1. That's a thing?! I mean I'm fed up of PC ports being really poorly done as much as the next PC enthusiast (recently acquired GTA4 in a sale and it's awful on PC), but that's a thing? Holy crap!shrekfan246 said:1. To be completely fair to the people who throw out those complaints, it's a little hard to stomach the "not-elitist" excuse when you turn around and see tons of forums flooding with people saying they refuse to buy a 2D platformer because it potentially runs at 30 FPS instead of 60. Not even a precision platformer like Super Meat Boy. It sucks that it might arbitrarily be locked because the development team just isn't that good with PC development, but 30 FPS is still perfectly playable on a PC.TelHybrid said:Oh and for god sake... stop assuming every PC gamer is an elitist!
2. Also, it's probably a bit of a persecution complex. Particularly in such PC-centric forums like The Escapist, it's a little obnoxious to see all of the constant complaints about how games get "dumbed down" because of the console market, as if the people who play on consoles are somehow stupider than the people who buy for PC. Something a lot of people don't seem to realize is that the complexity of the control scheme doesn't equal depth of gameplay.
3. I mean, if you want to get really pedantic here, you're encouraging the PC/Console segregation yourself by telling people to stop accusing PC gamers of being elitists while not telling people to stop accusing console players of being massive scrublords who need their hands held every thirty seconds.
4. Anyway, console wars are nothing new. PC getting roped into the mix pretty much just comes with the territory now that so many games are multi-platform. The most predominant cause of the behavior likely involves insecurity about one's purchases when they see that same product questioned extensively by random strangers, and they feel the need to justify their purchase of said product. Of course, you also have people who are inexplicably "loyal" to a certain brand, and I can't really explain that one since putting your "loyalty" in a big multi-million dollar mega-corporation just seems silly to me.
To clarify my position: You're perfectly entitled to avoid buying a game because it doesn't meet your standards. You're also perfectly entitled to bring the points that kept you from buying a game up when other people ask for recommendations.TheKasp said:Snip
Yup. And flame wars about FPS rage through here every now and then. Hell, I can see the sparks of one striking up in this very thread.TelHybrid said:1. That's a thing?! I mean I'm fed up of PC ports being really poorly done as much as the next PC enthusiast (recently acquired GTA4 in a sale and it's awful on PC), but that's a thing? Holy crap!
I don't disagree, but when people start accusing things like Crysis 2 of being "dumbed down" because they put in keybindings for the nanosuit controls instead of making you open up the radial menu, I find it hard to sympathize. (And yes, that really happened too.)2. To be honest that's more of a problem with the industry than the players. From a personal standpoint, I find it retarded if a developer doesn't make PC the lead development platform for a multi-platform game. It simple gets better results with PC as the lead (see Battlefield 3).
You haven't looked hard enough... though I do have to admit it's been slightly better the past few months.3. I've honestly not seen PC players accusing console players of that in a very long time, especially not on escapist.
I miss the Genesis/Megadrive...4. Yeah... I learned the hard way that brand loyalty is stupid. I grew up playing on SEGA consoles. XD
I don't care for the best graphics, in fact I always run all games on the low or lowest possible graphical setting.shrekfan246 said:but 30 FPS is still perfectly playable on a PC.
They make it hard to believe that they're anything but, especially when they come talking about their PCs, sometimes in graphic detail, in threads that are specifically about consoles and not game platforms in general- as in, its not pertaining to them and they should've gathered that from the thread title. While I wouldn't have used an expletive or something to convey that, don't get mad at the people pointing out the obvious to them because, apparently, it was warranted.TelHybrid said:"Which platform are you getting? PS4 or Xbone?"
"Oh I'm just building a new PC"
"GTFO!!! THIS IS A CONSOLE THREAD!!!"
What's the deal? I mean unless you're predominantly a Nintendo owner, most of the games you buy will be multi platform these days. Everyone owns some form of PC, some people add a couple of hardware upgrades for games, others buy separate devices for games. Some like to tweak and tinker with their games with mods, others like a hassle-free plug and play.
Oh and for god sake... stop assuming every PC gamer is an elitist!
If its on one console but still has a PC port, it is still considered a console exclusive when/because its available on that console and not the others. e.g Titanfall is on the 360, Xbone and PC, but still not on anything Sony or Nintendo, so as a console gamer (if I cared about FPS/multi-player/gritty realism) and wanted to pick it up, I'd have to get an Xbone (eww) or 360 (eww) to play that game, lending to its Xbox exclusivity. Also, Microsoft does count it as their exclusive, so it's kinda mean to call people stupid for saying such.Or even subtle stuff like:
"Oh this game is Xbox exclusive"
"But it's on PC"
"Still Xbox exclusive... it's Microsoft" <- by the way people with that logic are stupid.
If the question didn't ask anything besides one console or the other(s), 'Neither' is a fine answer (doesn't really add much discussion value to the topic at hand, though) if you feel you absolutely must post something and the poll option is not there (though why that last part should matter is beyond me), but unless you're under duress, you can ignore the thread entirely. Its just like my site for pet-owners scenario; yes, its a site for pet owners and dogs are pets as well, but if the thread is about cats, unless you're talking about cats, your posts, even benign ones like "Well, I'm getting a puppy", are literally uncalled for.TelHybrid said:What the hell is wrong with a "neither" option on a thread? Why is it such a travesty to say "I'm building a PC instead of buying a new console?"felbot said:but if it is a console thread then why the fuck would you post about your pc? even if they may have a pc it's still a console thread so what drove you to start posting about your pc?
That isn't the problem. 'Where relevant' would be in general gaming threads that don't specify one platform or another. The likely reason why PC gamers get the flak is because they will more than likely post PC- related or elitist stuff in threads that don't concern their preferred platform when they could've done as I stated above and simply went about their business or discuss a console(s) if they happen to use one (or more) as a supplementary gaming platform(s). Likewise, if I see a PC-centric discussion, I don't jump in and expect to post about consoles without stirring up some kind of negativity, I go to one either pertaining to my platform of choice or a more general thread (like this one) and decide what to do from there.PCs are used as gaming devices. This is a video game forum. Therefore, if people want to talk about their PC where relevant, and one's choice of gaming platform is pretty damn relevant, then why should one demographic get a big "fuck you"?
What? That's some nonsense from whoever said that then, because Crysis has quick commands for all powers and specific usages:shrekfan246 said:I don't disagree, but when people start accusing things like Crysis 2 of being "dumbed down" because they put in keybindings for the nanosuit controls instead of making you open up the radial menu, I find it hard to sympathize. (And yes, that really happened too.)
To me it does. Does that make me wrong or a whiny PC elitist now?Thr33X said:The rest of us could care less if a game is 30 FPS or not. Is it really affecting the gameplay or the gaming experience?
The only PC gamers I've seen call them selves "the master race" do it sarcastically or jokingly.because they are the ones who continually harp on about being the "Master Race"
Optimal settings is dependent on the person and their hardware. for most optimal just means getting the game to run at an ok frame rate whether or not its at 30 or 60. Even if that means lowering their graphics settings.Secondly, it's nice and all that PC Gamers can play games at their "optimal" settings, but another thing they fail to realize is that a lot (and by a lot I mean a vast majority)
For some people yes having a game run at 30 FPS is affecting their gameplay. for some it's stuttery and jagged and ruins immersion.The rest of us could care less if a game is 30 FPS or not. Is it really affecting the gameplay or the gaming experience?
And on a similar note, I dislike the Miami Heat because I dislike LeBron James. Fantastic player, pathetic personality in MY opinion. This is of course MY opinion, and it's a trivial opinion at that, but it's mine and I take no offense to anyone saying that it is, especially if they're a die-hard Heat fan and sling as many adjectives at me as possible.TheKasp said:Good to know. My preference is trivial and yours is not. I will give in and shell out my money for stuff I won't ever play because it stutters for me. Should I also start shelling out money for games with a FoV below 90 and just live with the fact that I get headaches after less than 30 minutes in such games.Thr33X said:There's no need to elaborate anything. If for whatever reason YOU deem is unpleasing then it's YOUR choice on whether or not it's worth YOUR time. However, just because it's YOUR opinion doesn't take away the fact that it's a snobbish opinion, based on the fact that a game could be aesthetically excellent in terms of story, gameplay or a myriad of other factors, but you'd dismiss it on something as trivial as framerate.
The message is loud and clear...however...it labels you as snooty. It is what it is.
That's a common mechanism there that PC Gamers use to defend other PC Gamers, the same way a console fanboy's gonna defend his ilk. When it's said 90% of the time I've seen it, it's not followed by the atypical LOLs or J/Ks to imply it's a joke. I assume we're mostly adults or mature here on Escapist to know a troll post or troll comment on YouTube when we see it. Sorry, but I'm not buying that for a million dollars.weirdo8977 said:The only PC gamers I've seen call them selves "the master race" do it sarcastically or jokingly.
Subjective as this may be, to the ENTIRETY of console gamers, it's not an option that can be used, hence not of their concern, and realistically in the eyes of a console gamer who takes what's given to them pretty much, the whole issue with graphics and framerates and so on sounds ridiculous...it sounds ridiculous coming from console players who complain about it as well, so nobody should feel too sensitive about it.weirdo8977 said:Optimal settings is dependent on the person and their hardware. for most optimal just means getting the game to run at an ok frame rate whether or not its at 30 or 60. Even if that means lowering their graphics settings.
For some, immersion simply needs to be a game that's fun to play. So again, to the masses of console players out there who couldn't give a cat's meow about minute details in comparison to the totality of a full game, it's rather easy to see how that which you say, valid as it may be, can come off as being anal.weirdo8977 said:For some people yes having a game run at 30 FPS is affecting their gameplay. for some it's stuttery and jagged and ruins immersion.
a 2d platformer only running at 30 fps? well they damn well shouldn't give the devs any money they're absolutely incompetent.shrekfan246 said:To be completely fair to the people who throw out those complaints, it's a little hard to stomach the "not-elitist" excuse when you turn around and see tons of forums flooding with people saying they refuse to buy a 2D platformer because it potentially runs at 30 FPS instead of 60. Not even a precision platformer like Super Meat Boy. It sucks that it might arbitrarily be locked because the development team just isn't that good with PC development, but 30 FPS is still perfectly playable on a PC.TelHybrid said:Oh and for god sake... stop assuming every PC gamer is an elitist!
Super Meat Boy isn't locked to 30fps, I'm 90% sure it's not even 30fps on xbox, since meat boy at 30fps just wouldn't work and I've played it on an xbox before.shrekfan246 said:To be completely fair to the people who throw out those complaints, it's a little hard to stomach the "not-elitist" excuse when you turn around and see tons of forums flooding with people saying they refuse to buy a 2D platformer because it potentially runs at 30 FPS instead of 60. Not even a precision platformer like Super Meat Boy. It sucks that it might arbitrarily be locked because the development team just isn't that good with PC development, but 30 FPS is still perfectly playable on a PC.