides, who gives a fuck what they think. At most, things such as these concerts deny them the satisfaction of seeing a nation "reeling" (like the media is trying to spin it). Everyone knows these things won't change a damn thing about ISIS. But it brings people together, uniting everyone to show that you don't have to be scared and that life can go on as normal. This won't defeat ISIS, in fact it most likely will encourage more attacks, but at least some people can have a good time for a few hours after a week of sadness and grieving.

Just because they "Can't realistically achieve" their goals doesn't mean we should do nothing and just allow ourselves to be killed. We should fight tooth and nail against this ideology, they don't want to talk. They don't want to debate. They want blood, and given all our diplomatic options have run, I don't believe we should now just give up and accept the death of a "Small amount" of people.

(I wish I could snip but alas, I'm on mobile)

No one said about not doing anything. Last I heard a ton of people have already been arrested.

Most countries already fight terrorism. What are they supposed to do, fight terrorism more? If they could strike at ISIS in any significant way they wouldn't wait till a terrorist attack to do so. What are civilians gonna do, pay more taxes? Throwing more money at the problem won't help. Enlist in the army? Most aren't eligible, and the chance that you will actually have the chance to affect the war on terror is slim.

People just want to help in any way they can. It might not do much, but it's the thought that counts. It's the same as people who don't live in the UK sending prayers and thoughts to those affected in Manchester. Does nothing tangible, but maybe someone's day will be brighter.

 

[CaitSeith]

Fear causes restlessness among the population and loss of confidence on their own government. This creates exploitable fissures in the system that the terrorists can take advantage of, for more damaging attacks.

Are you suggesting people shouldn't be restless and distrustful of governments that don't act to stop these attacks from happening?

No, that's your own misinterpretation (and a really bad strawman).

Any government that willingly allows this belief into their borders is at least partly to blame. The question as to why it's been allowed to exist when it represents a threat to us isn't one that should go unanswered.

So, how do you determine if someone is a member of ISIS at the border? Because falling into paranoia and closing the borders isn't an option.

Besides, what did you want Ariana Grande to do instead?

She could use her platform to spread any message she wanted. A message of "We won't do anything, but, we're united against you, just like we were before you attacked us, and before you attacked that place, and that place, and that other place, and the place before that, and the place before that, and before that..."

Please, no sarcasms. Give a direct answer: what did you want Ariana Grande to do instead?

Has this event increased people's "Unity" against Islamic attacks? We were not united after Paris? After Germany? After Orlando?

Yep, and none of those places has collapsed due to fear, mistrust and sense of vulnerability.

 

[Silvanus]

Well, let's go with "Proven to work" then.

Has holding hands, wearing red shirts and claiming this "We weren't united after the past 50 terror attacks, but, this time we are!" stopped terror attacks?

No. You haven't actually answered my question and explained the actions you want taken, by the way. This is just deflection.

I live in Orlando, I see plenty, thank you.

Right. And you've drawn your conclusions because you don't just happen to see gay people advocating the same things you advocate?

Why would they be talking to you about it? Why on earth do you think you would know what these people believe, anyway? You've based this on absolutely fuck all, haven't you?

 

[FateBinds]

When did I say this reflects all gay people?

You didn't; instead, you made generalised comments about what "gay people" were doing in the wake of the attack.

I don't seem many gay people wanting to actually act to stop the belief causing these attacks, do you?

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/tours/piers-morgan-backtracks-on-his-ariana-grande-comments-claims-he-misjudged-her/news-story/1440ee3762f2892bf4df2ee1c3fa79d0

Piers Morgan apologised to someone. Really.

P.S. probably a more controversial thing, but I honeslty think Ariana and the organisers deserve recognition of some kind. MBE? They did raise 10 million.

She's American, so she can't get one.

It just seemed like the usual "Let's not do anything whilst more people die, but, oh btw, atleast we're not racist" sort of thing to me.

I live in Orlando, and we're coming up to the year anniversary of Pulse.

So far, it's just been gay people wearing red shirts in Disneyland and talking about having sex with each other whilst families and children stand next to them.

I doubt this has done much to prevent another attack.

Prevent? No, but then it likely wasn't intended to, it was largely in part to say "they aren't winning", and hopefully to avoid the knee-jerk reaction that would help terrorism.

So... They aren't winning when they're able to consistently attack Europe and America?

They aren't winning when said terrorists can't spread terror to the masses, as this concert shows. People aren't scared, if anything, they're braver than ever. Having a concert just a week after one just got bombed shows a lot of courage.

It doesn't really mean anything tangible and it sounds cheesy as hell, but for people who can't do anything, this is the only thing they can do.

I live in the Philippines, and between some nutjob robbing a casino and setting himself on fire along with 37 other people and ISIS-linked terrorists taking over a town down south, people here are fucking scared. My parents were begging me to not go to any crowded places for awhile. Soldiers are being deployed in the classiest of neighborhoods. There's talk of Martial Law, which has people mistrusting the government and the government feeling under attack by all sides. The robber is dead and the town down south is steadily on it's way to being secure again, yet the fear remains. In that way, they won.

I find it very odd that we've just assigned the word terrorist to people and therefore decided that their goal is to cause terror.

In reality, it's not.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

They don't care what you think of them. They do not care if you are afraid. They don't care if you're not. They want to kill you, they don't care how you feel about this.

You "Standing up" to it means absolutely nothing to them. Hold all the events you want, hold hands, sing, do whatever you want. They don't care. They're not looking for any solution to this whole situation than the complete and total destruction of the west.

Fear causes restlessness among the population and loss of confidence on their own government. This creates exploitable fissures in the system that the terrorists can take advantage of, for more damaging attacks.

Besides, what did you want Ariana Grande to do instead?

Are you suggesting people shouldn't be restless and distrustful of governments that don't act to stop these attacks from happening? Any government that willingly allows this belief into their borders is at least partly to blame. The question as to why it's been allowed to exist when it represents a threat to us isn't one that should go unanswered.

She could use her platform to spread any message she wanted. A message of "We won't do anything, but, we're united against you, just like we were before you attacked us, and before you attacked that place, and that place, and that other place, and the place before that, and the place before that, and before that..."

Has this event increased people's "Unity" against Islamic attacks? We were not united after Paris? After Germany? After Orlando?

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/tours/piers-morgan-backtracks-on-his-ariana-grande-comments-claims-he-misjudged-her/news-story/1440ee3762f2892bf4df2ee1c3fa79d0

Piers Morgan apologised to someone. Really.

P.S. probably a more controversial thing, but I honeslty think Ariana and the organisers deserve recognition of some kind. MBE? They did raise 10 million.

She's American, so she can't get one.

It just seemed like the usual "Let's not do anything whilst more people die, but, oh btw, atleast we're not racist" sort of thing to me.

I live in Orlando, and we're coming up to the year anniversary of Pulse.

So far, it's just been gay people wearing red shirts in Disneyland and talking about having sex with each other whilst families and children stand next to them.

I doubt this has done much to prevent another attack.

Prevent? No, but then it likely wasn't intended to, it was largely in part to say "they aren't winning", and hopefully to avoid the knee-jerk reaction that would help terrorism.

So... They aren't winning when they're able to consistently attack Europe and America?

They aren't winning when said terrorists can't spread terror to the masses, as this concert shows. People aren't scared, if anything, they're braver than ever. Having a concert just a week after one just got bombed shows a lot of courage.

It doesn't really mean anything tangible and it sounds cheesy as hell, but for people who can't do anything, this is the only thing they can do.

I live in the Philippines, and between some nutjob robbing a casino and setting himself on fire along with 37 other people and ISIS-linked terrorists taking over a town down south, people here are fucking scared. My parents were begging me to not go to any crowded places for awhile. Soldiers are being deployed in the classiest of neighborhoods. There's talk of Martial Law, which has people mistrusting the government and the government feeling under attack by all sides. The robber is dead and the town down south is steadily on it's way to being secure again, yet the fear remains. In that way, they won.

I find it very odd that we've just assigned the word terrorist to people and therefore decided that their goal is to cause terror.

In reality, it's not.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

They don't care what you think of them. They do not care if you are afraid. They don't care if you're not. They want to kill you, they don't care how you feel about this.

You "Standing up" to it means absolutely nothing to them. Hold all the events you want, hold hands, sing, do whatever you want. They don't care. They're not looking for any solution to this whole situation than the complete and total destruction of the west.

It may not be their "real" goal to spread terror, but it's the only goal they will ever be able to accomplish, and I'm pretty sure deep dowm, somewhere in their brains where reason still exists, they know that too. A single terrorist organization taking on a country much less the whole world is mathematically impossible. Why else would they claim responsibility for every single violent incident that happens? Hell, they claimed that the casino robbery here was their doing, and now we know it most definitely was not. If they thought it would fool people they would claim responsibility for an earthquake.

Besides, who gives a fuck what they think. At most, things such as these concerts deny them the satisfaction of seeing a nation "reeling" (like the media is trying to spin it). Everyone knows these things won't change a damn thing about ISIS. But it brings people together, uniting everyone to show that you don't have to be scared and that life can go on as normal. This won't defeat ISIS, in fact it most likely will encourage more attacks, but at least some people can have a good time for a few hours after a week of sadness and grieving.

Just because they "Can't realistically achieve" their goals doesn't mean we should do nothing and just allow ourselves to be killed. We should fight tooth and nail against this ideology, they don't want to talk. They don't want to debate. They want blood, and given all our diplomatic options have run, I don't believe we should now just give up and accept the death of a "Small amount" of people.

(I wish I could snip but alas, I'm on mobile)

No one said about not doing anything. Last I heard a ton of people have already been arrested.

Most countries already fight terrorism. What are they supposed to do, fight terrorism more? If they could strike at ISIS in any significant way they wouldn't wait till a terrorist attack to do so. What are civilians gonna do, pay more taxes? Throwing more money at the problem won't help. Enlist in the army? Most aren't eligible, and the chance that you will actually have the chance to affect the war on terror is slim.

People just want to help in any way they can. It might not do much, but it's the thought that counts. It's the same as people who don't live in the UK sending prayers and thoughts to those affected in Manchester. Does nothing tangible, but maybe someone's day will be brighter.

Holding hands and singing songs is nothing though.

Sure, people will be arrested, yet, when this happens again, once more it will be somebody "Known to police" just as with the past 20 or so attacks. It's not working.

Poland is a pretty good example of what to do. Their population has rejected Islam, and refused to accept any people with that belief.
Whilst countries around them are attacked and innocents die, they have had all of 0 islamic attacks. Clearly they are doing the right thing to prevent these things from happening.

At the very least, it's time for people to wake up and stop pretending like there isn't an issue of belief here. We have people who still refuse to accept that Islam and these attacks are linked, as if the past 100 people dying to that belief happened by accident.

If your idea of "Helping" is saying "Don't be sad, maybe innocent people won't be murdered in the name of Islam today", then you've already lost.

Fear causes restlessness among the population and loss of confidence on their own government. This creates exploitable fissures in the system that the terrorists can take advantage of, for more damaging attacks.

Are you suggesting people shouldn't be restless and distrustful of governments that don't act to stop these attacks from happening?

No, that's your own misinterpretation (and a really bad strawman).

Any government that willingly allows this belief into their borders is at least partly to blame. The question as to why it's been allowed to exist when it represents a threat to us isn't one that should go unanswered.

So, how do you determine if someone is a member of ISIS at the border? Because falling into paranoia and closing the borders isn't an option.

Besides, what did you want Ariana Grande to do instead?

She could use her platform to spread any message she wanted. A message of "We won't do anything, but, we're united against you, just like we were before you attacked us, and before you attacked that place, and that place, and that other place, and the place before that, and the place before that, and before that..."

Please, no sarcasms. Give a direct answer: what did you want Ariana Grande to do instead?

Has this event increased people's "Unity" against Islamic attacks? We were not united after Paris? After Germany? After Orlando?

Yep, and none of those places has collapsed due to fear, mistrust and sense of vulnerability.

So, people should be mistrustful of governments that aren't stopping islamic immigration given it's direct link to islamic terror?

Somebody being a member of islam is pretty obvious when they're from countries where they're killed for believing otherwise. Just don't let those people in that's what poland does. No terror attacks yet.

She should have used her platform to speak out against the ideology that killed her fans.

Would they collapse without Muslims? Do you have any sources for this claim?

Well, let's go with "Proven to work" then.

Has holding hands, wearing red shirts and claiming this "We weren't united after the past 50 terror attacks, but, this time we are!" stopped terror attacks?

No. You haven't actually answered my question and explained the actions you want taken, by the way. This is just deflection.

I live in Orlando, I see plenty, thank you.

Right. And you've drawn your conclusions because you don't just happen to see gay people advocating the same things you advocate?

Why would they be talking to you about it? Why on earth do you think you would know what these people believe, anyway? You've based this on absolutely fuck all, haven't you?

You haven't answered my question. Why should I answer yours?

What stops Muslim terror attacks?

That's the baseline I'm using. I think that's a fair basis.

The rest of your post is just you rambling about a strawman, as I'm not this strawman I'll just leave you to it.

 

[Catnip1024]

Gimmicky bullshit with far too much grand-standing and people trying to get their names out there. A proper response would be to just get the fuck on with your day and not make a fuss, at best redo the original gig for charity. And why fly in pricks like Justin Bieber when you can bring in that awesome local band that does cuban covers of pop songs?

I would also be interested to see where the charity money goes, because if that does get distributed abroad, that sets a bad precedent encouraging people to commit terrorist acts in the UK. Yah know.

Maybe it's because I wasn;t born when the first live aid was performed

Just as well, because that's considered racist and patronising now, apparently. Although they'll keep the money.

 

[Silvanus]

You haven't answered my question. Why should I answer yours?

What question? Your post contained precisely one question, which I directly answered.

What stops Muslim terror attacks?

That's the baseline I'm using. I think that's a fair basis.

Let's see: police-work and intelligence services, we know, have stopped a great number of them. Uhrm... well, lots of gay people support those things. Lots of all demographics do (except criminals, presumably).

The rest of your post is just you rambling about a strawman, as I'm not this strawman I'll just leave you to it.

I asked why you believe that if you don't see it happening, it therefore isn't happening. You responded that you live in Orlando, and "see plenty".

That rather clearly insinuates that you believe you see enough to draw the conclusions you've drawn.

 

[CaitSeith]

So, people should be mistrustful of governments that aren't stopping islamic immigration given it's direct link to islamic terror?

Should people be mistrustful of governments that aren't putting white people on jail given their direct link to Neo-Nazis? The answer for both is no. Stopping islamic immigration won't stop radical islamic terror. Or do radical islamics have an unique easily discernible trait that can't be disguised?

She should have used her platform to speak out against the ideology that killed her fans.

I agree that maybe there isn't enough people condemning ISIS; but as any successful attack improves the morale of radical islamists, these events of unity and empathy improves the morale of the community (something that the attacks hurt greatly).

Would they collapse without Muslims? Do you have any sources for this claim?

When did I make this claim? You pulled out the Muslims part out of thin air. I should had smelled this red herring a mile away!

 

[TakerFoxx]

It just seemed like the usual "Let's not do anything whilst more people die, but, oh btw, atleast we're not racist" sort of thing to me.

I live in Orlando, and we're coming up to the year anniversary of Pulse.

So far, it's just been gay people wearing red shirts in Disneyland and talking about having sex with each other whilst families and children stand next to them.

I doubt this has done much to prevent another attack.

Ariana Grande does not have the power to prevent terrorist attacks; no entertainer does. That's the job of politicians, the military, the police, etc. What she can do is raise money and show support for those who were hurt in the terrorist attack on her concert, which she is. Everyone's got their part to play. For some it's combating armed militants, for others it trying to uncover terrorist plots and stop them before it happens, for others it's to negotiate deals, treaties, and policies that attack the root cause of terrorism, and still others it's to support and encourage those hurt by terrorism.

 

[Whitbane]

As long as the funds raised make it to the victims of the attack, I'm fine with it.

There's always a bad habit of these things having money skimmed off the top.

 

[Frankster]

It just seemed like the usual "Let's not do anything whilst more people die, but, oh btw, atleast we're not racist" sort of thing to me.

This.

What are we going to do for the next attack? Have another concert, which will then be the new most important concert in the uk?

I don't know, i just can't share OP's optimism and the "don't let hate win rhetoric" just makes my eyes roll because it seems like such a brainless mantra we are repeating for our own peace of mind but has 0 substance.

I'd say the second we started having more armed police in the uk and the friggin army deployed in london (not because it actually does anything, but just to reassure the public through a display of military power), we can't really pretend that things carried on as normal. Having people still pretend all is fine and dandy just reminds me of that iraqui propaganda minister who kept insisted all was fine and that the public shouldn't panic or listen to foreign spread lies even as the coalition troops was just miles away.

 

[Anti-American Eagle]

I'm surprised this one wasn't exploded as well.

 

[JUMBO PALACE]

There's a couple real bitter folks in this thread I feel bad for.

Jesus Christ, is it really the end of the world for people to do something that just makes them feel better following a tragedy? People have died, families have been destroyed. Do real, concrete actions need to be taken to stop terrorism? Yes, of course yes; but there's no harm in people coming together to raise money, lift spirits, and help repair the community. But no, everyone should wallow in fucking despair until terrorism has been stopped completely. Because the average performer and citizen have the ability to bring that about.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

It's a nice concert and a nice gesture. It naturally has zero power to "stop terrorism", but that really wasn't the point.

As to the central debate in this thread...not sure if you guys are slow learners or what, but I'd call it a day. It's pretty evident the mindset you're dealing with, and you're not going to make any headway there.

 

[Baffle]

why fly in pricks like Justin Bieber when you can bring in that awesome local band that does cuban covers of pop songs?

Because benefit concerts need to make money in order to benefit anyone. The Cuban guys are probably great, but I don't imagine they pull in a massive crowd - sounds niche.

OT: I didn't see it, but I'm glad they did it. I'm not sure anyone suggested it would cure terrorism, but it would've given some youngsters, some of whom could do with it, a really nice day out.

 

[Tsun Tzu]

Glad it made people feel all right until the inevitable next one, I guess...which took all of a night, didn't it?

London though, so I guess it's totally different.

It's just going to be this for the foreseeable future, isn't it.

I'm both surprised and thankful that the terror cells in the area didn't exploit this gathering though, because...

I'm surprised this one wasn't exploded as well.

Frankly, from a cold, hard perspective, if I were those assholes, that's exactly what I would have done.

Hell, all they'd have needed to do was blow something up a few blocks away or elsewhere in the city. Would have halted the concert due to safety concerns.

 

[Erttheking]

Glad to see so many people criticizing the people closest to the victims of the attack for not responding in the way they wanted. Fucking classy.

My heart goes out to those people who are still hurting.

 

[rosac]

There's a couple real bitter folks in this thread I feel bad for.

Jesus Christ, is it really the end of the world for people to do something that just makes them feel better following a tragedy? People have died, families have been destroyed. Do real, concrete actions need to be taken to stop terrorism? Yes, of course yes; but there's no harm in people coming together to raise money, lift spirits, and help repair the community. But no, everyone should wallow in fucking despair until terrorism has been stopped completely. Because the average performer and citizen have the ability to bring that about.

It's a nice concert and a nice gesture. It naturally has zero power to "stop terrorism", but that really wasn't the point.

As to the central debate in this thread...not sure if you guys are slow learners or what, but I'd call it a day. It's pretty evident the mindset you're dealing with, and you're not going to make any headway there.

Thank you.

I think people are misinterpreting the reason for the concert - it's not a political movement, it's trying to help people enjoy themselves and prevent the spread of terror/fear. It's about lifting spirits because the only people who can prevent such attacks realistically is the government. I'm aware the music isn't too everyone's taste, but nevertheless the performers are there for a good cause and are some of the biggest names in the world right now.

 

[Battenberg]

I wouldn't describe it as "the most important modern concert" but it's certainly part of a generally excellent response from the UK in the face of meaningless violence. I haven't had much faith in this country the last few years but seeing so many people making such an effort to help and be positive (as well as so few foolishly blaming a whole religion and spewing hate speech) has given me some real pride in my nationality. Hopefully one day we'll extend this same level of support to other countries (besides the western world) when they face similar tragedies.

On a side note there's a lot of people (most of whom should know better) engaging a certain poster whose account is less than 24 hours old and who is making nonsensical and argumentative posts here. Perhaps rather than creating another forum "celebrity" we could just starve this particular fire of oxygen before it begins?

 

[MrCalavera_v1legacy]

No, it's just a concert. But if it raises some money for charity, or makes people feel less shitty, that's a good thing.

No sense in bitching about it, since it's not Ariana Grande's job to fight terrorism.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

If the only thing this does is help smooth some frayed nerves or help mend a fractured soul then as far as I am concerned it has served a noble purpose.


You wanna have a dialogue about stopping the terrorists, then start with Andrew Parker and Alex Younger.