PC/Console gaming segregation

[LAGG]

I don't disagree, but when people start accusing things like Crysis 2 of being "dumbed down" because they put in keybindings for the nanosuit controls instead of making you open up the radial menu, I find it hard to sympathize. (And yes, that really happened too.)

What? That's some nonsense from whoever said that then, because Crysis has quick commands for all powers and specific usages:

- Double tap Sprint (holding Forward): start running/swiming with super speed, can be used to perform 20m super jumps by running towards inclined rocks on the floor.
- Double tap Back: activate super armor.
- Double tap Melee: perfrom melee attack with super strenght.
- Double tap Jump: perform super jump using super strenght, something around 7m high.
- Double tap Attack (while carrying props): throw it using super strenght, soldiers and aliens would die on impact and knock others out, explosive barrels I think would explode on impact, not sure about that can't really remember.
- Double tap Duck: activate invisibility.

 

[Weaver]

The rest of us could care less if a game is 30 FPS or not. Is it really affecting the gameplay or the gaming experience?

To me it does. Does that make me wrong or a whiny PC elitist now?

This argument is basically "30 FPS is okay for me" and others going "30 FPS is not okay to me" and both sides shouting that eachother is wrong. This is a subjective thing and people need to learn that no one side is right or wrong in their preferences.

To me, using a mouse, 30fps causes a very noticeable input lag as the mouse position is only polled every 33.33 repeating milliseconds. This is much lower than the OS polls at and I can "feel" the lag. Again, it's a subjective thing. Others can't. I won't go on a crusade about framerates because I just don't give a shit enough .

 

[Bombiz]

because they are the ones who continually harp on about being the "Master Race"

The only PC gamers I've seen call them selves "the master race" do it sarcastically or jokingly.

Secondly, it's nice and all that PC Gamers can play games at their "optimal" settings, but another thing they fail to realize is that a lot (and by a lot I mean a vast majority)

Optimal settings is dependent on the person and their hardware. for most optimal just means getting the game to run at an ok frame rate whether or not its at 30 or 60. Even if that means lowering their graphics settings.

The rest of us could care less if a game is 30 FPS or not. Is it really affecting the gameplay or the gaming experience?

For some people yes having a game run at 30 FPS is affecting their gameplay. for some it's stuttery and jagged and ruins immersion.

 

[Thr33X]

There's no need to elaborate anything. If for whatever reason YOU deem is unpleasing then it's YOUR choice on whether or not it's worth YOUR time. However, just because it's YOUR opinion doesn't take away the fact that it's a snobbish opinion, based on the fact that a game could be aesthetically excellent in terms of story, gameplay or a myriad of other factors, but you'd dismiss it on something as trivial as framerate.

The message is loud and clear...however...it labels you as snooty. It is what it is.

Good to know. My preference is trivial and yours is not. I will give in and shell out my money for stuff I won't ever play because it stutters for me. Should I also start shelling out money for games with a FoV below 90 and just live with the fact that I get headaches after less than 30 minutes in such games.

And on a similar note, I dislike the Miami Heat because I dislike LeBron James. Fantastic player, pathetic personality in MY opinion. This is of course MY opinion, and it's a trivial opinion at that, but it's mine and I take no offense to anyone saying that it is, especially if they're a die-hard Heat fan and sling as many adjectives at me as possible.

So we're in fact one and the same except that I don't give a crap what people think of my opinion, trivial or not. And this is the problem with a lot of PC Nazis, they want their opinion to be the "be all-end all", when it's not...and never will be. Stick to your guns, but at the same time understand that just as you have your opinion, others have their and sometimes...just sometimes...they might conflict with you own. Doesn't make you right or me wrong, but the substance of said opinion on the other hand if can be called out, will be called out. Thus, balance is maintained.

 

[Foolery]

I own a PS2, Gamecube, PS3, 360, Wii, 3DS, PSP, and PC. Come at me bro. Seriously, who gives a fuck. Play what you like on what you like. Right now I'm playing Final Fantasy XIV on PC, with a PS2 controller. Any X system is better than other X system argument is fucking retarded. They all have positive and negative aspects.

As for PC elitists, hey guess what? You know that year or two upgrade that people really haven't had to do since 2005? Yeah, you can thank consoles for that. Not everyone wants to own or build a 1000 dollar piece of gaming hardware. And trust me, 1000 is about the right price for a well built gaming PC.

 

[Thr33X]

The only PC gamers I've seen call them selves "the master race" do it sarcastically or jokingly.

That's a common mechanism there that PC Gamers use to defend other PC Gamers, the same way a console fanboy's gonna defend his ilk. When it's said 90% of the time I've seen it, it's not followed by the atypical LOLs or J/Ks to imply it's a joke. I assume we're mostly adults or mature here on Escapist to know a troll post or troll comment on YouTube when we see it. Sorry, but I'm not buying that for a million dollars.

Optimal settings is dependent on the person and their hardware. for most optimal just means getting the game to run at an ok frame rate whether or not its at 30 or 60. Even if that means lowering their graphics settings.

Subjective as this may be, to the ENTIRETY of console gamers, it's not an option that can be used, hence not of their concern, and realistically in the eyes of a console gamer who takes what's given to them pretty much, the whole issue with graphics and framerates and so on sounds ridiculous...it sounds ridiculous coming from console players who complain about it as well, so nobody should feel too sensitive about it.

For some people yes having a game run at 30 FPS is affecting their gameplay. for some it's stuttery and jagged and ruins immersion.

For some, immersion simply needs to be a game that's fun to play. So again, to the masses of console players out there who couldn't give a cat's meow about minute details in comparison to the totality of a full game, it's rather easy to see how that which you say, valid as it may be, can come off as being anal.

 

[Lightknight]

Yeah, stop picking on pc owners. Pick on people like me who has the consoles AND the pc. Sure, your insults may fall flat before reaching us on our tower of all games but it's really the principle of insulting us that should matter to you. We view you people as mere ants who know nothing of the next yard over. Now, I'm not going to say we're elitest, just that we're better than everyone else in every possible way. (Joke: This statement informing you that I'm joking is brought to you by Poe's Law and the letter "E")

 

[felbot]

but if it is a console thread then why the fuck would you post about your pc? even if they may have a pc it's still a console thread so what drove you to start posting about your pc?

Oh and for god sake... stop assuming every PC gamer is an elitist!

To be completely fair to the people who throw out those complaints, it's a little hard to stomach the "not-elitist" excuse when you turn around and see tons of forums flooding with people saying they refuse to buy a 2D platformer because it potentially runs at 30 FPS instead of 60. Not even a precision platformer like Super Meat Boy. It sucks that it might arbitrarily be locked because the development team just isn't that good with PC development, but 30 FPS is still perfectly playable on a PC.

a 2d platformer only running at 30 fps? well they damn well shouldn't give the devs any money they're absolutely incompetent.

 

[gnihton]

To be completely fair to the people who throw out those complaints, it's a little hard to stomach the "not-elitist" excuse when you turn around and see tons of forums flooding with people saying they refuse to buy a 2D platformer because it potentially runs at 30 FPS instead of 60. Not even a precision platformer like Super Meat Boy. It sucks that it might arbitrarily be locked because the development team just isn't that good with PC development, but 30 FPS is still perfectly playable on a PC.

Super Meat Boy isn't locked to 30fps, I'm 90% sure it's not even 30fps on xbox, since meat boy at 30fps just wouldn't work and I've played it on an xbox before.

 

[piinyouri]

I'm not a fan of the egoist comments from either side, however...

(I know this wasn't what you meant in the thread OP, but this is kind of related)
I'm certainly in favor of separating PC players and console players when it comes to online FPS's.
That shit will simply not be fun if you're the one with a controller in your hands

 

[shrekfan246]

To be completely fair to the people who throw out those complaints, it's a little hard to stomach the "not-elitist" excuse when you turn around and see tons of forums flooding with people saying they refuse to buy a 2D platformer because it potentially runs at 30 FPS instead of 60. Not even a precision platformer like Super Meat Boy. It sucks that it might arbitrarily be locked because the development team just isn't that good with PC development, but 30 FPS is still perfectly playable on a PC.

Super Meat Boy isn't locked to 30fps, I'm 90% sure it's not even 30fps on xbox, since meat boy at 30fps just wouldn't work and I've played it on an xbox before.

Admittedly my wording was poor, but that was my point. I meant that the game I was talking about wasn't even a precision platformer like Super Meat Boy is.

a 2d platformer only running at 30 fps? well they damn well shouldn't give the devs any money they're absolutely incompetent.

Well, 3D side-scrolling, to be more specific. But it's a Sega game, so I don't exactly know what people were expecting of the PC version.

 

[gnihton]

I don't disagree, but when people start accusing things like Crysis 2 of being "dumbed down" because they put in keybindings for the nanosuit controls instead of making you open up the radial menu, I find it hard to sympathize. (And yes, that really happened too.)

You're either remembering this wrong, or you're remembering the rambling of an idiot.

For one, hotkeys replacing radial menus is the opposite of dumbing down, and for two, the original Crysis had hotkeys for each suit mode anyway.

Now, the actual reason Crysis 2 was dumbed down is because they replaced 4 interesting suit modes with 2 crappy ones.

 

[Radoh]

The only PC gamers I've seen call them selves "the master race" do it sarcastically or jokingly.

That's a common mechanism there that PC Gamers use to defend other PC Gamers, the same way a console fanboy's gonna defend his ilk. When it's said 90% of the time I've seen it, it's not followed by the atypical LOLs or J/Ks to imply it's a joke. I assume we're mostly adults or mature here on Escapist to know a troll post or troll comment on YouTube when we see it. Sorry, but I'm not buying that for a million dollars.

Really? You need to see a lol or jk to know something's a joke?
So you honestly believe that people will, as you say, associate with Nazis completely straight faced when they're talking about video games? This is The Escapist, home of Zero Punctuation, the show that coined the phrase in a derisive manner. Do you seriously think that the people here are so stupid that they would see him mocking PC Elitists and say, "Yep, that's us!" proudly?

Oh wait, I get it, you really had me going there.
You yourself are pulling the same joke, enacting Godwin's Law as a farce to make fun of the joke of the Master Race.
You are a clever little duck, I'll give you that.

 

[Eve Charm]

To be fair the only place you really ever see these arguments is on Console message boards like gamefaqs and pc is an whole different beast then a console. It's as off topic as talking about your Iphone. While most pc gamers wouldn't call themselves the master race, the pc gamers that would go and troll a console message board are the type that would.

 

[Hero of Lime]

In recent years, it seems like the number of differences between consoles and PC are shrinking. Most console games get PC ports nowadays, PCs don't look leagues ahead of consoles in terms of graphics(I know someone will correct me on this, but I honestly cannot tell much of a difference.) Of course people will still fight over it, PS3 and 360 are very similar machines when you get down to it, yet we know how ugly a battle between those fanboy armies can get.

I like console and handheld gaming, I have nothing against PC gaming, but I really don't need it considering I have plenty of other gaming facets with multiple consoles. I just hate it when someone makes the statement that by playing on a console as opposed to a self built PC makes the person a casual gamer, that can be very annoying to hear. It's a rare thing to see, but once in a while I will see it said even on the Escapist.

 

[TelHybrid]

but if it is a console thread then why the fuck would you post about your pc? even if they may have a pc it's still a console thread so what drove you to start posting about your pc?

What the hell is wrong with a "neither" option on a thread? Why is it such a travesty to say "I'm building a PC instead of buying a new console?"

PCs are used as gaming devices. This is a video game forum. Therefore, if people want to talk about their PC where relevant, and one's choice of gaming platform is pretty damn relevant, then why should one demographic get a big "fuck you"?

 

[Rastrelly]

The only PC gamers I've seen call them selves "the master race" do it sarcastically or jokingly.

That's a common mechanism there that PC Gamers use to defend other PC Gamers, the same way a console fanboy's gonna defend his ilk. When it's said 90% of the time I've seen it, it's not followed by the atypical LOLs or J/Ks to imply it's a joke. I assume we're mostly adults or mature here on Escapist to know a troll post or troll comment on YouTube when we see it. Sorry, but I'm not buying that for a million dollars.

I must inform you that I ruled this galaxy for millions of years. I owerthrown Uranus and made ancient deities fall to my feet. Then I got tired and travelled to Silver Castle and slept up until now, surrounded by harmony of the Universes. And I imply you will take this sentence absolutely seriously for there is no clear indication of it being a joke.

Also I consider PC a superior platform, but I think everyone has the right to spend their money the way they want, even if I think their way of spending is strange at the least.

 

[BitterLemon]

The pc elitist stuff always sound funny to me... where I live, it's quite the opposite. Consoles are considered a big luxury and PCs are something considered more useful, so people make a effort to run games with whatever shitty laptop they have. Buying a console is like "oooooh, you're so special that you need to play in a big TV on the living room, sitting in your comfy couch, with cool graphics! You can't be like normal people who play at low settings, running at 20fps in a small laptop screen, sitting in a horrible office chair!"

Just yesterday my friends were talking about one of the guys because he had bought a PS3 this week and someone said "He bought a console? Jeez... he didn't seem that kind of people..."

Lately, it's changing a bit because consoles are getting cheaper, but still costs almost 2 times the minimum wage.

 

[Skeleon]

That's a common mechanism there that PC Gamers use to defend other PC Gamers, the same way a console fanboy's gonna defend his ilk. When it's said 90% of the time I've seen it, it's not followed by the atypical LOLs or J/Ks to imply it's a joke.

Oh noes, they didn't clearly state they were joking when they referred to themselves as "the master race". Well, then I'm sure there was no sarcasm involved whatsoever of course!

Anyway, regarding the fps-debate: Depends a lot on the game. FPS in particular require high fps (confusing with the acronyms, eh) for precision gaming. 30 fps is too low there. Try playing a game like Painkiller with low fps. Awful. It's less of an issue with FPS on consoles because the controller-based gameplay is already a lot more floaty. Some platformers have issues with low fps, too, like Super Meatboy. Certainly not a game that is heralded for its high-def graphical brilliance, but fps actually has gameplay-implications there. In fact, fps is much more important to a lot of gamers than graphics. Who cares whether the textures are slightly more detailed if the flow of the game suffers? So, reducing your graphical settings to fulfill the "snooty" desire for high fps is quite common among PC gamers who don't have the newest hardware.

 

[Bombiz]

but if it is a console thread then why the fuck would you post about your pc? even if they may have a pc it's still a console thread so what drove you to start posting about your pc?

What the hell is wrong with a "neither" option on a thread? Why is it such a travesty to say "I'm building a PC instead of buying a new console?"

i feel like neither or i don't care should be an option on more things.