Painkiller Dev Can't See The Benefit of PS4 Over Gaming PC

[major_chaos]

Where the hell does this idea come from that you need to spend thousands of dollars on a rig?

Well for me it comes from spending just over 1K and many hours to build a PC that resembles the monolith, only for it to choke and die trying to max anything nice looking at a measly 1600x900.

OT: Oh yay PC Vs. Consoles round 138752. I almost wonder if the Escapist post these just because they know the flame wars generate hits

 

[Strazdas]

These industry people slamming the consoles have a point, sure, but they are also speaking from a bubble of total blindness to pricing structures, since they don't have to pay for their stuff themselves. Yes, The PS4 might be akin to a $800 PC, and you could get a monster PC for $1600 that would blow it out of the water, on paper.

But the reality is that the PS4 (and the new XBOX) will cost between $300 and $500, and its unified architecture means that developers will know exactly what kind of machine they're making their game for, resulting in some serious optimization. I mean these comments were bandied about when the X360 and the PS3 came out as well - they still sold 170 million units between them, and their software was impressive long after their hardware was all but obsolete.

more like PS4 will be hardly above to a PC that cost 600 dollars and likely sell at 600 dollars. PC is an investment. i know its hard to understand for generation of ADHD, but when you buy a PC you get your money back tenfold with games not costing way too much and being able to upgrade your PC as time goes by quite easily.

 

[BernardoOne]

Ok,thath made no sense at all. You are dreaming if you think you can buy a PC with the same performance as PS4 for 500$. Its simply not possible.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1171046
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/230946660497?

Alas, you were correct. You can't get a PC with the same perf. for $500.
It's $450.98 + shipping.
Takes under 3hrs for someone with no experience to build it all, or i'll do it for $20 if you want.
Bonus points for the 2tb HDD included in that deal. That's over 2000hrs of high definition porn, with room left over for every Mass Effect, Crysis, Ass Creed, Call of Duty and Battlefield made.

I have that exact same graphics card. Here's me playing Monster Hunter Tri while watching Yahtzee. (supplement your favorite PS2/GC/Wii game and porn in your head)

[http://imgur.com/9gmzwIa]

(I would personally use the $50 left from the $500 to buy a better power supply, just in case. Although if you've been playing on consoles, even the shittiest of PSUs will seem like it's lasted a long time. My power supply has a 7 year warranty. No idea what warranty's on my CPU - i've never heard of a dead i5-2500k that's not user broken)

Sorry brah, that is not even close to PS4 performance. Nice try though.

 

[HellbirdIV]

Console plebs like me like gaming on consoles. Simple as that. You can argue specs, prices, marketplaces, graphical capabilities and potential obsolescence all you want, but at the end of the day, me and a huge chunk of gamers just like sitting back with a console and gaming that way.

Which is ridiculous, because "sitting back with a console" isn't different in any way from "lying down with a laptop" or "sitting down by a PC" except in that it's way more inconvenient.

If you prefer playing with a TV - guess what, you can plug a PC into a TV these days with the magic of HDMI cables.

If you prefer using a gamepad controller - for one, God have mercy on your soul, and secondly, yeah, guess what? Those fit into PCs too.

If you prefer being able to "pick up and play" ... well, I hope you kept your N64 because that shit ain't happening on modern consoles. Functionally they are PCs, with the same limitations and then some extra ones added to it. It's equally possible to "pick up and play" - if not easier - on a regular PC.

 

[jcfrommars9]

I swear every single time this same thread has started up, all I can think of is this:

I still can't figure it though. Are all these 'industry people' actually just the most epic of trolls?

Or are they just brilliant marketers?

Couldn't agree with you more except I usually see less adults. I think these 'industry people' are both brilliant marketers and the most epic of trolls. Brilliant because they know with just a few words, they will get their ignorant public sniping at each other like little children. The most epic of trolls because they like sniping at each other like little children themselves. But really, I wish they would stop making these stupid comments. In the end, they don't help themselves or us.

 

[SonOfMethuselah]

Console plebs like me like gaming on consoles. Simple as that. You can argue specs, prices, marketplaces, graphical capabilities and potential obsolescence all you want, but at the end of the day, me and a huge chunk of gamers just like sitting back with a console and gaming that way.

Which is ridiculous, because "sitting back with a console" isn't different in any way from "lying down with a laptop" or "sitting down by a PC" except in that it's way more inconvenient.

If you prefer playing with a TV - guess what, you can plug a PC into a TV these days with the magic of HDMI cables.

If you prefer using a gamepad controller - for one, God have mercy on your soul, and secondly, yeah, guess what? Those fit into PCs too.

If you prefer being able to "pick up and play" ... well, I hope you kept your N64 because that shit ain't happening on modern consoles. Functionally they are PCs, with the same limitations and then some extra ones added to it. It's equally possible to "pick up and play" - if not easier - on a regular PC.

I do believe you misunderstood. When I said "sitting back," I was not referring to "sitting down." I meant it more along the lines of "sit back, relax... etc." I was not suggesting that "sitting back" is not something that can be done with a PC or a laptop, nor was I suggesting that computers cannot be plugged into TVs, nor was I suggesting that controllers are where my preference lies, nor even was I referring to the idea of "pick up and play." Your desire to lash out over a completely innocuous statement is unsettling to say the least.

When I said "sitting back with a console," I meant some gamers are always going to prefer gaming on consoles. Full-stop, that was it. There was no deeper meaning to the statement. I like console gaming because I like console gaming. I feel no need to justify my choice, it's just what I like to do. And there are many people who feel the same way. If you prefer gaming on PC, good on you, but don't attack me for my choice, and don't put words into my mouth.

This whole debate is boring. You like PCs, I like consoles. And I likely will be a console gamer until the console market collapses in on itself (which, considering the state it's in, is pretty likely). Deal with it.

 

[HellbirdIV]

When I said "sitting back with a console," I meant some gamers are always going to prefer gaming on consoles. Full-stop, that was it.

Except it's a really stupid thing to say.

 

[Shadow-Phoenix]

When I said "sitting back with a console," I meant some gamers are always going to prefer gaming on consoles. Full-stop, that was it.

Except it's a really stupid thing to say.

Except you really had nothing else to say apart from "it's a really stupid thing to say", meaning you intended to lash out at him in the first place.

I like console gaming the same as him for the same exact reasons and I also like some PC gaming but debates like this will never cease because it's obvious the PC side wants to bash in and force console users to conform to their suggestions rather than i don't know just leaving them alone.

 

[Yopaz]

I agree with him.

There are no benefits to get a console over a PC. A PC can do anything a console can and more.

However there's preference. Now this is why I don't choose solely based on power. I have a great gaming PC. I have all the current consoles. They all give me different experiences.

Let the flame bait drop. Let's not argue and let's chill a little.

 

[DoomyMcDoom]

All I know is that I've had one PS3 since launch, have never had to pay for any sort of upgrade, and can without a doubt say I can play any and every PS3 game. How many PC gamers can say that? Oh, and I've spent next to nothing compared to what "decent" PC rigs cost.

I have 2 question for you, one, did you pay $500-$600 or whatever the innitial price was, how many games do you have for it? and how much did they cost you?

Because, over that same time I've spent probably around $2500 on hardware and software combined, to be fair cost calculations for my hobby are reset as of the release of the PS3, I've built two gaming computers in that time, two entire systems, one of which is being used by a friend of mine(I left it and pretty much all I owned at the time with him and others when I moved across Canada back in august, if I hadn't moved I would still be using that computer).
I have so many games I can't even find time to play them all, if you look at my steam account and realise that all of that due to steam sales probably only put me back like $1300 tops(Over 400 games, if you wanna be lazy and not bother looking).

Now, I'm not saying console gaming is rubbish or anything, I mean, it's great if you game very occasionally, and only buy a couple games a year, but cost wise it actually runs you up a bigger bill over the years, than it does a PC gamer who doesn't let him/herself get dragged into the net of "Top of the line" components, for every video card that costs $500, there's one with only slightly lower performance statistics, that costs $100-$200, for every $500 motherboard, there's one that suits the purpose just fine for $30, just giving you an idea of what I mean.

If you buy an Xbox, to play halo on, and play cod on, maybe throw in some madden or whatever, and that's your thing, they cost less and take less understanding than pcs, they're your best option in that case.

My $400 PC runs farcry 3 on high... Oh, did I mention that it's running an integrated GPU? No? Well it is, I don't even have a graphics card in my computer, and it's doin' just fine runnin' games that were released oh so recently with good framerate, on high settings.

Computer gaming is changing, the price of a decent rig is waaaaay lower than it was 2-3 years ago, and even then you could build em cheap, seems the pricing model you're used to is dinosaur age bro.

 

[Valkrex]

PC pros:

More open platform
Many options for hardware
Superior graphics
Higher resolutions
Higher frame rate
Mods
A solid build can last a LONG time (5-6 years) before any upgrades are necessary

A console cycle is always 5-6 years so that should really be a wash if not a pro for the consoles (since not every PC build lasts that long).

Steam

What is the big advantage with Steam? I barely use it but what is it? Is it the sales, because the PSN store has those too.

They both have pros and cons, and many game on both. Can we just end this please?

No one party needs to feel superior for having the right opinion.

Okay, granted the Steam pro (and origin con) is rather subjective, and many PC gamers don't use Steam. I like it because I have all of my games in one digital library that I can access from any computer, very few hoops to jump through to play my games, the sales that happen literally every week, and a very well done community section with profiles, friends, stat-tracking, screenshots, etc.

And the point I was trying to make about 5-6 years is that a lot of non-PC gamers tend to believe that a PC needs to be upgraded every 7-8 months when some new card or processor comes out. Seeing, as you said, that 5-6 years is about as long as a console generation along with the modular nature of PC hardware, means that only one or two components actually need an upgrade. My latest upgrades were additional RAM, and a new graphics card. My CPU was top of the line when I acquired it, and still has a good 2-3 years left before an upgrade is absolutely necessary.

If you have a particularly strong build, then you may be able to wait even longer before requiring an upgrade.

The whole point about that post was that consoles and PC's both have pros and cons that largely cancel each other out to the point of not mattering, and no matter what platform you choose you will have a good gaming experience.

It was also to point out that the whole PC vs Console war is incredibly stupid and annoying, because in the end your choice of platform will be the best choice for you as it is subjective in many aspects.


I myself game on a PC, Xbox, and WiiU. I enjoy all three. I am glad the new systems are coming out as well. Better hardware = better games for all.

(to people who haven't seen my original post, check it out as i did my best to have Pc/console pros/cons listed fairly)