Onlyfans Bans Porn..... sort of

[Bartholomew]

I like how they use the words "diversity" and "inclusion", there.

"Let me host my homemade porn on your platform!"
"No"
"So you're against diversity and inclusion, are you? Bigot!"

 

[Specter Von Baren]

I have to imagine that this was a situation where the people that run the day to day operations at OnlyFans were facing a no one situation. Not because of something like "the goodness of their hearts" but because it just seems like such an obviously stupid choice to make that the other choice had to have been at least just as bad. Like I'm imagining two groups arguing over whether this can work or not and the one that thought it would won the first fight but then after the backlash the other group was pointing at them and saying, "I told you so!" This is just bizarre.

 

[Avnger]

I like how they use the words "diversity" and "inclusion", there.

"Let me host my homemade porn on your platform!"
"No"
"So you're against diversity and inclusion, are you? Bigot!"

Houseman, "diverse" and "inclusion" were corporate buzzwords long before the alt-right decided to start their culture war.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

I think the problem the people have in terms of the male viewpoint on this is as follows: They see men laughing because these girls will "have to get a real job now" which is basically acting like sex work isn't real work. So people pile shit on this opinion that call it toxic and whatever opinion they want.

However while yes, sex work is real work, the majority of these girls on Onlyfans aren't doing sex work. They aren't porn stars, they aren't fucking strangers for money, nor are they fucking professionals for money. Very very few of them are even doing masturbatory acts on Onlyfans. Most of these girls are just modeling and/or doing cosplay which isn't sex work. Being sexy is not the same thing as sex work. And hell most of the "cosplay" is just a wig with thematic underwear on, or less. You can't just put on a blue wig and say you're doing a "Sexy Bulma" cosplay.

There is actual work in modeling for sure. But let's not pretend that working from home and dieting, is the same thing as busting your ass in construction or dealing with the bullshit of working in an office cubicle with 7 different bosses coming up to your every single day asking about a report you finished 6 hours ago that they haven't bothered to look for.

Combine that with the sheer level of these girls crying about losing their income on social media and people are just going to laugh at them. "Congrats girl you made $100k/month showing your tits and because you are stupid with money you have no savings and a huge overhead and you just lost your job. Time to fill out applications."

That's really what it is. There is a lack of sympathy for these people who've made shitloads of money for what appears to be very easy nothing work, and now they've gotten fired for lack of a better term. That's why people laugh about the WNBA players crying poor because the men make so much more money, when they are still making $200K/year for playing terrible basketball. When you are making way more than the average income of an entire family, nobody is going to give a shit when you lost your "easy-overpaying" job.

It's part of the reason people are mocking that Hassan dude at present because he's freaking out trying to pretend his $3 Million Hollywood house is totally vital to his survival.

There's a limit to how much sympathy people have for those earning vast amounts of money or who have been earning vast amounts of money for a while and are now crying poverty and pretending that in some cases they don't already have enough money to retire and live comfortably on for many years at probably above average standards of living.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

So with Onlyfans reversing decision can we acknowledge or address the following things at some point?

1) The BBC report finding illegal content on Onlyfans
2) The BBC and others finding people offering Escort services via Onlyfans (which would be a problem under anti solicitation and sex trafficking bills)
3) That maybe 1 & 2 played a part in the recent happenings.

I mean I know I'm only speculating here but has anyone considered that maybe there was a concern over Payment providers because of potentially illegal stuff going on and happening on Onlyfans that wasn't being deal with? So Onlyfans getting assurances over this stuff is a case of them trying to show they're dealing with that shit and getting payment providers to be OK with the changes being made and give them a chance to clean up heir act?

I like how they use the words "diversity" and "inclusion", there.

"Let me host my homemade porn on your platform!"
"No"
"So you're against diversity and inclusion, are you? Bigot!"

Wasn't it Ana Valens who wrote some piece for some publication about livestreaming Fall Guys with a Bluetooth anal vibrator tied to in game actions?
So yeh I wouldn't be surprised if there was potentially some pressure from certain groups.

 

[Gordon_4]

So with Onlyfans reversing decision can we acknowledge or address the following things at some point?

1) The BBC report finding illegal content on Onlyfans
2) The BBC and others finding people offering Escort services via Onlyfans (which would be a problem under anti solicitation and sex trafficking bills)
3) That maybe 1 & 2 played a part in the recent happenings.

Those matters will need to be referred to the relevant authorities for investigation. Which is what OnlyFans should have done the instant they found out about them.

 

[BrawlMan]

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[CriticalGaming]

Also one thing ive never figured out if why people will sub to something like onlyfans when pornhub exists.

At least with streamers you get a shoutout or something but onlyfans is non interactive so why?

 

[Cheetodust]

Also one thing ive never figured out if why people will sub to something like onlyfans when pornhub exists.

At least with streamers you get a shoutout or something but onlyfans is non interactive so why?

Same reason I buy albumsand merch rather than just stream on Spotify.

 

[CriticalGaming]

Same reason I buy albumsand merch rather than just stream on Spotify.

Yeah but that's actually physical product you're buying in that case. I don't think that's an equal comparison.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Yeah but that's actually physical product you're buying in that case. I don't think that's an equal comparison.

Have you looked up the compensation rates for Spotify? With all the rampant video theft on Pornhub, plus the fact that you can only pay with crypto, Onlyfans letting you use actual money and give it directly to a person (minus a cut) is a much better deal for creators.

I see this sort of sentiment a lot in gaming and anime circles, but it turns out that if you like something and want to see more of it, at some point you need to throw money at it.

 

[CriticalGaming]

Have you looked up the compensation rates for Spotify? With all the rampant video theft on Pornhub, plus the fact that you can only pay with crypto, Onlyfans letting you use actual money and give it directly to a person (minus a cut) is a much better deal for creators.

I see this sort of sentiment a lot in gaming and anime circles, but it turns out that if you like something and want to see more of it, at some point you need to throw money at it.

I just value my jack-off material that highly i guess.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

I just value my jack-off material that highly i guess.

...by using the free and frequently stolen material?

I"m not tracking the argument?

 

[Cheetodust]

Yeah but that's actually physical product you're buying in that case. I don't think that's an equal comparison.

Not if it's a digital album. I mostly buy albums from lesser known indie bands on band camp or directly from them. Or same reason I would subscribe to the patron for podcasts that I can get for free. When people create things I like I like to support them. It's not about "what's in it for me" because what's in it for me is the art I enjoy. I could get it for free if I wanted. Do you genuinely not understand giving money to creators to support them?

 

[Agema]

Not if it's a digital album. I mostly buy albums from lesser known indie bands on band camp or directly from them. Or same reason I would subscribe to the patron for podcasts that I can get for free. When people create things I like I like to support them. It's not about "what's in it for me" because what's in it for me is the art I enjoy. I could get it for free if I wanted. Do you genuinely not understand giving money to creators to support them?

I bought a couple of albums direct from an artist's website, and the artist signed them with a personalised thanks as well. It's a small thing I know, but it's a bit of value added.

 

[Terminal Blue]

1) The BBC report finding illegal content on Onlyfans
2) The BBC and others finding people offering Escort services via Onlyfans (which would be a problem under anti solicitation and sex trafficking bills)
3) That maybe 1 & 2 played a part in the recent happenings.

If you wanna go down that route, it's actually mostly Pornhub's fault.

Pornhub has been infamous for a really long time for hosting various forms of illegal and deeply unpleasant content, such as videos of sexual assaults and sex acts involving children. Pornhub itself was incredibly obstructive and slow about getting this content removed, because why wouldn't they be? It's in their interests to leave that stuff up for as long as possible.

The result was a massive public backlash. The New York Times reported on it, and Pornhub's parent company got sued by a group of women who had had videos of sexual assaults against them put there. The "anti-trafficking" (read: evangelical anti-sex-work) lobby got involved, and put pressure on credit card companies to do something about it. As a result of this Mastercard carried out its own investigation of Pornhub, which resulted in it, Visa and a bunch of other credit card companies cutting ties with Pornhub, meaning their cards could no longer be used there. Pornhub responded by removing all content by non-verified users and overhauling its (admittedly really terrible) review system, but the credit card companies didn't back down. Instead, Mastercard is moving to change their policies on adult content so that anyone appearing in that content must have their age, identity and consent verified by the banks which process card payments, which means that any bank allowing payment to sites that host user generated adult content will pretty much automatically be in violation.

That's why Onlyfans wants to ban adult content. They're frightened of ending up like pornhub and being cut off by credit card companies. They're a pretty small fish in the grand scheme of things, and weren't really a part of the conversation before, they're just pre-emptively panicking and making bad decisions as a result, but bad (or malicious) decisions are pretty much the name of the game here.

 

[Alienware]

 

[CriticalGaming]

...by using the free and frequently stolen material?

I"m not tracking the argument?

Somehow i doubt that people are buying OF prorn out of some morality against the poor pron companies.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Somehow i doubt that people are buying OF prorn out of some morality against the poor pron companies.

I never said they were? I'm seriously perplexed by your statement?

Like, "I value my video games, so I only play games given out for free or that I torrent, I don't know why people buy them on itch" is the vibe I'm getting

 

[Cheetodust]

Somehow i doubt that people are buying OF prorn out of some morality against the poor pron companies.

Not the argument anyone is making. The argument presented is "people buy their porn from OF, or using patreon or any other number of clips sites because the money goes (largely) to the content creator."

You're literally refusing to engage with this argument. Why?