Our generation's racism

[Soods]

I think the good old racism is still healthy and kicking, here in Finland atleast (fifty miles north of Nowhere). People still use very offensive names, such as:

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Raghead for muslims
****** for the people with darker skin

In addition in the latest parliamentary election, the nationalistic party rose from ~5% to 19% making it the 2nd biggest party in our parliament (the biggest is 20.4%). Many of these new congressmen have then used the previosly mentioned names when referring to immigrants etc. I hope civilization reaches this backwater country before the next millennium.

 

[FunGuy155]

Since I live in Singapore, there is always a mix of Indians,Malays,Eurasians and Chinese,with the latter being the highest in percentage. We're brought up to the point where we pretty much joke about being racist. But enough of that, back on topic.
My gen will probably be bigoted towards homosexuals. Though I have no problem with it, I seem to run into instances where people around me truly think being gay is weird and people who are should be shunned upon. This might be because I'm around teens mostly. I even got myself saying the word gay as though it were an insult mostly due to the word being so loosely used around me,hence, I too have been corrupted. I'm not sure when it'll be before I see actual gays being shunned but really, I hope I never have to.
As for other races, I know teens will be ecstatic around them, but adults, I'm not sure. I'll find out in a couple years and see then.

 

[Kanova]

Yeah, I'm an American Indian, and I don't drink, do drugs, or get any special privileges. I also have have a college education, and am now attending graduate school. Nevertheless, keep it up with that old school racism, I'm sure the hatred will eat you up inside like a cancer. Also, thanks for the motivation.

I only get all hatreded when I think about how useless the ones I see are and how they get shit for free. And I only think about it when I drive by and see their new truck that they didn't do anything to get or when someone brings up racism.

 

[StBishop]

The religion does no such thing.

I think it's a little rich to assume that all Muslims are the same, and are all in the dark ages while complaining about bigotry.

I know a number of Muslims personally and I find them to be caring, respectful, regular people. Islam is not the problem here, extremism is.

Try getting a hold of a Qur'an translation some time. It's not full of hatred. Quite the opposite in fact.

I have one right next to me and it is one of the most disgusting things I have ever read(and dreadfully fucking boring). You are a liar and a islamophile. It's a fascist ideology that is both violent and corrupt too its core. I never claimed they are all like that but the ones who do support said part of islam are not exactly few in number either. They are far from a "small minorty of extremists". And they are stuck in the dark ages mentally. Ive known a few great people who were muslims but their numbers are underwhelming in comparison to the racist, homophobic, anti-semitic violent horde of muslims that are their opposite. Who cry persecution when in fact they are the criminals. The persecution of jews was non-existant in Sweden until recently. Now it's common practice in the southern muslim occupied parts of Sweden to spit, harass and violently assault jews on the streets with no action from law enforcement or government.

Sorry for the long time between posts. I had to sleep.

I don't appreciate being called a liar, we differ in opinion and that's allowed.

You obviously derive a very different meaning from the Qur'an than, well, anyone I've ever known.

I've never met an extremist personally so I can't comment on their frequency. We've obviously had vastly different experiences with Islam and I won't fault you for making assumptions based on your experiences. I just ask that, perhaps when travelling, you don't assume all Muslims act in the same way as the ones local to you do.

 

[StBishop]

Fat-people-ism would be my guess.

Implying it's a bad thing.

(I think I just proved your point.)

Ugh, hating religions is vulgar.

I can understand the intellectual distaste for organised religion, it is reasonable. But hating a person for what they believe is simply boorish.

Let's get off the emotional bent and approach this intellectually for a bit.

Islam is a religion, but it is closely tied with a certain political and cultural identity that most reasonable people in the West strongly oppose. Yes, even in my country which you gleefully deride, we are not keen on the appalling lack of gender equality in the Muslim World. In addition, their societies tend to be far more theocratic and dogmatic than those of the West. Some of their legal systems are stuck in the dark ages.

Before you write up a list of however many labels you can think of for me, I do believe that the Muslim world carried on the political inheritance of Greece and Rome while the European West was floundering in the post-classical dark age. However, the West took it back over by the middle of the last Millennium, and the Muslim world stagnated, still to this day. Non Muslims living in the Muslim world are far worse off than Muslims living in the West.

I prefer a strong West to keep the Muslim world in check. Not all societies are created equal. It's annoying that I have to say this, because it's obvious, but this belief has nothing to do with racism or religious bigotry.

So because there are countries who have a society you disagree with (no judgement either way because this isn't the important part) where Islam is the major religion, this makes Islam a problem? What about Muslims who are raised in western society who hold mostly western views on many of the things you dislike.

The religion is the same but the things you dislike are not. This would suggest that the religion is not the problem.

What I'm getting at is this; Islam isn't the problem with the 'Muslim world' as you term it. It's the societal views which, you're right, were probably informed on very old school values which came from religion, but America and the UK had old school values once upon a time too, the religion didn't stop social change. Religion isn't the problem here.

Personally, the current generation we live in is probably the most accepting there has ever been, I don't think that we are likely to have any sort of bias against people in the future. That being said, there are still people out there who are incredibly bigoted that are in our generation, but they will probably be the last of their kind.

That's kind of my point. Each generation is more accepting than the previous. So what will out descendants think we were bigoted about which they think is fine?

 

[StBishop]

Edit: Too many posts. =/

 

[idodo35]

probably like you said or possibly something new (maybie interplanetary relations?) but id like to believe that i will personally stay open minded to the stuff to come...

 

[lRookiel]

I'm English and I think we have a big racism problem over here, I enjoy some jokes but I have no real problem with any race because hating over skin colour is pointless really.

Religion on the other hand..... I have a BIG problem with some aspects of different religious beliefs for just being plain cruel (I won't say which ones).

 

[RustlessPotato]

Muslims. Seriously. This generation is fucking FILLED with hatred towards Muslims. The first thing anyone thinks of when they hear Muslims is 'EVIL BASTARDS!'. I am one of the exceptions because the first thing that pops into my mind when I hear Muslim is that something is evil and despicable but its not Muslims, its the stereotype that surrounds them. I think (and hope) that the next generation will look back on us and think 'What the fuck was their problem with Muslims?'. Seriously. Muslims aren't all bad people. The majority of them are good people. Saying a small group of Muslims reflects their people as a whole (in this case the small groups would be terrorists) is like saying Westboro reflects Christianity as a hole (although I know a lot of you think they do. But I don't think a small group of internet users who hate Christianity reflect on internet users as a whole. Ha, see how I spun that around?).

That is indeed true. But I have to say this though.

In my country (Belgium), there was recently a group of extremists called Sharia4Belgium that demanded that Sharia law was established in Belgium and at some point threatend with violence. After some more hatespeeches they were arrested I think. Because i don't involve myself in such sillyness, I didn't follow the story quite closely.

Every reasonably Muslim I knew automatically responded with: "yes but not all Muslims are like that. And when they want Sharia they want some values of Islam integrated in this society. You have to respect their beliefs." Which annoyed me, because when you're in another country and plan to live there you should live by that other country's standard. But moreso they gave me the impression that they would be kinda ok with Sharia being integrated.

my point is, I think the majority of the muslim world would better help themselves to publicly condemn those extremists, fight against them, show the world that they're not ok with extremists giving Islam a bad reputation. Instead of saying "we're not like them". Then do something about them.

This is coming from a guy whose had a stepdad for 8 years. Prayed 5 times a day, didn't eat porc. But kept his religion to himself and adapted into society.

 

[Elate]

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There's a pretty significant fat acceptance movement and some members are actually trying to equate the "oppression of larger peoples" with what happened to African Americans in the past.

I'm pretty sure that fat people weren't enslaved. Not to mention everything else which has happened to, well, all non-white ethnicities.

Fat acceptance movement!? Are you serious?

Last I checked being overweight was because you have little self control and a poor diet, not because you were born that way. What's next, bulimia acceptance movement? These people need help, not toleration.

 

[StBishop]

Ignoring the fact that "whites" wasn't ever a derogatory term. Yeah.
Not offended, just shocked that you'd use an out dated term.

EDIT: I realise that I'm overly touchy about racism, I grew up in the country and people there were not only much, much more racist than city folk, but they genuinely believed that there was no such thing as racism any more.

... That would seem to be an Aussie thing. Never seen anyone take issue with 'blacks' before.

I think it's more of a "me" thing. I tend to be rather fragile about racism. Especially subversive racism like "oh, they can't help being poor, it's not their fault" kind of stuff. Which is what I tend to see, so anything with an "us" "them" connotation rustles my Jimmies as when I normally encounter it there's very strong negative connotations. Particularly pity or judgement, especially unwarranted pity.

ie. Unemployed, parent funded, yuppie student living off of undeserved student benefits 'pitying' a guy who works two jobs so his kids can go to a good high school. Oh and this guy happens to be anything other than white. A white guy in the same situation is an "Aussie battler" or "Hard working".
It's not hatred, but it's just as harmful.

So yeah, it's not an Aussie thing so much as me being a little uptight because I've become cynical and see dickheadedness in innocent comments.

Ugh, hating religions is vulgar.

I can understand the intellectual distaste for organised religion, it is reasonable. But hating a person for what they believe is simply boorish.

Depends on what those beliefs are. I'd say it's reasonable to hate members of the WBC.

I certainly agree. I don't think it's reasonable to hate all Jews because a Jew once stole your TV (trying to avoid racist stereotypes). Or hating all Buddhists because a Buddhist family you lived near were all violent and obnoxious when you were growing up.

 

[Woodsey]

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Alright, well, it's really just a plural. "Not all blacks are racist, not all whites are racist."

 

[Patrick Buck]

Religon hating.
Thats the next thing coming. Won't be that much of a problem where I live, (In the country, in england) but I already know certain people who get really, irrationally angry over religon, and then damn everyone who belives in it.
He is an idiot.

Capatcha "Do more sit ups"
WHAT? NOT YOU TOO INTERNET. STOP JUDGING ME.

 

[LilithSlave]

But our generation still has racism....

 

[Lt._nefarious]

smartism where the general public are afraid of the intelligent and linuism where people discriminate against people whom have linux on there desktops...

 

[The Funslinger]

Ugh, hating religions is vulgar.

I can understand the intellectual distaste for organised religion, it is reasonable. But hating a person for what they believe is simply boorish.

I've actually seen people on this website brazenly state that if it were up to them, religion would be illegal (some people even suggesting gruesome punishment). Yeah, guys, you know what also crushed a religion with brutal oppression? The Holocaust. Being even handed about it doesn't make you any better. Yeah, yeah. Godwin's Law. I'm still right.

I've also seen people say the same of marriage, which rankles me even more. What, you think you have the right to take that away from everyone, just because you fail to see the point? Get off my planet.

I get that some people have to have the "edgy" opinion, but there are some freaking children on this website. Like the short sighted individuals who think outlawing guns will cure gun crime.

To get back on topic, though, while I feel religion has no place in logical and scientific decision making, it's got a lot of traditional and cultural value. Some of the history it represents is absolutely incredible, and religion definitely does help a lot of people find inner peace.

I'm an atheist, but come on, guys!

Captcha: ginned up

Not yet, but I'm working on it.

 

[Relish in Chaos]

Personally, I?m against religion in all its forms, but I dislike Islam the most because I?ve found it to be one of the most harmful, made even worse by the fact that it?s the second-largest religion. And I didn?t come to this conclusion via influence from the media or anything. I've had personal experience with Islam, because my mother?s a Muslim herself (who?s mentioned on one or two occasions that she thinks homosexuality is wrong and parents are meant to be a man and a woman) and, when I was younger, forced me to pray, fast at Ramadan, and learn Arabic and about Islam at the Islamic equivalent of a Sunday school. I?ve read the Qur?an and multiple other Islamic books too.

And yes, it is disgusting and horribly fascist propaganda. Just look at the state of the Islamic countries and fucking Sharia law. Not even the Red States are as bad as them. No, they?re not all terrorists and they?re not all misogynists. But most of them aren?t open-minded or remotely liberal either, and nonchalantly preach discrimination.

 

[zelda2fanboy]

Racism against Hispanic people and Mexican immigrants. It was big a few years ago and I don't think it ever goes away. I once got in the habit of reading a site of "serious" political editorials, only to eventually realize it was nothing but xenophobic rants about white privilege. I think all the anti-bullying campaign are actually drumming up more bullying than there might otherwise be, and that could develop into a social system of agreed-upon subjugation.

I can see transphobia being a problem, too. I'm about as open minded sexually as one can get, but I still think there's probably something at least slightly wrong with people who don't accept their own bodies. I don't think it affects me at all, of course, but there's always a slight sense of annoyance when someone asks to be called by a special name or different gender identity just because he/she feels like it. Can't you just be a boy who likes to wear women's clothes? Or a girl who likes to behave "manly?" Why do we have to change your name (or worse, have painful life threatening surgery) in order to fully "accept" what you think you are? Like I said, minor annoyances. I wouldn't in real life discriminate against a person like that.

(Never pick a fight with a transvestite. Remind me of a line from that book Please Kill Me, something to the effect of "you have be a badass ready to defend yourself if you're a man in a dress.")

 

[Jodah]

My grandpa went in to a chocolate shop one time. After browsing for a bit he said he wanted a pound of those "****** toes" (chocolate covered Brazil nuts) the lady had a look of horror on her face and said "Sir! You can't say that!" My grandfather looked her straight in the eye and said "Miss, I'm 82 years old. At this point in my life, I don't give a damn who I offend. I served with niggers in the war and have no problem with them. When I was growing up people called me a dago and we called blacks niggers. That's how it was and I'm too damn old to change now."

Personally I think the whole politically correct thing is a load of crap. If you take offense from something someone says that is your problem. If you want to call me a fat, hillbilly, dago, piece of shit go for it. But you better not take offense when I say the same to you.

You know, normally I have a problem with the word '******' but thats usually because of the context it is used in and the hypocrisy that surrounds it. I mean, seriously, if someone isn't using a word offensively than don't take it offensively. If he said the word ****** but didn't mean it as a putdown than yes, maybe its a little insensitive but I really don't think any rational black person is really going to be offended by it. Not everything has to be sugar coated sweatness, I don't use the word ****** but if I was black and I did hear someone say it but wasn't trying to be offensive I wouldn't think anything of it. A word is just as much about the definition as the context it is used in. Hmm... I think I just came up with a pretty awesome quote.

That's pretty much how I was raised. In fact, when my mom got a new boss where she worked, he walked in one day and asked her "Do you mind if I swear around you?" she responded with "As long as it isn't at me you can say fuck all you want."

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

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So no, you don't have any credible sources to back up your wild claims.