PC/Console gaming segregation

[Bad Jim]

I can tell the difference between 30 and 60 as well. 60 is noticeably smoother and more responsive and generally feels better. I won't dispute that.

But it sounds particularly snooty and dismissive to outright state "I refuse to purchase this game because it doesn't run at a particular and arbitrary level of smoothness."

30 FPS is a "semi-decent" standard. Unless you're the type of person who's shelled out the money for a 120Hz monitor, 60 FPS is generally going to be the absolute maximum your PC will display anyway.

For just about every modern console game locked at 30 FPS, the sacrifice of visual quality required to get it running at 60 FPS would be pretty small. You can tell when there is an order of magnitude difference in rendering power, as there is between console generations, but with a factor of two it is hard to tell.

To me it sounds rather dismissive to shout down the 60 FPS advocates when the cost of 60 FPS is not all that great.

The reason why 30 FPS dominates is not that it is truly better, it is that Youtube etc show videos at 30 FPS, so anyone watching videos of a 60 FPS game before they buy will see no increase in smoothness, only less polygons.

We PC gamers do not harp on about 60 FPS just because we can get 60 FPS and you can't, it is because we get to choose, and even when our PCs are slower than the consoles, we nearly always pick 60 FPS over a slightly prettier 30 FPS. It seems crazy to us that console developers choose 30 FPS.

 

[Thr33X]

I see I've struck quite a few nerves, eh? Well...some folks are just gonna have to deal with the idea of counterpoints to their counterpoints. That is after all how this whole thing works. You think what you think, I think what I think, and if there is a conflict of interest...well those be the breaks as the old folks would say.

I love it how you take it upon yourself to decide which claims and opinions have substance. Unless you actually start to elaborate on your previous claims all I read is just a big pile of nonsense. I explained my position and how low FPS affects my enjoyment of all aspects of the game and you try and tell me what I need to focus on and spend my money on.

Get off your high horse because right now you display "elitism". You assume your position is superiour without anything to back that position up.

"PC Nazi". Classy.

Nice try at flipping it, but obviously you didn't get the message. What YOU think is what YOU think regarding your preference towards games, just as what I think is what I think regarding sports teams. Regardless of what our opinions are on either topic however, people are going to have opinions about our opinions when they differ from their own. I think your opinion is snobbish, you think mine is nonsense, see how that works? If you at all think that's me being on a high horse then I really don't know what else to say to you. I have no need to back up anything I've said because it's based on my own personal experience on the topic, and quite frankly that's all I need...so if it's some fact check you're looking for then I suppose this will be our last interaction for the rest of our online existences, because you won't be getting that from me.

And no, the term PC Nazi isn't classy at all (I knowingly accept your sarcasm there), but if individuals can "joke" about being better than others, then I can make a rebuttal of a joke about that joke as I see fit. Is the word Nazi offensive? Sorry if I don't cater to sensitivities. I called PC Gamers in general out on their tendencies, pure and simple...and the backlash is readily apparent. There's an old adage that fits this situation and it goes "only the guilty take offense".

However...I do it to XBots and Sony Ponies as well...so as you can see I'm an equal opportunity "hater". Do I have to come up with clever names? Nope...but it's a joke. So if your fellow PC Gamers can do it, can I not?

 

[shrekfan246]

I can tell the difference between 30 and 60 as well. 60 is noticeably smoother and more responsive and generally feels better. I won't dispute that.

But it sounds particularly snooty and dismissive to outright state "I refuse to purchase this game because it doesn't run at a particular and arbitrary level of smoothness."

30 FPS is a "semi-decent" standard. Unless you're the type of person who's shelled out the money for a 120Hz monitor, 60 FPS is generally going to be the absolute maximum your PC will display anyway.

For just about every modern console game locked at 30 FPS, the sacrifice of visual quality required to get it running at 60 FPS would be pretty small. You can tell when there is an order of magnitude difference in rendering power, as there is between console generations, but with a factor of two it is hard to tell.

To me it sounds rather dismissive to shout down the 60 FPS advocates when the cost of 60 FPS is not all that great.

The reason why 30 FPS dominates is not that it is truly better, it is that Youtube etc show videos at 30 FPS, so anyone watching videos of a 60 FPS game before they buy will see no increase in smoothness, only less polygons.

You know how monumentally weak the current consoles are, right? And how the fact that the Xbox, Playstation, and PC all use completely different APIs means developers basically have to make three versions of every multi-platform game? And where did I say that 30 FPS was better? In fact, I said 60 FPS is better. 30 FPS is the standard for consoles because they don't have the RAM and graphical power to cope with it otherwise. Quite a few more recent PS3 games can't even get a steady 30 FPS. It's not as simple as them dropping the graphical fidelity; The consoles are just that old and difficult to develop for when you've got to make multiple copies of the same thing over and over again and try to get them all to reach a same standard.

We PC gamers do not harp on about 60 FPS just because we can get 60 FPS and you can't, it is because we get to choose, and even when our PCs are slower than the consoles, we nearly always pick 60 FPS over a slightly prettier 30 FPS. It seems crazy to us that console developers choose 30 FPS.

Yeah... I primarily play games on my PC. So... maybe don't make wide sweeping generalizations?

 

[Bombiz]

Nice try at flipping it, but obviously you didn't get the message. What YOU think is what YOU think regarding your preference towards games, just as what I think is what I think regarding sports teams. Regardless of what our opinions are on either topic however, people are going to have opinions on our opinions about our opinions when they differ from their own. I think your opinion is snobbish, you think mine is nonsense, see how that works? If you at all think that's me being on a high horse then I really don't know what else to say to you. I have no need to back up anything I've said because it's based on my own personal experience on the topic, and quite frankly that's all I need...so if it's some fact check you're looking for then I suppose this will be our last interaction for the rest of our online existences, because you won't be getting that from me.

And no, the term PC Nazi isn't classy at all (I knowingly accept your sarcasm there), but if individuals can "joke" about being better than others, then I can make a rebuttal of a joke about that joke as I see fit. Is the word Nazi offensive? Sorry if I don't cater to sensitivities. I called PC Gamers in general out on their tendencies, pure and simple...and the backlash is readily apparent. There's an old adage that fits this situation and it goes "only the guilty take offense".

However...I do it to XBots and Sony Ponies as well...so as you can see I'm an equal opportunity "hater". Do I have to come up with clever names? Nope...but it's a joke. So if your fellow PC Gamers can do it, can I not?

XBots and Sony Ponies aren't really offensive and just by saying that doesn't make you an "equal opportunity hater". and why do you put quotation marks around joke. What are jokes bad or something? and why do you need a rebuttal to that joke? If some one is meaning a joke their not starting a debate.I just don't get your logic at all.

"only the guilty take offense".

I guess by that logic all gay people must be pedophiles.

 

[Funyahns]

Pc elitists are not worse than the people who overly love their specific console. Or those people who defend their favorite MMO, or the latest final fantasy. Anybody who blindly loves a product and can't believe that their product of choice could be flawed. Its not a pc gamer thing its just that personality and they are all over the spectrum. My best friend has a PS3 and I have a 360. Guess how many times we have argued over who has the superior console?.... Never. Don't group all pc people together based off of a couple idiots. They should go into the same group as the people who were defending the xbox one policies and who think BioWare is still amazing.

 

[PoolCleaningRobot]

Personally I find this whole pc vs console thing a pain in the ass cause there's a lot things about pc gaming that I like and some things that I don't like so believe me, I'd love to discuss consoles AND pc's online but threads usually get those guys who suddenly have to rebut every complaint leveled against pcs with half assed bullshit opinions that can't be argued against cause they're so stupid.

"Yeah Steam was being a pain in the ass yesterday and my computer locked up twice while trying start Dude Bro Gun Fuckers 4 and I had to restart it"

"I'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM STARTING A GAME ON STEAM IN 5 YEARS!"

"Ok..."

It just gets old, so I avoid threads that about pc gaming which is why I would get annoyed if someone brought up pc's in a console thread cause then I know those guys aren't far behind. Luckily have real life friends who are into pc's and some who are into consoles so I can complain about and gush over pc's with them

 

[Thr33X]

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You assume that people who prefer less flaws on the technical side of any game have a stance of lesser substance.

You hit the nail right on the head. There will ALWAYS be flaws on the technical side of a game, especially if it's a game being released on multiple platforms, so to point out those flaws as being "dealbreakers" as it were if they aren't game breakers as is the case with FPS, is in my honest, humble opinion a load of malarkey. If that makes me elitist then so be it. It's MY opinion, and in my opinion people who think that way pretty much missed out on a lot, but that is THEIR opinion, ponderous as it may seem to somebody like me who's been around for EVERY console generation from Atari 2600 to now.

In said opinion, where I grew up in a time where graphics and framerate and all the rest of the jargon which people like to toss around like horseshoes meant nothing, I appreciate a good game for being that, a good game. And if it in fact ISN'T a good game, through some more urgent factors than how fast it runs, then I will call it out like nobody's business. Otherwise, no game is going to be 100% perfect, so to discredit a game that's 90% perfect is the stance of someone's who's spoiled rotten.

There's your substance. And if that makes me an "elitist" then I'll wear the bad guy badge with pride.

 

[Bad Jim]

Quite a few more recent PS3 games can't even get a steady 30 FPS. It's not as simple as them dropping the graphical fidelity; The consoles are just that old and difficult to develop for when you've got to make multiple copies of the same thing over and over again and try to get them all to reach a same standard.

Yes, it really is that simple. For the vast majority of games, the only part that needs significant processing power is rendering. Render less and the fps goes up. I could play Unreal Tournament at 60 fps, on a far less powerful machine than current gen consoles. And when a new console generation comes out and PCs have to work to keep up with them, the PC versions of games generally let you set detail levels well below console quality, and they still lock the consoles at 30 fps.

 

[porous_shield]

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You assume that people who prefer less flaws on the technical side of any game have a stance of lesser substance.

You hit the nail right on the head. There will ALWAYS be flaws on the technical side of a game, especially if it's a game being released on multiple platforms, so to point out those flaws as being "dealbreakers" as it were if they aren't game breakers as is the case with FPS, is in my honest, humble opinion a load of malarkey. If that makes me elitist then so be it. It's MY opinion, and in my opinion people who think that way pretty much missed out on a lot, but that is THEIR opinion, ponderous as it may seem to somebody like me who's been around for EVERY console generation from Atari 2600 to now.

In said opinion, where I grew up in a time where graphics and framerate and all the rest of the jargon which people like to toss around like horseshoes meant nothing, I appreciate a good game for being that, a good game. And if it in fact ISN'T a good game, through some more urgent factors than how fast it runs, then I will call it out like nobody's business. Otherwise, no game is going to be 100% perfect, so to discredit a game that's 90% perfect is the stance of someone's who's spoiled rotten.

There's your substance. And if that makes me an "elitist" then I'll wear the bad guy badge with pride.

That does make you elitist in a way and also very condescending of other people's opinions. If you think a game is 90% and near perfect, that's you opinion and you obviously have reasons for thinking that but maybe I think the game is 60% and I have reasons for thinking this just the same has you do. You seem to think your opinion is the right one and the be all end all of discourse.

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

What if I told you that consoles are computers?

 

[Evil Smurf]

The reason people get angry over consoles is because:
1. corps don't know how to treat humans.
2. if you can only afford one console, you might get jealous.
3. They are annoyed they can't have mods on their console.

I could care less

*twitches*

<a href=http://www.thatvideosite.com/v/9128/david-mitchell-explains-the-difference-between-could-and-couldnt-care-less>I think you meant, "could not care less".

My eternal opinion about PC Nazis as I like to call them

1. Godwin's law is now in effect.
2. I really hope you're joking.

only the pc master gods can grand you the mark.

D: I don't have the mark.

 

[Evil Smurf]

The reason people get angry over consoles is because:
1. corps don't know how to treat humans.
2. if you can only afford one console, you might get jealous.
3. They are annoyed they can't have mods on their console.

I could care less

*twitches*

<a href=http://www.thatvideosite.com/v/9128/david-mitchell-explains-the-difference-between-could-and-couldnt-care-less>I think you meant, "could not care less".

Yeah, I know the difference, I always seem to type it incorrectly when I use that "phrase." You have that "English OCD eh?" Haha. I can't stand it either when people use incorrect English sometimes as well.

Anyways: Yes, I really couldn't care less about which Company makes what hardware, I would rather just enjoy the games. Even if I could only afford one console or just a PC or whatever, I wouldn't feel the need to bad mouth the competition just to feel better about it.

I had to refrain from cursing at you from the high heavens. I care that much about spelling and grammar.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

There are assholes on everything and everything is defined by their assholes unfortunately. As whoever farts the loudest must be the real deal. Also on the "elitist" PC stuff fps is very important with the mouse*due to how fast it moves in comparison to a controller) for some genres and things like a low FoV can act actually make people sick.

 

[SonofSpermcube]

Anyone who was a PC chauvinist between ~2000 and ~2006 was dead fucking wrong. If you didn't mind gamepad controls the Xbox had enough brain-dead shooters for anyone, and covered the same bro demographic the 360 does just as thoroughly, and had a few killer games that could reach out to people who don't suck. The Gamecube was one of Nintendo's best systems, if not better than the SNES. And saying this as a PC chauvinist for the last 5 or 6 years, the PS2 was the best console evar. There were only a handful of PC games during that period that were as good as the stuff that was coming out on the PS2, and that includes the DX9 shooters that started coming out from 2004. If one had to choose between a gaming PC and a console in the early 2000s, you could choose pretty much any system without feeling like a chump; and if you went for just a PC you'd likely find yourself wanting one of the consoles (I did).

But in the last generation, and thus far the current/upcoming one? Pretty much every game worth playing came out on the PC as well as the consoles. Nintendo, with its previous-generation-level hardware, had most of the worthwhile exclusives. Meanwhile the 360 and PS3 were full of nearly-identical superficial BORING shit which was often competing against an objectively superior PC version. At the same time they were plagued with hardware failures (30% defect rate on Xboxes for a while. THIRTY PERCENT). There were releases with game-ruining bugs, which may be understandable on the PC with its millions of possible hardware configurations; but is utterly unacceptable on a console, where there is initially just ONE. Consoles are supposed to JUST WORK, but they fucking didn't. You pretty much have to install your games...again where is the advantage over a PC?

And THEN there's the Xbox Live gamer culture, where the worst kinds of brain-dead racist homophobic morons rule. I once did an interview at a Chinese software company that was doing testing for Microsoft's speech recognition for Xbox Live search. I got to listen to recordings of Xbox users trying it out. I heard the term "niggerdick" (which the speech recognition choked on, pun intended) more times during that little exercise than ever elsewhere, and that was pretty much the tip of the iceberg. Granted that doesn't apply to PS3 or Wii, but FOR FUCK'S SAKE XBOX USERS YOU PEOPLE ARE SCUM. Maybe I should be thankful that the Xbox exists, though, because that keeps them busy, so they can't ruin anything that doesn't already suck.

Since the 360 and PS3 hit their stride, such as it is, the PC has been the objectively superior game platform, even though it hasn't really changed from when it wasn't. The only reason this is the case is that the consoles have gotten so fucking AWFUL, taking all of the worst "features" of PC gaming and none of the best. And now you've got Microsoft wanting to double down on that bullshit.

 

[Lightknight]

What if I told you that consoles are computers?

Consoles are capable of being computers if you hack them. Otherwise they're a closed system to the point that the distinction is valid. Browsing and word processing on a console is either non-existent or terrible whereas a computer can do everything a console can do and more. Your statement is also valid for calculators, brick cell-phones with a display, and an ATM.

I do think Consoles are becoming more and more like open computers though. I wonder how long it'll be before word processing is possible out of the box? Unfortunately, that would harm the efficiency of the console OS being optimized for gaming. But in a world with resources specifically dedicated to the OS then I guess that doesn't matter as much as it once did.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Man, sure is lonely up here on my my tower, comprised of both consoles and PCs.

Being the true master race sure is sexy.

Lonely, but sexy.

 

[Hoplon]

Personally I find this whole pc vs console thing a pain in the ass cause there's a lot things about pc gaming that I like and some things that I don't like so believe me, I'd love to discuss consoles AND pc's online but threads usually get those guys who suddenly have to rebut every complaint leveled against pcs with half assed bullshit opinions that can't be argued against cause they're so stupid.

"Yeah Steam was being a pain in the ass yesterday and my computer locked up twice while trying start Dude Bro Gun Fuckers 4 and I had to restart it"

"I'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM STARTING A GAME ON STEAM IN 5 YEARS!"

"Ok..."

It just gets old, so I avoid threads that about pc gaming which is why I would get annoyed if someone brought up pc's in a console thread cause then I know those guys aren't far behind. Luckily have real life friends who are into pc's and some who are into consoles so I can complain about and gush over pc's with them

Wait doesn't everyone get GSB? (general steam bullshit) Fuckin' steam, I like it a lot but some days it's just asking for a punch in the balls.

Mostly why i prefer the PC is not having fuck around with game pads, I really suck at using them.

 

[Ratties]

Pretty much don't give two shits about somebody's badass rig that they built. Really try to avoid any thread that has the title of, "thinking about building my own PC." Oh the fucks I give having to see the people list their custom jobs. That bullshit is in a console thread, then get the fuck out. Everybody is talking about the PS3, then it comes out of nowhere, then yeah. Kind of feel the Master Race joke was never funny to begin with. To me, it feels like a catchphrase that is to dumb to be widely popular. Sort of is popular, which further goes to show how unfunny the average person really is. Everybody on here seems to to know where to put their opinion at. Really don't see why their are people picking sides anyways. Everything about it is a hobby, one that isn't paying the bills, don't defend it.

 

[PoolCleaningRobot]

Personally I find this whole pc vs console thing a pain in the ass cause there's a lot things about pc gaming that I like and some things that I don't like so believe me, I'd love to discuss consoles AND pc's online but threads usually get those guys who suddenly have to rebut every complaint leveled against pcs with half assed bullshit opinions that can't be argued against cause they're so stupid.

"Yeah Steam was being a pain in the ass yesterday and my computer locked up twice while trying start Dude Bro Gun Fuckers 4 and I had to restart it"

"I'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM STARTING A GAME ON STEAM IN 5 YEARS!"

"Ok..."

It just gets old, so I avoid threads that about pc gaming which is why I would get annoyed if someone brought up pc's in a console thread cause then I know those guys aren't far behind. Luckily have real life friends who are into pc's and some who are into consoles so I can complain about and gush over pc's with them

Wait doesn't everyone get GSB? (general steam bullshit) Fuckin' steam, I like it a lot but some days it's just asking for a punch in the balls.

I assume everybody does but some people don't want to act like Steam is anything less than an amazing gift from the Valve gods to pc gamers. I love it too, its sales have let me try some games I might not have played otherwise but given the option I'd rather pay more to play some of my games without a client and drm. Or just play off a disk

Mostly why i prefer the PC is not having fuck around with game pads, I really suck at using them.

Funny, I'm the opposite. Setting up my laptop to work on my tv with a gamepad is the biggest hassle (I have short fingers and suck with a keyboard). Windows 7 can't even change its font to a readable size on a 30 inch 1080p tv without logging off and logging back on

 

[Strelok]

Being a multiplatform God Emperor is good, I will have a Playstation # for as long as consoles are made. I do enjoy my God of War, Infamous, Shadow of the Colossus etc, but when consoles die out (and yes they certainly will) I won't be shedding a tear for them. Stagnating hardware is not where the future lies, cloud gaming is, but without the wicked hand of Micro$uck involved with it. Soon the only difference will be what device you use to control the game attached to your Smart TV, notebook, tablet, etc.

Captcha: bees knees, yes captcha multiplatform gaming certainly is... for now.