Worgen said:
You lied about what I said regarding catholics, you've lied about catholics (sure they might have mostly been democrat in early 2016 but mostly voting for someone like trump and being pretty split in the mid terms)
I did not lie about what you said, I quoted you directly.
I did not lie about Catholics being Democrats. What I said was "There are more Catholic Democrats than there are Catholic Republicans." You're trying to dispute this by pointing to election results, suggesting Democrats can't vote for Trump, and totally ignoring independents altogether. It's not a good proxy variable for what party people are. If you want to argue that voting trends are more important than just stated party affiliation (which, due respect, you were doing for a while), you can do that. What you can't do is call me a liar for saying something true.
, you might not be wrong about engineers but all your data is outdated.
You care way too much about things being dated.
At any rate, I'm disappointed that you still haven't googled "engineers political affiliation" or anything remotely similar, or you would have found this source [http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/] that seems to prove me wrong, but does so by weighing engineering down with "software engineers," and we could have had a fun conversation about statistics and what actually counts as an "engineer". But we never got that far. (For the record, software engineering, if included, counts for at least a 3rd of all engineers, and because people like to talk up their jobs and software engineering lacks the licensing path of something like civil engineering, the number of people who identify themselves as "software engineers" could eclipse the entirety of traditional engineering in scope. And the way their overall data on engineers skews toward the extreme, it implies that their poll responses reflect that reality)
At any rate, still not a lie. My personal experience with the civil and mechanical engineering fields tells me those lean right, I'm honestly surprised that electrical engineers are more Democrat, but otherwise every piece of data I can find on the topic confirmed my personal understanding of engineers' politics.
And like, you didn't even have a single data-point to disagree with me, but you listed that as a lie. Sheesh!
Not to mention your conspiracy stuff about republicans not being the party that racists go to. Even ignoring their actually racist members like steve king, you would have to have your fingers in your ears not to hear all their dog whistles.
A) I have never said that racists don't go to the Republican Party. I've said they're not the party of racism, I've said Republican policies aren't racist, I've said Democrats lie about Republicans being racist to get more votes. I've never said the Republican Party doesn't have racist members. Unfortunately, that accusation is true. But it's still the Democrats fault.
Before the 60s, the Democrats were indisputably the party of racism. They defended slavery, they defended segregation, they stuck their toes into eugenics, they founded the KKK 3 times, that was the party of racism. In the 60s, they got their act together. They deserve credit for that, Kennedy likely deserves a lot of credit for that, Democrats changing their ways was a fantastic thing, don't get me wrong. But what wasn't the fantastic thing, and I blame Lyndon Johnson almost entirely for this, was the immediate turn to say "Republicans are the racists now, get 'em!" The moral thing to do would have been to say "now, there is no party for racists in America anymore", and gosh the Democrats didn't do that. They started a campaign to smear the Republican party as racists that continues to this day.
I hate the dogwhistle argument. It amazes me endlessly that Republicans can invent so many dogwhistles that only the left wing media can hear. Anyways, just taking for granted that racists lean Republican, ask yourself: what do you think is more likely to be driving racists toward the Republican party? A series of cryptic messages delivered by a variety of Republican politicians over the last 60 years designed to wink at racists and tell them that century old Republican economic policies are actually an elaborate cover for covert segregation, or Democratic politicians standing on street corners with bullhorns shouting "Democrats are the party of all minorities and Republicans are omni-bigots!"
