Why do people still care about PC vs. Console? I don't see the big deal. As long you're having fun, what does it matter what platform it's on?
I am not debating DX11 is an improvement (technically you can do all the same things with DX9 but DX11 is more efficient, therefore allowing better details without needing a supercomputer). I was just stating DX10 did close to nothing, and what it did do were pretty much ignored by developers.Xzi said:DirectX 10 wasn't all that great, no, but DirectX 11 is far better than DX9 was. A lot more efficient, better lighting, tessellation, all that good stuff.
This is the right mentality to have, I'd say.Ham_authority95 said:Why do people still care about PC vs. Console? I don't see the big deal. As long you're having fun, what does it matter what platform it's on?
Well, if you have money invested in a platform and someone makes incorrect statements, you probably want to correct them. If you allow incorrect statements to propagate as truth (which it seems has happened with many people's view on PC gaming), then it can reduce the user base. That leads to fewer games and of course fewer people to play against in multi player.Ham_authority95 said:Why do people still care about PC vs. Console? I don't see the big deal. As long you're having fun, what does it matter what platform it's on?
You have pretty much the same issues on PC. Steam will only sell you the 'cut' version in Germany. DLC is often incompatible between different retailers. And which language a game supports is kind of a game of luck and information on that is often unreliable.teebeeohh said:so i own a PS3 and before i buy a game i have to make sure that it is
a) uncut
b) have both English and German as a language(or at least German subs)
c) if i buy games from outside Germany that i can buy DLC from the German PSN and play multiplayer
when i have the game before starting i usually have to update at least once and/or install stuff to bring loading times to a level i ca live with.
That is indeed a complete mess.then i have to hope i can switch the functions for the shoulder buttons because for some reason most ps3 games put shooting and aiming on the L1 and R1 which sucks.
The problem with that level of fine tuning is that it would make it to easy to build configurations that result in playability issue. If you map X to fire and the game gives you a flamethrower that requires using the right stick and fire at the same time you have a problem, as you can't use both at once when fire is on X. You would also need to build the whole GUI flexible enough to adjust to the changed mapping and not display all the old default ones (something a lot of PC games fail at). Essentially fully input configuration would cause a whole lot of trouble, that would require quite a bit of effort to sort out in such a way that is acceptable for the experience that people expect from a console, thus you almost never see it outside of fighting games.then i have to get used a control scheme that i can't change, just sometimes fine-tune. Why is that? shouldn't i be able to use the x-button to fire if i want to?
Tweaking on PC to me feels more like sadomasochism and I am really not into that kind of stuff =;-)It still might be easier but i grew up with PCs so tweaking stuff before actually playing the game is like foreplay for me.
PC all the way, but it is a personal choice.Eggsnham said:Snip
BUT i can just download a language packet on the PC, in most cases that is really easy, everything (not cut) on steam and every bioware game give you the easy option to download whatever language you like and avoiding the cut version on steam is as easy as buying a game from the UK and using that code for steam activation and at least i never had problems with DLC in that case, but i know other people who have so maybe i am just lucky.grumbel said:You have pretty much the same issues on PC. Steam will only sell you the 'cut' version in Germany. DLC is often incompatible between different retailers. And which language a game supports is kind of a game of luck and information on that is often unreliable.
Many reasons. If you want a psychological one, look up "cognitive dissonance", which is quite an interesting topic. Essentially having made a wrong decision (such as buying an expensive gamer PC ;-) leads people not to accept their mistake and correct it, but results in them searching for validation of their decision and paradoxically going even further down that route (i.e. they might classify themselves as "PC gamer" as its ok for a "PC gamer" to buy an expensive PC, while it might not seem Ok for just a casual gamer). This of course does not apply to all, but certainly quite a few taking part in those discussions.Ham_authority95 said:Why do people still care about PC vs. Console? I don't see the big deal. As long you're having fun, what does it matter what platform it's on?
Agreed. In the long run not having XP compatibility may have been a wise move, but in this case the "long run" is DX11, it utterly crushed DX10. But in retrospect I think Microsoft actually expected all of this - I think one of the reasons DX10 wasn't a massive upgrade was because MS knew it wouldn't have widespread support. When the next XBox is announced chances are DX11 will be a prominent feature (if not in name, at least graphical capabilities).scott91575 said:I was just stating DX10 did close to nothing, and what it did do were pretty much ignored by developers.
Sorry, no. That's not what I'm talking about. When I mentioned "older titles" I meant within the same console as my point was about software changes with the same hardware.scott91575 said:So you can put Nintendo 64 games in a Wii and it plays great? That is essentially what we are talking about.-Dragmire- said:I think the "constant upgrading" is not as much a problem as upgrading the OS(thankfully it doesn't happen often) and hoping for someone to make a patch/steps to go through for a game who's creators no longer exist so it works with your system so you can play them again.
To my knowledge, no console firmware(I know it's not the same) update will stop you from playing older titles. Although, you may find your alternative operating system may not work after you accepted the terms/conditions that came with the firmware update with or without reading them...
Alright, I'll give you this one. I took a cheap shot at the OS without explaining what screwed the programs so much. When I changed my OS, I changed from a 32bit XP to a 64bit Vista. While there was a 64bit version for XP, it's use wasn't widespread enough at the time to cause an issue with too many people. When people began to adopt the 64bit systems (and Vista which to some people is the "worst OS Microsoft could have ever made". Win 2000/Win ME had similar complaints), many programs weren't able to communicate with the OS properly. So for the first year or so, there were quick fixes/hot-fixes/patches/updates until we got to the point where all the older programs have a 32bit emulation mode.I don't know of a single PC game launched in the same time frame of the current consoles that has been ruined by newer operating systems.
Just to be clear as it seems I've been forcefully thrown into the "consoles are better" camp, I favor no 'side' and my point in that quote was merely a reference to annoying issues I had when changing my OS that was never an issue in a console firmware update. It was never about having better backwards compatibility on consoles because that would be an absolutely retarded argument to make.jason27131 said:The games you're talking about are at least 6 or more years old. So let me riddle you this. Can you play Xbox games on the newest Xbox 360 if you were to buy one?-Dragmire- said:snip
Then there are the console gamers that try to justify what they truly know to be an inferior system by spreading propaganda as to why a console is better when none of the reasons truly are console exclusive and cant be done on a PC. Wich is usualy the people that start threads of PC V. console. example this thread.grumbel said:Many reasons. If you want a psychological one, look up "cognitive dissonance", which is quite an interesting topic. Essentially having made a wrong decision (such as buying an expensive gamer PC ;-) leads people not to accept their mistake and correct it, but results in them searching for validation of their decision and paradoxically going even further down that route (i.e. they might classify themselves as "PC gamer" as its ok for a "PC gamer" to buy an expensive PC, while it might not seem Ok for just a casual gamer). This of course does not apply to all, but certainly quite a few taking part in those discussions.Ham_authority95 said:Why do people still care about PC vs. Console? I don't see the big deal. As long you're having fun, what does it matter what platform it's on?
Another reason is simply that the whole PC vs console stuff actually matters these days. It is no longer just about "us" vs "them", but about mainstream PC game development moving over to consoles and making the PC just a platform for ports. Essentially, PC gaming as it used to be is kind of dieing out and getting consolified along the way. So it's kind of self defense.
Several of the posts on this thread, notably on this page address the issue of price. Specifically about how PC costs a lot and need to be upgraded. Another issues I've seen is about Mods on PC games. I've seen more then a few arguments that assert that PCs are better because of the mouse and keyboard which makes games like RTSs easier to control. Another person notes that PCs have more difficulty with getting games to run due to software and hardware differences. Another person asserts that PC games are better because they aren't limited by hardware i.e. you can change the hardware and improve your PC easily.zehydra said:an example?Twilight_guy said:No. That's not true. I can guarantee its not true because there are arguments over the subject that revolve around other topics. I think the reason is more psychological and harder to grasp then a single issue. (This also only explains PC gamers hate, not console gamer hate).zehydra said:What drives the feud now, is the issue of developers making the majority of their games for consoles, and leaving the PC gamers behind with a Console-port version of the game.Twilight_guy said:It's my opinion that creating an argument based on the arbitrary differences between the two is like starting an augment on whither Superman or Batman is better. Why does there need to be an argument? Why can't we just be happy with it. What drives such a silly feud? I don't understand this at all. On a side note, I appreciate your opinions and idea but starting any thread that attempts to discuss the issue always ends in tears, unfortunately.
Wow, I have both and I must say your statement is incredibly incorrect. If you are at 80%, I am pretty sure that is user error. In the last 4 years I can only think of one game I had trouble getting to work correctly, and I have 40+ PC games. As for patches, yeah, PC has them. So does XBox.RadioactiveMicrobe said:I have both Xbox and PC.
I prefer the Xbox for the games it has, and the use of controllers, and the easy use of support.
What I mean is, you buy a game for Xbox and pop it in.
PC = Buying it, possibly waiting for it to download, waiting for it to install, attempting to play it, get angry that it doesn't work, read through online forums, try automatics patches, realize that the automatic patches didn't work, attempt to manually patch it, get angry that that doesn't solve the problem, try about 4 other methods described on forums, get it to kind of work, get sick of trying, and just be happy with a game that 80% works.
well, yes, they are. But you have to understand that having better/different controls or the cost of either isn't a big enough issue to fuel the discussion itself. The (unsaid) argument has become this, "which is better?". What you have described are responses to the question "which is better", not reasons for asking, "which is better".Twilight_guy said:Several of the posts on this thread, notably on this page address the issue of price. Specifically about how PC costs a lot and need to be upgraded. Another issues I've seen is about Mods on PC games. I've seen more then a few arguments that assert that PCs are better because of the mouse and keyboard which makes games like RTSs easier to control. Another person notes that PCs have more difficulty with getting games to run due to software and hardware differences. Another person asserts that PC games are better because they aren't limited by hardware i.e. you can change the hardware and improve your PC easily.zehydra said:an example?Twilight_guy said:No. That's not true. I can guarantee its not true because there are arguments over the subject that revolve around other topics. I think the reason is more psychological and harder to grasp then a single issue. (This also only explains PC gamers hate, not console gamer hate).zehydra said:What drives the feud now, is the issue of developers making the majority of their games for consoles, and leaving the PC gamers behind with a Console-port version of the game.Twilight_guy said:It's my opinion that creating an argument based on the arbitrary differences between the two is like starting an augment on whither Superman or Batman is better. Why does there need to be an argument? Why can't we just be happy with it. What drives such a silly feud? I don't understand this at all. On a side note, I appreciate your opinions and idea but starting any thread that attempts to discuss the issue always ends in tears, unfortunately.
Just glaceing through some of these other posts there are a variety of arguments that extend beyond issue of games and ports. I think you can agree that people are thinking about more then just what developers are developing on.