To make a more generalized hypothetical on why Pay-to-Win is bad even in cooperative games, imagine you and your friend are playing a coop campaign, such as Halo or maybe the new Zombies mode in the new CoD. However, your buddy paid money to get upgrades that significantly make it easier for him to fight the enemies, and as a result he completely overshadows you. You go to shoot someone, and your buddy snipes them from across the map. Sudden horde of enemies around the corner, you finish off your first and he's already killed the rest of them.Bindal said:Then let's the "insta-win"-button DLC. Use it and you instantly win. Must be totally fair because it's coop, right?Happyninja42 said:And yeah, I do think the "pay to win" argument is a little odd, considering it is a coop game.
It's the same logic - even in a Coop game, you NEED some resemblance of balance. And DLCs, for the most part, did have some balance as while you got some advantages, you also had some downsides. For example, the cavity 9mm - great concealment out of the box and good damage. But horrible ammo capacity and locked to semi-automatic (basically the only assault rifle in the entire game).
These skins? Straight up stat boosts at ZERO drawback.
Want one more concealment for you Judge? One of the two skins does that (The Pixel skin, specifically) Meaning just by using the skin, you're at the concealment cap while you weren't before. Which can make a HUGE difference.
One more damage? Can get you above a breakpoint to one-shot enemies you couldn't kill before.
Do you think that'd be fun to be completely overshadowed like that for hours at a time? I don't know that PayDay 2's Pay-to-Win elements are that extreme yet, but I do know that the game is already crushingly difficult on the higher scales, and if you're struggling and all the other people playing grabbed Pay-to-Win upgrades and are completely overshadowing everything you're doing, I know I'd have a much less enjoyable time.
Even worse if Overkill were to continue to raise the difficulty to compel more people to opt for the paid advantages in order to be relevant.