Our generation's racism

[StBishop]

Quick Disclaimer, I've tried to be as inoffensive as possible here (don't want to insult someone's late granny or some such) but I can't catch everything. So yeah, sorry if anyone's offended.


So, some of us will have (or be familiar with the trope of) a racist elder relation.

You know the type.

My grandmother use to call me a porch monkey all the time, she also called a broken bottle a '****** knife' - Clerks 2

Or, "It's not racist, she's old"

Even sexism is still around in the same way, Bob Kelso of Scrubs anyone?

So, I think it's pretty clear that our generation aren't comfortable with homophobia and it'll be the people retiring now that will have some "Homophobic grandparents" in their cohort.

What do you think our generation will be bigoted about?

I think it'll be transphobia. I think I'm a pretty nice dude and It's something I have difficulty understanding which is pretty close to fear and blah blah. It's not a stretch (in my mind) to see people becoming more open about transgenderism (?) in pop culture or whatever and I can foresee a bunch of people (at least from rural towns like the one I grew up in) being openly against this.

So what do you think we need to be aware of for when we're old to avoid being wrinkly bigots?

 

[Suicidejim]

Oh God, my grandfather is terrible for that kind of thing (although, curiously, has always been incredibly fond of Islam, which almost puts him ahead of our time).

I reckon homophobia is going the same way as racism, where each generation is becoming less and less inclined to discrimination than the last, but I'm not really sure what 'phobia' will be an issue for our generation until it actually happens. It just depends on the kind of things that might become commonplace in future generations. Maybe they'll be the ones to remove the taboos surrounding necrophilia, or bestiality, at which point I can definitely imagine a large portion of the current generation getting angry about it. Transgender issues might become a similar problem too, although I think the current generation has already started to become a lot more tolerant about such matters. We might not have an issue with that particular subject in the future (I know I certainly wouldn't, although I'm also pretty open about the necrophilia one too if it comes to that, so perhaps I'm not a very accurate barometer of popular opinion).

 

[StBishop]

has always been incredibly fond of Islam, which almost puts him ahead of our time).

Now what is that meant to mean?

Some people aren't.

Some people are anti-theist in general and Islam has gotten a bad rap in pop culture and media since about (oh at a rough guess) 12th September 2001 onward.

I don't know. Though I think of myself as pretty open minded about people, many people in my school still hold the old-fashioned viewpoints of their parents. I'm not trying to act high and mighty (though it looks that way) but many people I know simply ape what their parents believe and never think for themselves, just look at the divide in Northern Ireland that still persists today despite the troubles being over for over a decade.

So yeah, I think homophobia will still be a reasonably big one (wheeeey) for a while.

I think transphobia will blow up once the trans people become louder. Many people are negative towards them but because they are such a minority it's never brought up. Once they push for more acceptance, then I believe is when we will see more of it out in the open.

I take it you're turning 18 this year (94 is in your name) so you'd be in high school in many countries?
High school is shit. Everyone (obviously there's an exception to every rule but...), everyone grows up once they hit the real world.
Most of your peers will end up making their own opinions on racism et cetera once they're out of home, and sure, some of them will keep the ones they inherited, but plenty of people grow out of that sort of thing.

 

[StBishop]

has always been incredibly fond of Islam, which almost puts him ahead of our time).

Now what is that meant to mean?

Some people aren't.

Some people are anti-theist in general and Islam has gotten a bad rap in pop culture and media since about (oh at a rough guess) 12th September 2001 onward.

Yes, but is he saying that we will grow to love Islam in the future? It's worded like that but I don't want to look like I'm putting words in his mouth.

Maybe stop hating is more the vibe that was intended.

I personally think Islam is great, but you know, what ever.

 

[Total LOLige]

has always been incredibly fond of Islam, which almost puts him ahead of our time).

Now what is that meant to mean?

Some people aren't.

Some people are anti-theist in general and Islam has gotten a bad rap in pop culture and media since about (oh at a rough guess) 12th September 2001 onward.

Yes, but is he saying that we will grow to love Islam in the future? It's worded like that but I don't want to look like I'm putting words in his mouth.

I think he means that his grandfather liked hating islam before everyone else.

 

[Suicidejim]

has always been incredibly fond of Islam, which almost puts him ahead of our time).

Now what is that meant to mean?

You haven't noticed any sort of anti-Islamic sentiments in the world these days? I've noticed, particularly in the US (presumably due to the influence of 9/11 among other things) that a very vocal portion of the population openly decries Islam as an evil and vile religion. The whole 'Muslims as terrorists' stereotype has become a very pervasive one in today's society. I know one girl who refuses to wear a headscarf because she doesn't want to be associated with all the negativity and prejudice surrounding Islam.

Of course, this, like other prejudices, seems to be lessening with each new generation (on both sides of the fence, since I know plenty of Muslims who acknowledge they are a lot more open-minded than their parents), but it still strikes me as a strong one in this day and age.

I simply found it amusing that my grandfather, who makes all kind of racist jokes at family occasions and once struck my aunt when she got a nose piercing on the basis that she "looked like a fucking Paki" admired the religion that seems to be today's controversial hot-button group.

 

[him over there]

has always been incredibly fond of Islam, which almost puts him ahead of our time).

Now what is that meant to mean?

Some people aren't.

Some people are anti-theist in general and Islam has gotten a bad rap in pop culture and media since about (oh at a rough guess) 12th September 2001 onward.

Yes, but is he saying that we will grow to love Islam in the future? It's worded like that but I don't want to look like I'm putting words in his mouth.

I think he means that his grandfather liked hating islam before everyone else.

I was going to make a hipster joke but stopped my self. And there is plenty of confirmation bias for everyone to feed off of regarding Islam, so it doesn't seem that far off.

 

[StBishop]

Ugh, hating religions is vulgar.

I can understand the intellectual distaste for organised religion, it is reasonable. But hating a person for what they believe is simply boorish.

 

[Total LOLige]

has always been incredibly fond of Islam, which almost puts him ahead of our time).

Now what is that meant to mean?

Some people aren't.

Some people are anti-theist in general and Islam has gotten a bad rap in pop culture and media since about (oh at a rough guess) 12th September 2001 onward.

Yes, but is he saying that we will grow to love Islam in the future? It's worded like that but I don't want to look like I'm putting words in his mouth.

I think he means that his grandfather liked hating islam before everyone else.

No he says he grandfather is fond of islam which means he is "ahead of our time".

I read it as him saying that his grandfather was fond of hating Islam, and I took the ahead of our time part to mean that his grandfather was doing it before the media.

 

[Suicidejim]

has always been incredibly fond of Islam, which almost puts him ahead of our time).

Now what is that meant to mean?

You haven't noticed any sort of anti-Islamic sentiments in the world these days? I've noticed, particularly in the US (presumably due to the influence of 9/11 among other things) that a very vocal portion of the population openly decries Islam as an evil and vile religion. The whole 'Muslims as terrorists' stereotype has become a very pervasive one in today's society. I know one girl who refuses to wear a headscarf because she doesn't want to be associated with all the negativity and prejudice surrounding Islam.

Of course, this, like other prejudices, seems to be lessening with each new generation (on both sides of the fence, since I know plenty of Muslims who acknowledge they are a lot more open-minded than their parents), but it still strikes me as a strong one in this day and age.

I simply found it amusing that my grandfather, who makes all kind of racist jokes at family occasions and once struck my aunt when she got a nose piercing on the basis that she "looked like a fucking Paki" admired the religion that seems to be today's controversial hot-button group.

So what you mean is we should be accepting of them? Love is a very strong word.

Alright, perhaps I didn't think over my wording too thoroughly (I'll be honest, I didn't think a minor aside in some brackets would end up being the source of so much confusion there). I wasn't really passing a judgement upon what we 'should' be doing. I didn't mean to imply that, by saying he was 'ahead of our time,' he was necessarily superior in that judgement, just more accepting. I do assume that, as long as the tensions between the West and Middle East don't boil over into WW3, acceptance of Islam is going to increase over time, thus he would be ahead of where we are now. I'm just judging from trends that I've noticed.

Sorry for all the confusion, people. My bad.

 

[Rowan93]

Robophobia.

Also, whatever you would call bigotry against cyborgs and gengineered people (the group category for those would be transhumans, but "transphobia" is taken by something completely different).

 

[XMark]

I think future generations will see this generation's gay jokes the same way we see minstrel shows of the past.

For sexuality in general, gay or straight, this generation will seem incredibly prudish.

Also, future generations will wonder why the heck this generation let religion play such a huge part in global politics and laws. I'm not saying religion will be gone, but there will certainly be more atheists and agnostics, and the separation of church and state will be much stronger than it is today.

 

[StBishop]

Ugh, hating religions is vulgar.

I can understand the intellectual distaste for organised religion, it is reasonable. But hating a person for what they believe is simply boorish.

Islam is an organized religion. What do you think people think of when someone says Islam? Pop tarts?

Let me elucidate (I like using that word).

I'm fine with people being against organised religions in general. That's understandable to me.

I have a problem with someone hating faith, beliefs, or specific religions.

 

[StBishop]

meh with the way people now use the word 'racism" in a few more generations it will be completely meaningless... the second you say you don't like anything younger people start screaming racism... it's like they stop teaching the definition of "race" in in biology class

I had someone call me a "racist" the other day because I said I didn't like fat people

There's a pretty significant fat acceptance movement and some members are actually trying to equate the "oppression of larger peoples" with what happened to African Americans in the past.

I'm pretty sure that fat people weren't enslaved. Not to mention everything else which has happened to, well, all non-white ethnicities.

 

[Mayhaps]

Ugh, hating religions is vulgar.

I can understand the intellectual distaste for organised religion, it is reasonable. But hating a person for what they believe is simply boorish.

Islam is an organized religion. What do you think people think of when someone says Islam? Pop tarts?

Let me elucidate (I like using that word).

I'm fine with people being against organised religions in general. That's understandable to me.

I have a problem with someone hating faith, beliefs, or specific religions.

How does that make sense, I'd say generalizing is the bad thing.
For example: I'm fine with kopimi, an orgranized religion, but I'm not fine with the Swedish Church, because they trick people into joining and making it a hassle to leave.

 

[Relish in Chaos]

My friend told me that when his sister told their nan and granddad she went to a gay bar, their granddad said, "You can't trust the sods; turn your back for five minutes...". Although apparently, he has two gay friends. Sounds similar to the racists' excuse of, "I'm not racist! I have black friends!"

Trans people are still a minority that aren?t talked about as much as minorities like homosexuals and black people, so when it blows up, they?ll probably be quite a bout of transphobia before it settles down again and they?re more accepted. Maybe, like how it's now acceptable for women to wear men's clothes like trousers, men will be able to walk out in public confidently wearing stockings and dresses without backlash. Then science and technology will improve to the point that trans people can fully switch to their preferred sex and become more integrated into society. At least, that?s the dream (the acceptance part, not the transphobia part).

There?ll probably be more violent anti-theism, as more and more people I know are becoming Atheists and rejecting outdated Theism.

Technophobia, when technology becomes more and more developed and we get machines doing shit for us (just like the films! ). Then they?ll rise up and kill us. Goddamn metallos!

Then, I dunno, we?ll discover actual alien life or whatever, and some of them might invade or just emigrate to Earth, becoming ?the new immigrants?, giving birth to alienophobia or whatever.

Discrimination will always exist in society, in whatever form towards whatever group of people (still, most likely minorities), because, as I?ve aforementioned, fear of the unknown/alien/foreign/differnet/incomprehensible is practically embedded into our human nature.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Our generation still manages to be regular racist and regular sexist.

 

[StBishop]

Ugh, hating religions is vulgar.

I can understand the intellectual distaste for organised religion, it is reasonable. But hating a person for what they believe is simply boorish.

Islam is an organized religion. What do you think people think of when someone says Islam? Pop tarts?

Let me elucidate (I like using that word).

I'm fine with people being against organised religions in general. That's understandable to me.

I have a problem with someone hating faith, beliefs, or specific religions.

How does that make sense, I'd say generalizing is the bad thing.
For example: I'm fine with kopimi, an orgranized religion, but I'm not fine with the Swedish Church, because they trick people into joining and making it a hassle to leave.

Yeah, there's a large number of people who have a problem with organised religion in general in the way that they don't appreciate tithing (collection plates) and I can imagine that to an outsider, my church service would appear a little creepy (people all talking in unison, praising someone who's not physically there).

What I dislike is that people who hold no animosity toward the Catholic Church or the Greek Orthodox Church turn and say that the Mormons of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is evil or whatever negative adjective they choose to use.

[...] minorities like homosexuals and blacks, [...]

Did you just say "blacks"? Really? Not "black people" or something slightly less inflammatory? On a thread discussing being racist?

Ok then. Maybe that's my hang up.

Then, I dunno, we?ll discover actual alien life or whatever, and some of them might invade or just emigrate to Earth, becoming ?the new immigrants?, giving birth to alienophobia or whatever.

Discrimination will always exist in society, in whatever form towards whatever group of people (still, most likely minorities), because, as I?ve aforementioned, fear of the unknown/alien/foreign/differnet/incomprehensible is practically embedded into our human nature.

I want Alien prejudice to be called Exophobia.

Let me elucidate (I like using that word).

I'm fine with people being against organised religions in general. That's understandable to me.

I have a problem with someone hating faith, beliefs, or specific religions.

Why? That doesn't make sense to me.

Why would it be wrong for someone to hate a violent religion that says you should die if you try to leave and not dislike one that is non-violent? Not using any specifics btw.

Ok that's a fair point. I suppose it just shows there's an exception to every rule.

 

[Relish in Chaos]

[...] minorities like homosexuals and blacks, [...]

Did you just say "blacks"? Really? Not "black people" or something slightly less inflammatory? On a thread discussing being racist?

Oh shit, sorry, I forgot. "Black people", I mean. Ironically, I'm black myself.

But would any of you have been offended if I said "whites"?

 

[StBishop]

[...] minorities like homosexuals and blacks, [...]

Did you just say "blacks"? Really? Not "black people" or something slightly less inflammatory? On a thread discussing being racist?

Oh shit, sorry, I forgot. "Black people", I mean. Ironically, I'm black myself.

But would any of you have been offended if I said "whites"?

Ignoring the fact that "whites" wasn't ever a derogatory term. Yeah.
Not offended, just shocked that you'd use an out dated term.

EDIT: I realise that I'm overly touchy about racism, I grew up in the country and people there were not only much, much more racist than city folk, but they genuinely believed that there was no such thing as racism any more.