Battlelog does bug me. I can't help but blame it for every crash, even though it's probably not it's fault.luke10123 said:This, it's really not that bad. BF3's browser-launcher thing is actually growing on me. Origin's nothing special but it's not BAD in any way, people are just moaning because it's an EA service.Techno Squidgy said:As much as I enjoy using Steam.Vault101 said:soo.....Origin
good?
bad?
terrible?
I havnt had the pleasure of using EA's "wonderful" new service, so Im curious to know how you guys are finding it? is it as bad as i seems? is it "ok"?
tell me your experiences
Read as: I don't notice it at all.
It's not the anti-christ. EA may be but Origin is just a program that sits on my computer waiting for me to start it so I can play Battlefield.
There was one case in recent memory, but that one involved tax evasion and many angry people just hadn't figured out was really going on. Still it caused a bit of stir a while back.leet_x1337 said:"Valve-fan police" can't keep every Internet user with a genuine grudge against Steam down. Again: link or it didn't happen.Keava said:You would be surprised how many people have such issues with Steam, but interwebs Valve-fan police keeps 'em quiet. Actually, You can get people banned on Steam quite easily, just be from US and gift US priced games to friends in EU. Both You and Your friends can be banned xDleet_x1337 said:Isn't taking away someone's access to every game they bought with the service with hardly any warning doing that "at any point in time"? Although it is for forum bans, it's still another broken promise on EA's part. And I've never seen anyone call out Steam because they woke up and all their games were gone. If you have, could you post a link?Keava said:Origin at least promises 2 years. Steam can do it at any point in time.
Another funny case with Valve is their relation with PayPal. If for whatever reason PayPal issues a chargeback on a purchase from Valve You get banned from Your Steam account until PayPal gives Valve money back. You can't use alternative payment method. You have to now enter a long and quite tiresome back and forth between two companies, neither really willing to help You. Can happen with credit card payments too.
Oh, and unknowingly accepting an illegally obtained item/game through he trading system gets You banned too, even if You personally done nothing illegal. Sure, getting scammed is the victims fault 99% of time, but still...
That is kind of breaking the law, though...He'd probably be lucky just to get away with losing his games...veloper said:There was one case in recent memory, but that one involved tax evasion and many angry people just hadn't figured out was really going on. Still it caused a bit of stir a while back.leet_x1337 said:"Valve-fan police" can't keep every Internet user with a genuine grudge against Steam down. Again: link or it didn't happen.Keava said:You would be surprised how many people have such issues with Steam, but interwebs Valve-fan police keeps 'em quiet. Actually, You can get people banned on Steam quite easily, just be from US and gift US priced games to friends in EU. Both You and Your friends can be banned xDleet_x1337 said:Isn't taking away someone's access to every game they bought with the service with hardly any warning doing that "at any point in time"? Although it is for forum bans, it's still another broken promise on EA's part. And I've never seen anyone call out Steam because they woke up and all their games were gone. If you have, could you post a link?Keava said:Origin at least promises 2 years. Steam can do it at any point in time.
Another funny case with Valve is their relation with PayPal. If for whatever reason PayPal issues a chargeback on a purchase from Valve You get banned from Your Steam account until PayPal gives Valve money back. You can't use alternative payment method. You have to now enter a long and quite tiresome back and forth between two companies, neither really willing to help You. Can happen with credit card payments too.
Oh, and unknowingly accepting an illegally obtained item/game through he trading system gets You banned too, even if You personally done nothing illegal. Sure, getting scammed is the victims fault 99% of time, but still...
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/fk90z/steam_support_bans_my_account_for_gifting/
You can get banned if you "gift" european "friends" games in exchange for money (through paypal or otherwise).
Companies delivering to European customers need to pay VAT to european countries, which is a kind of tax (varying around 20%), which the company in turn charges the customer over the tiller.
Valve pays the VAT, but some smart individuals found out that you can set up your own american shop within Steam, undercut valve's euro pricing and avoid taxes (and potentially still make a small profit). That is until you get found out.
Actually, it does install from the disk, it just says "Downloading" for some reason. I tested it with BF3, when I took the disk out it gave an error.Metanar said:Made me download the whole thing from Origin instead of just installing from the disk, not sure if it does that for everyone.
Yes, but it also illustrates the kind of "everyone does it anyway" excuse the Origin apologizers are using.leet_x1337 said:That is kind of breaking the law, though...He'd probably be lucky just to get away with losing his games...veloper said:There was one case in recent memory, but that one involved tax evasion and many angry people just hadn't figured out was really going on. Still it caused a bit of stir a while back.leet_x1337 said:"Valve-fan police" can't keep every Internet user with a genuine grudge against Steam down. Again: link or it didn't happen.Keava said:You would be surprised how many people have such issues with Steam, but interwebs Valve-fan police keeps 'em quiet. Actually, You can get people banned on Steam quite easily, just be from US and gift US priced games to friends in EU. Both You and Your friends can be banned xDleet_x1337 said:Isn't taking away someone's access to every game they bought with the service with hardly any warning doing that "at any point in time"? Although it is for forum bans, it's still another broken promise on EA's part. And I've never seen anyone call out Steam because they woke up and all their games were gone. If you have, could you post a link?Keava said:Origin at least promises 2 years. Steam can do it at any point in time.
Another funny case with Valve is their relation with PayPal. If for whatever reason PayPal issues a chargeback on a purchase from Valve You get banned from Your Steam account until PayPal gives Valve money back. You can't use alternative payment method. You have to now enter a long and quite tiresome back and forth between two companies, neither really willing to help You. Can happen with credit card payments too.
Oh, and unknowingly accepting an illegally obtained item/game through he trading system gets You banned too, even if You personally done nothing illegal. Sure, getting scammed is the victims fault 99% of time, but still...
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/fk90z/steam_support_bans_my_account_for_gifting/
You can get banned if you "gift" european "friends" games in exchange for money (through paypal or otherwise).
Companies delivering to European customers need to pay VAT to european countries, which is a kind of tax (varying around 20%), which the company in turn charges the customer over the tiller.
Valve pays the VAT, but some smart individuals found out that you can set up your own american shop within Steam, undercut valve's euro pricing and avoid taxes (and potentially still make a small profit). That is until you get found out.
And here I thought we were arguing on different sides...Still, EA loves "everyone does it anyway." Even when they don't. You know what I'm talking about, right?veloper said:Yes, but it also illustrates the kind of "everyone does it anyway" excuse the Origin apologizers are using.leet_x1337 said:That is kind of breaking the law, though...He'd probably be lucky just to get away with losing his games...veloper said:There was one case in recent memory, but that one involved tax evasion and many angry people just hadn't figured out was really going on. Still it caused a bit of stir a while back.
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/fk90z/steam_support_bans_my_account_for_gifting/
You can get banned if you "gift" european "friends" games in exchange for money (through paypal or otherwise).
Companies delivering to European customers need to pay VAT to european countries, which is a kind of tax (varying around 20%), which the company in turn charges the customer over the tiller.
Valve pays the VAT, but some smart individuals found out that you can set up your own american shop within Steam, undercut valve's euro pricing and avoid taxes (and potentially still make a small profit). That is until you get found out.
The Origin game bans are unjustifed even if the users were trolling the forums hard, which is very much in doubt.
Especially when they don't and then boil the frog slowly.leet_x1337 said:And here I thought we were arguing on different sides...Still, EA loves "everyone does it anyway." Even when they don't. You know what I'm talking about, right?veloper said:Yes, but it also illustrates the kind of "everyone does it anyway" excuse the Origin apologizers are using.leet_x1337 said:That is kind of breaking the law, though...He'd probably be lucky just to get away with losing his games...veloper said:There was one case in recent memory, but that one involved tax evasion and many angry people just hadn't figured out was really going on. Still it caused a bit of stir a while back.
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/fk90z/steam_support_bans_my_account_for_gifting/
You can get banned if you "gift" european "friends" games in exchange for money (through paypal or otherwise).
Companies delivering to European customers need to pay VAT to european countries, which is a kind of tax (varying around 20%), which the company in turn charges the customer over the tiller.
Valve pays the VAT, but some smart individuals found out that you can set up your own american shop within Steam, undercut valve's euro pricing and avoid taxes (and potentially still make a small profit). That is until you get found out.
The Origin game bans are unjustifed even if the users were trolling the forums hard, which is very much in doubt.
Wait, what? I was thinking of Dragon Age 2 and the thing with the Metacritic user reviews which were all by Bioware employees who created accounts specifically to praise Dragon Age 2 (and then blast The Witcher 2, even after they were all doxed.) What's a frog got to do with it?veloper said:Especially when they don't and then boil the frog slowly.leet_x1337 said:And here I thought we were arguing on different sides...Still, EA loves "everyone does it anyway." Even when they don't. You know what I'm talking about, right?veloper said:Yes, but it also illustrates the kind of "everyone does it anyway" excuse the Origin apologizers are using.leet_x1337 said:That is kind of breaking the law, though...He'd probably be lucky just to get away with losing his games...veloper said:There was one case in recent memory, but that one involved tax evasion and many angry people just hadn't figured out was really going on. Still it caused a bit of stir a while back.
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/fk90z/steam_support_bans_my_account_for_gifting/
You can get banned if you "gift" european "friends" games in exchange for money (through paypal or otherwise).
Companies delivering to European customers need to pay VAT to european countries, which is a kind of tax (varying around 20%), which the company in turn charges the customer over the tiller.
Valve pays the VAT, but some smart individuals found out that you can set up your own american shop within Steam, undercut valve's euro pricing and avoid taxes (and potentially still make a small profit). That is until you get found out.
The Origin game bans are unjustifed even if the users were trolling the forums hard, which is very much in doubt.
It's a metaphor for how the decline got worse gradually. Slowly enough so as not to backfire with a sharp loss in sales. 10 years ago gamers would not have put up with all the DRM crap and only a troll would defend something like the origin bans.leet_x1337 said:Wait, what? I was thinking of Dragon Age 2 and the thing with the Metacritic user reviews which were all by Bioware employees who created accounts specifically to praise Dragon Age 2 (and then blast The Witcher 2, even after they were all doxed.) What's a frog got to do with it?veloper said:Especially when they don't and then boil the frog slowly.leet_x1337 said:And here I thought we were arguing on different sides...Still, EA loves "everyone does it anyway." Even when they don't. You know what I'm talking about, right?veloper said:Yes, but it also illustrates the kind of "everyone does it anyway" excuse the Origin apologizers are using.leet_x1337 said:That is kind of breaking the law, though...He'd probably be lucky just to get away with losing his games...veloper said:There was one case in recent memory, but that one involved tax evasion and many angry people just hadn't figured out was really going on. Still it caused a bit of stir a while back.
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/fk90z/steam_support_bans_my_account_for_gifting/
You can get banned if you "gift" european "friends" games in exchange for money (through paypal or otherwise).
Companies delivering to European customers need to pay VAT to european countries, which is a kind of tax (varying around 20%), which the company in turn charges the customer over the tiller.
Valve pays the VAT, but some smart individuals found out that you can set up your own american shop within Steam, undercut valve's euro pricing and avoid taxes (and potentially still make a small profit). That is until you get found out.
The Origin game bans are unjustifed even if the users were trolling the forums hard, which is very much in doubt.
I suppose the problem, then, is that we're all stupid. Having to take every new game right away, without even caring who made it or what ridiculous things they put in as long as we get to see if Commander Shepard saves the galaxy or fails his mission...veloper said:It's a metaphor for how the decline got worse gradually. Slowly enough so as not to backfire with a sharp loss in sales. 10 years ago gamers would not have put up with all the DRM crap and only a troll would defend something like the origin bans.leet_x1337 said:Wait, what? I was thinking of Dragon Age 2 and the thing with the Metacritic user reviews which were all by Bioware employees who created accounts specifically to praise Dragon Age 2 (and then blast The Witcher 2, even after they were all doxed.) What's a frog got to do with it?veloper said:Especially when they don't and then boil the frog slowly.