repackaging what I said to somehow make try and make me look silly is the lamest, most unintelligent and unoriginal internet tactic deployed. When I first came to the escapist, I enjoyed an intelligent, well rounded forum. As time goes on, more and more ruiners find their way here.Demagogue said:
I've walked a mile in his shoes. It's called being a human being and choosing not to resort to drugs no matter what, lots of people do it just fine.martyrdrebel27 said:
chances are, it wasn't his first high of the night. He had probably been shooting up 10 minutes before, started nodding out as he shot the last one and was already too messed up to move, let alone pull the needle out. Its not uncommon for junkies to die with a needle in their arm actually. If it WAS his first needle of the night, we're looking at possible manslaughter. See, people who either middle-man will cut a piece for themself, and recut the heroin with somethinelsr, like ambien, thinking the mixture will simulate the feeling well enough, not realizing the combo of heroin and ambien will kill you. Shitty dealers will do this as well, trying to make an extra buck, not realizing or caring that they're killing people.hazydawn said:
that's such a small and myopic world view though. You can't honestly hink that because your life and your mind work that way that EVERYBODY else's does too. That's just not reality.Yuuki said:
Heroin overdoses can incapacitate the victim very quickly. I have had operations on my knees and I was put on a on demand morpholine drip. Just just press the button and you can feel it in seconds. Injecting straight into the veins spreads the drug very quickly around the body. He would have been unconscious very quickly.hazydawn said:
no, but REALITY supports my viewpoint. Nobody sits in elementary school and says "I wanna be a junkie when I grow up!" the fact that some people tragically turn to hard drug use proves that ita a coping method some people use. And for some people, who may have grown up in households where drug use is the norm, it doesn't seem out of place for them to do the same thing. For an example that is more palatable, look at how many people take up smoking because their parents do. Its the same thing, a drug used to sedate an anxious mind.Eri said:
Well that mentality could be used as an excuse to pardon crimes ("it's not his fault he's a rapist!"), but that's not how it works and criminals still face justice...well, the ones who get caught anyway. There's a right and a wrong here.martyrdrebel27 said:
I mean... You're not wrong, but.. The thing is, ugh, fuck it. I got a little overly defensive for sure, but I just hate how little is bothered to be understood about the mentality of addiction, with evidence showing that there may be a genetic disposition towards an addictive type personality. I'm less pissed now, definitely over reacted,.but personal connection to situations like these inform my opinion. I've known junkie idiots who died and I've known beautiful but lost people who died and both are viewed the same way, as a junkie waste, and that's just not the truth.Yuuki said:
Drug addiction is a mental disorder. Like any other disease, blaming the victim is not only absurd, but downright offensive. This is not to say that people suffering from this condition aren't responsible for their behavior, but it does mean that it isn't simply a question of choosing not to use. To be blunt: it's fucking hard. Falling off the wagon is quite common, and part of the healing process, and unfortunately, tragedies like this one happen.Yuuki said:
In order to suffer from the mental disorder known as "drug addiction", one must already be a drug addict to begin with. In order for drugs to fundamentally re-wire someone's brain to the point of severe addiction/dependency, they must first be consumed in by the person over a long enough period of time (or frequency).Roma said:
Not every person that uses a drug is going to become addiction. Lot of factors weigh in, such as, well, genetics. You might say nobody should ever use drugs, but you know what, people use alcohol, tobacco, coffee and other mind-altering drugs all the time, so the reasons to which some of it is okay and some of it is not aren't purely scientific. A lot of morality and politics go into it, not all of it very sensible.Yuuki said:
So you're saying that he screwed up his own life, yet you gave shit to another guy for saying that he has no sympathy for drug addicts? where's the logic in that? I don't see how you can enforce "don't judge anyone" (which is basically what you're saying here) by saying "fuck you" to a guy that has a different opinion..martyrdrebel27 said:
ugh, I was all nice and calmed down, then you gotta come along and rekindle the relationship. Okay, first, I never said it was his own fault, my problem was with the guy saying "I don't feel bad for drug addicts." that's such a broad and cold sentiment, you'd have to have cut off a part of your humanity to actually mean. Have someone you care about deal with this and honestly fight to do better, hen you'll understand. Without that experience, you're unable to understand, and even more upsetting, unwilling to try. I really am shocked to see how uncompassionate people are acting about people with drug problems.Grabehn said:
thank you, finally. Roma gets it. And is apparently much less prone to violent outbursts, so thanks again. Drug addiction really is a tough hung for certain types of people to comprehend. I think, ultimately it comes down to an individual's ability to empathize and their own personal experiences. They need not even have been a drug addict, just be able to relate and equate it to a more familiar equally destructive and cyclical behavior pattern. It like I told the mod who warned me, saying you don't have sympathy for a dead drug addict is just like in the 80's when people said they didn't feel bad for gay people who had aids, if they didn't want aids, they shouldn't have been gay. Plus... Its like Hitler! (it wouldn't be a proper internet debate without someone comparing the other to Hitler)Roma said:
