Pachter: "Nintendo Is Doomed"

scottxxxx667

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I dislike Pachter as he always claims that Nintendo is doomed at any given oppurtunity.

That said though, I disagree with Iwata on this, and think that it could cause problems in the long run. Nintendo, the forebearers of the disruption era of gaming (ie. Making games that are cheaper to make, cheaper to sell and have a broader appeal) are now ignoring that Apple is doing it to them. My DS hasn't been touched in almost a year (will be picking it back up for Pokemon though) and in the next couple of weeks the 3DS comes out; leaving me with a tough decision:
Do I spend $249 on a system with a sub 5hour battery life and games that will cost $40 or do I buy an $230 iPod touch where the games only cost $5. For me, as a customer, the best option isn't being clearly spelled out as Nintendo.

However, I also do believe that Iwata's comments do hold some worth: most iDevice games contain little content and thus hold little value. If I buy an iPod, I might get Angry birds, but nothing else will hold my interest, conversely, I REALLY want that Paper Mario 3DS game they showed off a while ago (However, to a new customer who doesn't have any bias, a game like that doesn't upset the power balance).

Overall I'd say that Nintendo's biggest problem isn't Apple, but itself. In the past all of their Portable devices have succeeded because they are customer oriented: they are cheap devices designed entirely around playing games in a portable environment. The 3DS is an outlier, it is exprensive (it's launching at the PSP's price for heaven's sake!) has a bunch of features that no one will care about (Many people who have played it lament that the 3D gives them headaches) and it has pathetic battery life. Nintendo shouldn't try to fight Apple, it should be trying to fight disinterest in its product. Mark my words: The 3DS will sell out at first, but after the buzz dies down (which it will, as the 3DS isn't customer oriented) it will not sell well at all.


Edit: Also, to all the people who say that Facebook/iPhone games are just "Cheap, gimmicky products" because we don't like them even though it is clear that they have mass appeal, I must ask: Haven't we seen this exact situtation before? The company that makes the product that the customers want wins, there are no exceptions.
 

Jkudo

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He said "long term". He isnt talking DS or wii. Nintendo isn't doomed but since they've made it clear that they are taking on apple, i think they are going to find it difficult to take people away from apple products. The ds sold a lot, but its a different market now. Casual market is different and they have a new handheld to compete for the core market. The 3ds will surely sell well, sell as much as the ds? I sincerely doubt it.
 

FungiGamer

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Sixcess said:
Why do you keep running stories about this guy? If I want to read ill-informed and erroneous opinions about gaming I can just visit the forums.
Or you could just watch Fox News, either way works
 

Icehearted

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teh_Canape said:
>Nintendo
>going bankrupt and dying

oh man, the I almost die laughing
Almost happened before, bub.


Iwata's starting to sound like Ken Kutaragi when the PS3 was announced. We saw how that turned out.
 

Jkudo

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scottxxxx667 said:
However, I also do believe that Iwata's comments do hold some worth: most iDevice games contain little content and thus hold little value. If I buy an iPod, I might get Angry birds, but nothing else will hold my interest, conversely, I REALLY want that Paper Mario 3DS game they showed off a while ago (However, to a new customer who doesn't have any bias, a game like that doesn't upset the power balance).

Overall I'd say that Nintendo's biggest problem isn't Apple, but itself. In the past all of their Portable devices have succeeded because they are customer oriented: they are cheap devices designed entirely around playing games in a portable environment. The 3DS is an outlier, it is exprensive (it's launching at the PSP's price for heaven's sake!) has a bunch of features that no one will care about (Many people who have played it lament that the 3D gives them headaches) and it has pathetic battery life. Nintendo shouldn't try to fight Apple, it should be trying to fight disinterest in its product. Mark my words: The 3DS will sell out at first, but after the buzz dies down (which it will, as the 3DS isn't customer oriented) it will not sell well at all.
I think the lack of content on mobile devices could change quite a bit over the next few years or even months...I agree with all the other stuff though.
 

teh_Canape

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Icehearted said:
Almost happened before, bub.


Iwata's starting to sound like Ken Kutaragi when the PS3 was announced. We saw how that turned out.
I know, basically the reason of what I posted

you just can't truly kill Nintendo XD
 

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Anything that Zynga makes or says should be automatically void.

OT: Social games are meh to me. Though its a good way casuals can at least pretend to be playing something.
 

JaredXE

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Who is this Pachter and why does The Escapist quote him so much?

Seriously, what does he do? I can make predictions too, doesn't mean I need articles about me.
 

Icehearted

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teh_Canape said:
Icehearted said:
Almost happened before, bub.


Iwata's starting to sound like Ken Kutaragi when the PS3 was announced. We saw how that turned out.
I know, basically the reason of what I posted

you just can't truly kill Nintendo XD
lol, yeah. you can only freeze it, smash it, and watch it re-congeal into something more menacing.
 

jawakiller

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Wait. Nintendo is criticizing casual games?! Nintendo is one to talk. Hell what was the Wii? A console created to play casual games. I have yet to play one game on the Wii that I can take seriously. Have you played Modern Warfare on the Wii? Absolute shit. Don't like being the devil's advocate but Wii needs to step up their consoles or stop trash-talking Farmville (which I think sucks but thats beyond the point).
 

teh_Canape

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Icehearted said:
teh_Canape said:
Icehearted said:
Almost happened before, bub.


Iwata's starting to sound like Ken Kutaragi when the PS3 was announced. We saw how that turned out.
I know, basically the reason of what I posted

you just can't truly kill Nintendo XD
lol, yeah. you can only freeze it, smash it, and watch it re-congeal into something more menacing.
though you tottally shouldn't feed it after midnight nor expose it to water

trust me
 

Antari

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Worgen said:
patcher is an idiot, we all know this
I don't know why he feels its nessisary that whenever someone says something stupid. He has to pipe up with an even dumber comment.
 

Generic_Dave

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Wait...what...the company who basically INTRODUCED casual gaming...does not think that casual gaming is viable...

Look, I have bashed the Wii in the past, and I am not really convinced it is a real gaming platform...BUT I will in no way argue its viability. So...Nintendo built a business model on a cheap console, loaded with mostly cheap (shovelware) games...so eh...be quiet Nintendo...

Generically,

Dave.
 

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The more I pay $10-15 for a PSN game, and the more I finish it after a few hours and say "eh, that was just okay," the less I am likely to do that again (I mean I'm even hesitating with Stacking)--and on topic, the more I agree with the president of Nintendo. I cannot speak for Facebook games, but this rash of mediocre $15 "indie" games will reach it's natural conclusion unless they become more fulfilling experiences. Right now, if you have $15 to spend on a game, you are usually better off with a discounted classic then a pretentious indie title, Braid and maybe Magicka excepted.
 

Unrulyhandbag

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teh_Canape said:
Icehearted said:
Almost happened before, bub.


Iwata's starting to sound like Ken Kutaragi when the PS3 was announced. We saw how that turned out.
I know, basically the reason of what I posted

you just can't truly kill Nintendo XD
Pah! Even big market dominating businesses can disappear over night thanks to stupid choices and turning a blind eye.

People said the same things about Sega 13 years ago "they've made some odd decisions and the heads are saying daft things about the industry but, you know, they pretty much have the market tied up and are making a really awesome new console." (try hitting up google, the terms bankrupt (or bust) and Sega aren't seen near each other between 95 and 99 and in 95 the whole market looked shaky.)

Two years later they shocked everyone by saying "oops! we seem to have misplaced the hardware 7/8ths of our business.." sure they aren't dead but they may as well have been until recently.
 

wammnebu

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Well, i trust Brian-SMAC_RoN-Reynolds, but this reminds me of that buisness 2.0 article i read as a kid called is nintendo playing the wrong game which was released about 2 years before the wii

nintendo is doomed thing isnt happening-though they might find themselves in PS3's position- a wanning console held up by their ardent fanboys