Really? I mean, I haven't set foot in one in nearly a decade, but the last time I was, they were charging like 150% of the other places for similar apparel.
Safaia said:
How about making women's shirt that actually fit most women?
That is ridiculous. They should AT LEAST be providing for girls the same designs as us guys get. What they're writing on the shirts just seems stupid, I personally wouldn't want to walk around with a girl with those one her shirt.
If this was a chain store at the mall, and they only carried superhero shirts in men's cuts, I'd consider it unfortunate but not surprising. (I'd be more understanding if women's shirts were available but simply not kept in stock.) But the gift shop smack in the middle of Universal Studios? This should be the best place, short of a convention or the internet, to find this sort of stuff.
The available options really do add insult to injury. I suspect they don't sell well and that's used as evidence against offering women's clothing there.
Oh yeah?
I feel with you since I can't get a single My Little Pony shirt from that store in my vicinity because it is only women sizes. I know, the internet. But why can't a grown man wear Rarity on his chest?
You shut up, brony haters. This is about principles.
Eh, it's probably the fact that popular culture is about 5 years behind here. Just recently, our local Anons decided "hey, we should totally become internet activists!".
So I'll tell you again in 2016.
Blame American Apparel, which is notorious for running small. I have to have all XL shirts too, for the same reason. It's a troublesome tradeoff - AA make high-quality shirts, but they run small. So we can either get shirts that you can basically see through (not ideal for ladies), or ones that aren't boob-friendly.
How about making women's shirt that actually fit most women? Yeah sometimes they have baby doll stuff available but they seem to cater to women with a flat chest. As someone with a very unflat chest I usually have to default to men's shirts because the women's don't fit. Your point still stands Susan and I agree but when they do print it's not likely they know that women have curves.
My wife will sympathise with that. She's at least as geeky as I am (plays more videogames than me, too) and there's not much apart from good stuff from shirt.woot that fits her. She can't stand wearing men's sizes because they make any woman with anything resembling a bust appear much larger than she really is, and hardly any place carries women's cut shirts in both the styles she wants and the sizes that fit. I know how hard it is just finding things that fit me, and I know that comparatively I have it easy. Let's hope more companies start listening.
This inspires me to make a shirt covered with power tools, explosions, meat, beer, race cars and hairy punching fist motifs. It will be engineered so that it's girl-only. When a man tries to wear it, it will self-destruct.
Thanks for making this point Susan. My wife and I were just having a discussion over the fact that there are so many nerd things in clothes that aren't geared to women. The nerdiest it gets, is this time of year, when the market explodes with comic outfits for women that make them look like sluts. Not that there is necessarily anything wrong with that, but it's a bit of a shame that this is the only time there is a market towards clothes that express women's inner nerd and not even in a really creative way.
Seriously? I'm a Harry Potter Fangirl (not the annoying type though-I respect one's opinion if they hate it) and I would NEVER wear that.
It's a bit fucked up that the few shirts they have act as if women only read comics to impress their friends. So, if I wanted to get a Gears of War T-shirt, I'd have to get one that said "My boyfriend protects me from the locust!"?
IN a quick defence of the "Girls Night Out" shirt, I think that's fair enough. There's a male equivalent which has the Avengers charging forward that says "Lads Night Out". I know, I have it =)
But still, it does shock me that there isn't that much space devoted to girls stuff. Even if males are the target market, there's at least a sort of retro appeal to wearing geek t-shirts amongst the populace, you'd think it'd make sense to stock more than three different shirts.
Sometimes art needs to stop imitating life, no? Unfortunately, art-for-profit doesn't lend itself to making changes. Society has stereotypical views and expectations, and merchandise is meant to capitalize on that rather than challenge it.
It's going to take an artistic body with more integrity than Disney to take any risks, unfortunately. When we finally have artists who create female heroes with the same variety of body shapes and sizes as they do male heroes (and not always have the "ugly" ones be villains) we might start getting somewhere. When we have female heroes who doesn't have to be unattractive in order to not be sexualized, we'll have come even further.
Right, I got that -- but Disney owns Marvel at this point, so wouldn't any changes (particularly with merchandise) need to come from them? I lost a lot of faith in the future of Marvel after that acquisition, so maybe I'm just putting too much blame on Disney.
Sometimes art needs to stop imitating life, no? Unfortunately, art-for-profit doesn't lend itself to making changes. Society has stereotypical views and expectations, and merchandise is meant to capitalize on that rather than challenge it.
It's going to take an artistic body with more integrity than Disney to take any risks, unfortunately. When we finally have artists who create female heroes with the same variety of body shapes and sizes as they do male heroes (and not always have the "ugly" ones be villains) we might start getting somewhere. When we have female heroes who doesn't have to be unattractive in order to not be sexualized, we'll have come even further.
Right, I got that -- but Disney owns Marvel at this point, so wouldn't any changes (particularly with merchandise) need to come from them? I lost a lot of faith in the future of Marvel after that acquisition, so maybe I'm just putting too much blame on Disney.
Oh, I see what you mean. Hmmm...that's a really good question. Disney is really good about creating stuff for girls, though it's more "appropriate," if you know what I mean.
I dunno, the one near me sells graphic/nerdy tees (ie. Batman, Adventure Time, etc) for upwards of $20, when they have the same exact shirts in other stores like Old Navy or Walmart for like $10.
but of course, places like Old Navy and Walmart are for all the happy-go-lucky conformists
That doesnt really surprise me that they sell a lot of the same stuff as walmart and old navy. Most of their nerdy tees are really shit quality that fall apart after a year. Also I thought it was the conformists that go to hot topic, the elderly and cheap that go to walmart, and the wana be preppies who go to old navy.
Im really not sure if I should be talking though since I end up buying most of my clothes from a tattoo shop.
Note: the following is a satire. S-A-T-I-R-E. although, whether or not the following statements are 100% accurate is up to you, the reader
no, see it goes:
Regulars at Hot Topic:
"lol, Batman shirt, I such a nerd"
"look, a messenger bag with a raven on it! and it's gender-neutral! just like me! this'll be perfect to carry my poems that express the hardships of being a middle-class white kid in the American suburbs and the evils of a Capitalistic society. and it's only $40? what a steal!"
"look at all those Justin Bieber wannabes, marching like zombies into Hollister..."
"SQUEEEEEE!!!! THAT SHIRT HAS A DINOSAUR ON IT!!! DINOSAURS ARE FOR THE WIN! this'll go great with those raccoon tails I just put in my hair! RAWR!!11"
Regulars at Walmart:
"say what you want, but the prices are pretty damn good..."
"FROZEN TACOS? AW CHRAHST, THEY'VE STARTED TAKIN' OVER THE FOODS INDUSTRY."
"good thing they have these scooters, or I'd have to start exercising! OOH, LITTLE DEBBIES."
"goddamn young people, with their video games, and rap music, and reliable news sources, and..."
Regulars at Old Navy:
"huh, khaki pants. I enjoy wearing those. and these are quite reasonably priced."
"neat, you can get 5 graphic tees for $15 while this sale is going on."
"this jacket is pretty cheap and comfortable. it's not a brand name or anything, but who cares? it's cheaper than the stuff at Hollister or Hot Topic..."
"Jesus Christ those dummies are fucking scary..."
honestly though, whoever invented Hot Topic is an evil genius. I like to think that the thought process behind Hot Topic went a little something like this:
"teenagers and adults who like to pretend like they're teenagers have always wanted to stick it to "the man" and be "different" and "nonconformist". so let's provide a store based all around that, but we charge whatever we want. see that $5 tote bag? slap a picture of GIR or Jack Skellington on it along with a sticker that says "made from recycled materials". that $5 tote bag just became a $30 tote bag."
Well i still occationally see girls enter gaming stores and had the staff assume they were shopping for their bf or just hit on them.
Heck i remember one time at gamesworkshop i was recruited to help a friend of mine kick the ass of anyone who gave her grief just cause she was both a girl and a warhammer player.
Heck we got a prize from the shop for that ^^
Oh, ha! That she should be proud of more than just her boyfriend, is what I meant. It took me a while to see how you were reading it, but I got there eventually.
Oh, I see what you mean. Hmmm...that's a really good question. Disney is really good about creating stuff for girls, though it's more "appropriate," if you know what I mean.
Hehe, you mean like a show about a girl who is only well-loved when she puts on makeup and a wig? Or all the movies about all the girls whose only motivation for going on character-building adventures is the love of a man? Or all the business practices that teach talented young girls to crave attention and trade on their looks before releasing them into adulthood without any support network?
(I'm done, I'm done... I just really do not like Disney, particularly its treatment of young women.)
As a sad fact, though, comic books may be one of the hardest places to insert progressive views on women. For decades, they've catered to the power fantasies of young nerds... and a large part of that has been the representation of women as "prize to be won" (even geek Peter Parker can get the hot chick!) or "life support for boobs," rather than "individual with an identity."
And I'm afraid as long as those guys remain a profitable market, there's little reason for change. We can, however, hope. And yell, kick, and scream.
Great article and I feel your pain, Susan.
I was on a geeky website trying to find female shirts. I think there was about 15 pages of ones for men and about 3/4 pages for women. Some of them are just vulgar and the sort of 'Hai boiz im a total nerd! I love batman cos marvel is my fave!!' shirts.
I've resorted to wearing boys shirts because they are so much cooler. I don't see why they can't do the same shirt on both male and female sizes?
it makes me feel uncomfortable wearing guys clothes, they're too big and make me look twice as fat. Plus the fact everyone seems to think I'm a raging lesbian...
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